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Is there really a God? How would you answer?

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Is there really a God? How would you answer?
Far from being a blind faith, Christianity can be logically defended.


First published:
Creation 20(3):32–34
June 1998
by Ken Ham
source: answersingenesis.org


In our everyday experience, just about everything seems to have a beginning. In fact, the laws of science show that even things which look the same through our lifetime, like the sun and other stars, are running down. The sun is using up its fuel at millions of tonnes each second—since, therefore, it cannot last forever, it had to have a beginning. The same can be shown to be true for the entire universe.
So when Christians claim that the God of the Bible created the entire universe, some will ask what seems a logical question, namely ‘Where did God come from?’

The Bible makes it clear in many places that God is outside of time. He is eternal, with no beginning or end—He is infinite! He also knows all things, being infinitely intelligent.<sup>1</sup>

Is this logical? Can modern science allow for such a notion? And how could you recognize the evidence for an intelligent Creator?

Recognizing intelligence

Scientists get excited about finding stone tools in a cave because these speak of intelligence—a tool maker. They could not have designed themselves. Neither would anyone believe that the carved Presidents’ heads on Mt Rushmore were the product of millions of years of chance erosion. We can recognize design—the evidence of the outworkings of intelligence—in the man-made objects all around us.

Similarly, in William Paley’s famous argument, a watch implies a watchmaker.<sup>2</sup> Today, however, a large proportion of people, including many leading scientists, believe that all plants and animals, including the incredibly complex brains of the people who make watches, motor cars, etc., were not designed by an intelligent God but rather came from an unintelligent evolutionary process. But is this a defensible position?

Design in living things

Molecular biologist Dr Michael Denton, writing as an agnostic, concluded:
‘Alongside the level of ingenuity and complexity exhibited by the molecular machinery of life, even our most advanced [twentieth century technology appears] clumsy … . It would be an illusion to think that what we are aware of at present is any more than a fraction of the full extent of biological design. In practically every field of fundamental biological research ever-increasing levels of design and complexity are being revealed at an ever-accelerating rate.’<sup>3</sup>
The world-renowned crusader for Darwinism and atheism, Prof. Richard Dawkins, states:
‘We have seen that living things are too improbable and too beautifully “designed” to have come into existence by chance.’<sup>4</sup>
Thus, even the most ardent atheist concedes that design is all around us. To a Christian, the design we see all around us is totally consistent with the Bible’s explanation that God created all.
However, evolutionists like Dawkins reject the idea of a Designer. He comments (emphasis added):
All appearance to the contrary, the only watchmaker in nature is the blind forces of physics, albeit deployed in a very special way. A true watchmaker has foresight: he designs his cogs and springs, and plans their interconnections, with future purpose in his mind’s eye. Natural selection, the blind, unconscious, automatic process which Darwin discovered, and which we now know is the explanation for the existence and apparently purposeful form of all life, has no purpose in mind … . It has no mind … . It does not plan for the future … it is the blind watchmaker.’<sup>5</sup>
Selection and design

Life is built on information, contained in that molecule of heredity, DNA. Dawkins believes that natural selection<sup>6</sup> and mutations (blind, purposeless copying mistakes in this DNA) together provide the mechanism for producing the vast amounts of information responsible for the design in living things.<sup>7</sup>

Natural selection is a logical process that can be observed. However, selection can only operate on the information already contained in genes—it does not produce new information.<sup>8</sup> Actually, this is consistent with the Bible’s account of origins; God created distinct kinds of animals and plants, each to reproduce after its own kind.

One can observe great variation in a kind, and see the results of natural selection. For instance, dingoes, wolves, and coyotes have developed over time as a result of natural selection operating on the information in the genes of the wolf/dog kind.

But no new information was produced—these varieties have resulted from rearrangement, and sorting out, of the information in the original dog kind. One kind has never been observed to change into a totally different kind with new information that previously did not exist!

Without a way to increase information, natural selection will not work as a mechanism for evolution. Evolutionists agree with this, but they believe that mutations somehow provide the new information for natural selection to act upon.

Can mutations produce new information?

