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Is Yeshua/Jesus lower than the angels?

Kinjaffa

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As believers we should all understand the tri-unity of YHVH; Father, Son, Holy Spirt. Today I was reading the book of Hebrews and I noted something that was just plain....weird.

Hebrews 2:9 the author says that Yeshua is lower than the angels.

"What we do see is Yeshua, who was given a position “a little lower than the angels”; and because he suffered death for us, he is now “crowned with glory and honor.” Yes, by God’s grace, Jesus tasted death for everyone."

It is my understanding that the author of the book of Hebrews is unknown. Why is this author claiming that Yeshua, the Son, is lower than the angels?!? I am 110% sure that He is not lower than the angels.

In Psalms 8:4-5 David says that mere mortals are lower than angels.

"What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour."

Any thoughts?
 
As believers we should all understand the tri-unity of YHVH; Father, Son, Holy Spirt. Today I was reading the book of Hebrews and I noted something that was just plain....weird.

Hebrews 2:9 the author says that Yeshua is lower than the angels.

"What we do see is Yeshua, who was given a position “a little lower than the angels”; and because he suffered death for us, he is now “crowned with glory and honor.” Yes, by God’s grace, Jesus tasted death for everyone."

hello

He was made lower than angels (that is when he become a human).

But not so anymore as Jesus has ascended back to heaven.
 
But even as a man, wasn't he still God? If so, then he was most certainly above the angels.
 
Dear Kinjaffa.

Yes Kinjaffa Jesus Christ was both Divine and man at the same time.
If you read the following I think this will provide an adequate description of the process.

"5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,

6 who, although He existed in the form of God,did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,

10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:5-11, NASB)
 
Further Kinjaffa.

From Philippians we understand that Jesus emptied himself once He was in the form of man. This process was a divine act. Do we understand this? Not at all. We can only know what we are told.

Many aspects of God we do not understand. It is through revelation that the scriptures are obtained. Human reason plays a very small role. So if you do not fully understand some aspect of God' nature you are not alone.
 
I believe that at the Transfiguration (Mt 12:1-13; Mk 9:2-10; Lk 9:28-36) Peter and John were given a look at Jesus as He would be after He ascended to heaven (Ac 1:9) and reclaimed His deity.

SLE
 
@Kinjaffa: Jesus *is not* lower than the angels. Jesus *is superior* to the angels. Jesus *was lower* than the angels for a very short time, but then resurrected and exalted. Jesus did not cease to be God when he became fully man. (Hebrews 13:8) Also read the surrounding scriptures to help put things in the proper perspective...

In putting everything under him (God), God left nothing that is not subject to him (God). Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him (God). But we do see Jesus (God), who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone. (Hebrews 2:5-9)
 
Jesus' Place

Is God under the law, yet Jesus is born under the law?

But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
(Gal 4:4-5)

Is God merely flesh?

Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
(Heb 2:1-18)

Is God cursed?

And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Gal 3:12-29)

And since Adam is the "figure of He who was to come," than Christ must do the works of salvation according to the precedent of Adam's sin (for both are called the son of God, Luke 3:38), for "as you have judged so shall you be judged."

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
(Rom 5:12-21)

As the Son of God, Christ is held up as a righteous contrast to Adam, who betrayed the Father and led all people through himself toward sin. This far superior glory in Jesus is revealed manifold in His coming in the flesh, as the Son of Man (Adam); avenging Adam’s betrayal of humbling himself to the ways of sin, through Christ humbling Himself to the death of the cross, manifesting the gospel of grace; whereby all in Him are redeemed unto righteousness and holiness unto the LORD! For if Adam, a Son of God, can betray his heritage and nature in God, to rebel and lead all within him unto sin, then Christ, as the Son of Man, contrary to the fallen nature of the flesh, can sanctify unto righteousness all in Him through the gospel of grace!
 
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