Actually, it is now clear that the answer is no! Dr Lee Spetner, a highly qualified scientist who taught information and communication theory at Johns Hopkins University, makes this abundantly clear in his recent book:
‘In this chapter I’ll bring several examples of evolution, [i.e., instances alleged to be examples of evolution] particularly mutations, and show that information is not increased … But in all the reading I’ve done in the life-sciences literature, I’ve never found a mutation that added information.<sup>9</sup>
‘All point mutations that have been studied on the molecular level turn out to reduce the genetic information and not to increase it.<sup>10</sup>

‘The NDT [neo-Darwinian theory] is supposed to explain how the information of life has been built up by evolution. The essential biological difference between a human and a bacterium is in the information they contain. All other biological differences follow from that. The human genome has much more information than does the bacterial genome. Information cannot be built up by mutations that lose it. A business can’t make money by losing it a little at a time.’<sup>11</sup>
Evolutionary scientists have no way around the conclusions that many scientists, including Dr Spetner, have come to. Mutations do not work as a mechanism to fuel the evolutionary process.

More problems!

Scientists have found that within the cell, there are thousands of what can be called ‘biochemical machines.’ All of their parts have to be in place simultaneously or the cell can’t function. Things which were thought to be simple mechanisms, such as being able to sense light and turn it into electrical impulses, are in fact highly complicated.

Since life is built on these ‘machines,’ the idea that natural processes could have made a living system is untenable. Biochemist Dr Michael Behe uses the term ‘irreducible complexity’ in describing such biochemical ‘machines.’
‘… systems of horrendous, irreducible complexity inhabit the cell. The resulting realization that life was designed by an intelligence is a shock to us in the twentieth century who have gotten used to thinking of life as the result of simple natural laws. But other centuries have had their shocks, and there is no reason to suppose that we should escape them.’<sup>12</sup>
Richard Dawkins recognizes this problem of needing ‘machinery’ to start with when he states:
‘The theory of the blind watchmaker is extremely powerful given that we are allowed to assume replication and hence cumulative selection. But if replication needs complex machinery, since the only way we know for complex machinery ultimately to come into existence is cumulative selection, we have a problem.’<sup>13</sup>
A problem indeed! The more we look into the workings of life, the more complicated it gets, and the more we see that life could notarise by itself. Not only is a source of information needed, but the complex ‘machines’ of the chemistry of life need to be in existence right from the start!

A greater problem still!

Some still try to insist that the machinery of the first cell could have arisen by pure chance. For instance, they say, by randomly drawing alphabet letters in sequence from a hat, sometimes you will get a simple word like ‘BAT.’<sup>14</sup> So given long time periods, why couldn’t even more complex information arise by chance?

However, what would the word ‘BAT’ mean to a German or Chinese speaker? The point is that an order of letters is meaningless unless there is a language convention and a translation system in place which makes it meaningful!
In a cell, there is such a system (other molecules) that makes the order on the DNA meaningful. DNA without the language/translation system is meaningless, and these systems without the DNA wouldn’t work either.
The other complication is that the translation machinery which reads the order of the ‘letters’ in the DNA is itself specified by the DNA! This is another one of those ‘machines’ that needs to be fully-formed or life won’t work.

Can information arise from non-information?

Dr Werner Gitt, Director and Professor at the German Federal Institute of Physics and Technology, makes it clear that one of the things we know absolutely for sure from science, is that information cannot arise from disorder by chance. It always takes (greater) information to produce information, and ultimately information is the result of intelligence:
‘A code system is always the result of a mental process (it requires an intelligent origin or inventor) … It should be emphasized that matter as such is unable to generate any code. All experiences indicate that a thinking being voluntarily exercising his own free will, cognition, and creativity, is required.<sup>15</sup>

‘There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to information, neither is any physical process or material phenomenon known that can do this.’<sup>16</sup>
What is the source of the information?

We can therefore deduce that the huge amount of information in living things must originally have come from an intelligence, which had to have been far superior to ours, as scientists are revealing every day. But then, some will say that such a source would have to be caused by something with even greater information/intelligence.

However, if they reason like this, one could ask where this greater information/intelligence came from? And then where did that one come from … one could extrapolate to infinity, for ever, unless …

Unless there was a source of infinite intelligence, beyond our finite understanding. But isn’t this what the Bible indicates when we read, ‘In the beginning God …’? The God of the Bible is an infinite being not bound by limitations of time, space, knowledge, or anything else.

So which is the logically defensible position?—that matter eternally existed (or came into existence by itself for no reason), and then by itself arranged itself into information systems against everything observed in real science? Or that a being with infinite intelligence,<sup>17</sup> created information systems for life to exist, agreeing with real science?
The answer seems obvious, so why don’t all intelligent scientists accept this? Michael Behe answers:
‘Many people, including many important and well-respected scientists, just don’t want there to be anything beyond nature. They don’t want a supernatural being to affect nature, no matter how brief or constructive the interaction may have been. In other words … they bring an a priori philosophical commitment to their science that restricts what kinds of explanations they will accept about the physical world. Sometimes this leads to rather odd behavior.’<sup>18</sup>
The crux of the matter is this: If one accepts there is a God who created us, then that God also owns us. He thus has a right to set the rules by which we must live. In the Bible, He has revealed to us that we are in rebellion against our Creator. Because of this rebellion called sin, our physical bodies are sentenced to death—but we will live on, either with God, or without Him in a place of judgment.

But the good news is that our Creator provided, through the cross of Jesus Christ, a means of deliverance for our sin of rebellion, so that those who come to Him in faith, in repentance for their sin, can receive the forgiveness of a Holy God and spend forever with their Lord.

So who created God?

By definition, an infinite, eternal being has always existed—no one created God. He is the self-existing one—the great ‘I am’ of the Bible.<sup>19</sup> He is outside of time—in fact, He created time.
You might say, ‘But that means I have to accept this by faith, as I can’t understand it.’

We read in the book of Hebrews, ‘But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him’ (Hebrews 11:6).
But this is not blind faith, as some think. In fact, the evolutionists who deny God have a blind faith—they have to believe something that is against real science—namely, that information can arise from disorder by chance.
The Christian faith is not a blind faith—it is a logically defensible faith. This is why the Bible makes it clear that anyone who does not believe in God is without excuse:
‘For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse’ (Romans 1:20).
 
Is there really a God? How would you answer?
Howdy Chad!

This is a very powerful question. The first thought would be to show them the Holy Word of God. Specifically, God's plan of Salvation. But, for some people, They need something more than just God's plan. What would that be?

Quite simply, Just giving them my personal Testimony of what God has done in my life. Generally speaking, When people have a "landmark" to view, They will be more willing to listen.

When a Christian can show someone who does not believe in Jesus Christ, What God has done in their life, in my honest opinion, God will use your Testimony to bring them to Christ. See John 12:32.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Your life can be the most powerful witness to those people who do not know Christ. And, There are times, When you will not have to say a word. Just Live the Holy Word of God in front of them demonstrating the Fruit of the Spirit in all things that you say and do. Galatians 5:22-23.

Thanks for the question. God Bless You!
 
Howdy Chad!

This is a very powerful question. The first thought would be to show them the Holy Word of God. Specifically, God's plan of Salvation. But, for some people, They need something more than just God's plan. What would that be?

Quite simply, Just giving them my personal Testimony of what God has done in my life. Generally speaking, When people have a "landmark" to view, They will be more willing to listen.

When a Christian can show someone who does not believe in Jesus Christ, What God has done in their life, in my honest opinion, God will use your Testimony to bring them to Christ. See John 12:32.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Your life can be the most powerful witness to those people who do not know Christ. And, There are times, When you will not have to say a word. Just Live the Holy Word of God in front of them demonstrating the Fruit of the Spirit in all things that you say and do. Galatians 5:22-23.

Thanks for the question. God Bless You!

I don't need to prove God's existence. I know he exists. I also know that every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess, that Jesus Christ is Lord.

So all I have to do is wait for every knee to bow and every tongue to confess. At that point in time, they will believe there is a God - and the argument about His existence and divinity and power will be resolved then -no work involved on my part :)
 
To provide substantial evidence of the existence of God, one would have to look beyond the churches. Fields, such as astronomy, cosmology, and physics, when examined with an open mind, can provide a solid foundation for believing in a Creator. For example, what made life possible on the earth ? From the book Is there a Creator Who Cares About You ?, it said that our distance from the sun is critical. Astronomer John Barrow, currently at Cambridge University, and mathematician Frank Tippler of Tulane University, studied "the ratio of the Earth's radius and distance from the Sun." They concluded that human life would not exist "were this ratio slightly different from what it is observed to be."

Professor David L. Block noted that "calculations show that had the earth been situated only 5 per cent closer to the sun, a runaway greenhouse effect [overheating of the earth] would have occurred about 4000 million years ago. If, on the other hand, the earth were placed only 1 per cent further from the sun, runaway glaciation [ huge sheets of ice covering much of globe] would have occurred some 2000 million years ago."(Our Universe: Accident or Design ?)

In addition, one can add the fact that earth rotates on it's axis once a day, at the right speed to produce moderate temperatures that most can enjoy. Venus, on the other hand, takes 243 days to rotate. If the earth took that long, there would be a problem with extremely hot days that would almost be unbearable and extremely cold nights that would literally freeze us. Conversely, if not just the rotation but days were shorter, perhaps just a few hours long, earth's rapid spin would cause relentless gale-force winds and other harmful effects.

Another vital detail is our earth's path around the sun. Comets have a wide elliptic path. We should be thankful that this is not the case for the earth, for it's orbit is almost circular. Thus prevents us from experiencing death-dealing extremes of temperatures.

Nor should we ignore the location of our solar system, some 28,000 light years from the center of the Milky Way galaxy. Were we nearer to the center of the Milky Way galaxy, the gravitational effect of neighboring stars would distort the orbit of the earth. Our solar system's location or "address", called by scientists the galactic habitable zone, contains just the right concentrations of the chemical elements to support life. Farther out, those elements are too scarce; farther in, it is too dangerous because of the greater abundance of potentially lethal radiation. Scientific American magazine (2001) said that "We live in prime real estate".

What about the earth itself ? Because the earth is about 93 million miles from the sun, this orbit is in what scientist call the circumstellar habitable zone, where life neither freezes nor fries. Moreover, earth's path around the sun is almost circular, keeping us roughly the same distance year-round.

Furthermore, were the earth situated at the very edge of our galaxy, the night sky would be all but devoid of stars. Starlight is not essential to life, but does it not add great beauty to our night sky ? And based on current concepts of the universe, scientists have calculated that at the edges of the Milky Way, there would not have been enough of the needed chemical elements to form a solar system like ours.

What about our moon ? If one had to chose a "next-door neighbor" for the earth, the moon could not be better. Why ? It's diameter measures just over a quarter of the earth's. Thus, when compared with other moons in our solar system, our moon is unusually large in relation to it's host planet. Was this by coincidence ?

Because of the moon's size, it is the principal cause of ocean tides, which play a vital role in our earth's ecology.The moon also contributes to earth's stable axis spin. Without the moon, our planet would wobble like a spinning top, perhaps even tipping right over and turning on it's side, as much as 85 degrees. The resulting climatic, tidal, and other changes would be catastrophic.

Earth's tilt of 23.5 degrees causes the annual cycle of seasons, moderates temperatures, and enables a wide range of climatic zones. The book Rare Earth - Why Complex Life Is Uncommon in the Universe stated: "Our planet's tilt axis seems to be ' just right.' "

Hence, from earth's perfect "address" to it's rate of spin to it's lunar neighbor, gives evidence of thoughtful design by a Creator. Says physicist and evolutionist Paul Davies: "Even atheistic scientists will wax lyrical about the scale, the majesty, the harmony, the elegance, the sheer ingenuity of the universe."

Thus, did our earth come about by chance? Or is this evidence of design?
 
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Here is some evidence of God's existence to consider that our senses can detect.

Consider: Your tongue—as well as other parts of your mouth and throat—includes clusters of skin cells called taste buds. Many are located within papillae on the surface of the tongue. A taste bud contains up to a hundred receptor cells, each of which can detect one of four types of taste—sour, salty, sweet, or bitter. Spicy is in a different category altogether. Spices stimulate pain receptors—not taste buds! In any event, taste-receptor cells are connected to sensory nerves that, when stimulated by chemicals in food, instantly transmit signals to the lower brain stem.

Taste, however, involves more than your mouth. The five million odor receptors in your nose—which allow you to detect some 10,000 unique odors—play a vital role in the tasting process. It has been estimated that about 75 percent of what we call taste is actually the result of what we smell.

Scientists have developed an electrochemical nose that uses chemical gas sensors as an artificial olfaction device. Nevertheless, neurophysiologist John Kauer, quoted in Research/Penn State, notes: “Any artificial device is going to be extremely simplistic in comparison to the biology, which is wonderfully elegant and sophisticated.”

Did our sense of taste come about by chance? Or is this evidence of design?

The Wonder of Human Touch: The human hand has a particularly refined sense of touch. According to Smithsonian magazine, researchers found that our hand can detect a dot just three microns high. (A human hair has a diameter of 50 to 100 microns.) However, by “using a texture rather than a dot, the researchers found the hand can detect roughness just 75 nanometers high”—a nanometer being one thousandth of a micron! Such remarkable sensitivity is attributed to about 2,000 touch receptors in each fingertip.

Our sense of touch also plays a key role in our health and well-being. “The caress of another person releases hormones that can ease pain and clear the mind,” says U.S.News & World Report. Some believe that when a child is deprived of the loving touch of others, its growth will be impeded.

Did our sense of touch come about by chance? Or is this evidence of design?
 
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This is all good stuff, and good to know.

We have a Sunday evening t.v. programme entitled 'Songs of Praise' I record it because we are away at our own church.

Last Sunday the programme came from Shrewsbury, the city of Darwin's birth. Many of the educated folks teaching in the Colleges in Shrewsbury took the time, between the hymn singing at various churches, to make the point that Darwin was not anti-Christian, and at the time of writing 'The Origin of Species' was himself a Christian. He fell away from the faith in later life, but this was entirely unrelated to his writings, and discoveries.

The Darwinian scientists were saying that Darwin's theories had in modern days been blown out of all proportion, and been used to teach something Darwin had never intended. It was not Darwin's intent to oppose the biblical story of Creation.

The scientist's in the High Education Halls and such in Shrewsbury, were proud to relate to Darwin, and also to say they saw no conflict between their Christian belief and the discoveries of Darwin.

The greatest 'proof' of Deity and Jesus is the personal testimony, of what Jesus has done in our lives.

In the church at Bethany in scripture, there was a man named Lazarus, Jesus had raised him from the dead. He had a testimony.
The Jews came from miles around to hear his testimony

All who have met Jesus....have a testimony
 
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a point to ponder.

whats the root word of creature? (isnt that deeply ingrained in our language.)
 
Atheists do not accept the Bible as "evidence" of a Creator or Intelligent Design. Rather, for someone to persuade these persons to come to recognize that there is a Creator, often times material evidence needs to be provided, evidence that can be seen and reasoned on, and a logical conclusion can be drawn, just as at a court case, whereby evidence is brought forth for the jury to deliberate on and render a verdict.

Using the Bible with such ones will, at times, cause these to turn more away from the Bible. These have already seen the hypocrisy in the churches, becoming either agnostic or atheistic. Ironically, a leading cause of atheism is religion. Historian Alister McGrath explains: "What propels people toward atheism is above all a sense of revulsion against the excesses and failures of organized religion."

Religion is often seen as a factor behind wars and violence. An atheist and philosopher named Michel Onfray mused on how it is possible that the same religious book could inspire two types of men, one "aspiring to saintliness," the other "carrying out an act of inhuman cruelty" - terrorism.

In fact, church dogma may have helped prepare the way for the theory of evolution. According to Alister McGrath, it was Darwin's "visceral distaste" for the doctrine of hellfire - not his belief in evolution - that raised doubts in his mind about the existence of God. McGrath also notes Darwin's "deep grief over the death of his daughter" in 1851 at the age of ten.

To work at convincing anyone, it is necessary to lay out before them evidence that they accept, providing questions to help them ponder on and draw the conclusion that what exists could not have come about by accident or randomly, but is a result of Grand Designer whose everlasting purpose is seen only in the Bible, as at Isaiah 45:18, which says: "For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the true God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else."
 
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Atheists do not accept the Bible as "evidence" of a Creator or Intelligent Design. Rather, for someone to persuade these persons to come to recognize that there is a Creator, often times material evidence needs to be provided, evidence that can be seen and reasoned on, and a logical conclusion can be drawn, just as at a court case, whereby evidence is brought forth for the jury to deliberate on and render a verdict.


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if they want material evidence then ask them this question. when you have done good or bad and you get that "feeling" in your chest down into your stomach of warmth or dread what physical organ is that? what could it possibly be since the area encompasses many physical organs? then explain to them how we exsist in two worlds at one time. and maybe a bit of genisis and 1 chapter of john. even if they dont get it right then the seeds will be planted.
 
My mother in law was an atheist...after we went through all the blue in the face things...I simply said, and one day you too will confess He is Lord, even if you don't want to after this life.
While she was on her death bed, the hospital Pastor came and was praying with her and she was nodding answers to him, in regards to wanting to pray for forgiveness and her daughter that she raised to be an atheist had him thrown from the room. Sure hope that was enough.
 
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