Keswick Teaching

[Maureen]

I wonder has anyone heard of this?

I haven't until I came across it in a book I'm reading.
Now the book is about Hudson Taylor I'm sure he's well enough known, a great Missionary to China in the 1800's.

Well this book is written about him but not by him, and this part I mentioned about Keswick Teaching is wrote about, not that Hudson Taylor endorsed it.

A Dr Packer writes, 'Souls that cultivate passivity do not thrive but waste away, (can grasp that ok)
The Christian's motto should NOT be 'Let go and let God' (I have heard this is what we are to do)
But 'trust God and get going' then it goes on to say if you are seeking to form a good habit work out a strategy and ask God's help, and then try YOUR hardest.
To me this reads as if your doing it in your own strength, I know it says 'ask God's help' but it also says try YOUR hardest.

What do you think of this?

Trish,
it was just when you mentioned about leaving it in God's hands brought this back to me. I have always 'left it with Jesus' as He knows better and it took some time to stop taking it back of Him, so I'm wondering about this teaching above, anyone even heard of it?

 

[stephen]

But 'trust God and get going' then it goes on to say if you are seeking to form a good habit work out a strategy and ask God's help, and then try YOUR hardest.
To me this reads as if your doing it in your own strength, I know it says 'ask God's help' but it also says try YOUR hardest.

What do you think of this?

But 'trust God and get going' then it goes on to say if you are seeking to form a good habit work out a strategy and ask God's help, and then try YOUR hardest.

It is a combination of the two. Rather like the bible teaching on 'Faith and Works' Faith, in God of course is the first principle. Then comes action based upon that faith. For "faith without works is dead"

The first step is to trust God. (faith) The second is to get going (action)


Incidently Hudson Taylor was a Yorkshireman, like myself. He live just a few miles from my grandmothers house

 

[Trishann]

Hey Maureen I never heard of the book, sorry.

You know I do believe prayers is putting it into action especially when it is out of one's control. The Lord tells us to pray about everything and so to me
I am doing something the Lord command us to do.

Sorry I really don't understand what is being said but I haven't read the book either.

Your sister in Christ, Trish

 

[Achr]

I think its just another way of saying - God helps those who help themselves.
Some might say that its just the opposite of what the bible tells us, but i believe that the initial initiative has to come form the person in need. Helping means to give assistance, aid, not just leaving the job to someone else. Jesus is NOT our servant.
I have met many who, when confronted with a spiritual problem, try to enter a deprecatory state of consciousness, shut out the cause.
Its easy to run away and hide, however that never solves the problem. Some even go as far as picking out every verse from the bible that mentions escaping or fleeing to avoid consciously dealing with their problems. However in most cases this simply refers to NOT falling into the traps the devil has laid us or avoiding a future in sin. A selective way of thinking(picking out only the thing you want to see) is just one of such traps.
You have been given the armour of God, which helps you stand against the destructive urges of your own mind and any outside influences.
We have to use our free will to serve God, not give it up and rot away in idleness. For that we need to do our best, because its us who serve God, not the other way around.

 

[Maureen]

This also comes along with 'God helps those who helps themselves' it is people will also say, 'The sun shines on the righteous'
but the Bible tells us the opposite is true

Matthew 5 v 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.


Thank you for your input on this subject, I had never heard of Keswick Teaching before.

Stephen, I love the story of Hudson Taylor, and him a Yorkshire man too, he made a great change in China I know that, even adorned their dress and hair style to fit in with them, so he could preach the gospel and they would listen more because this man looked as they did and not foreign, perhaps they would have just dismissed him without a chance had he protrayed the Englishman he was.

Corrir Teen Boon is another of my favourites, but there are so many.

No great men/women of God, just men/women seving a great God.

 

[Trishann]

Hey Maureen I do know about Corrie Ten Boom, outstanding women.
There is another book but I just can't think of the title of it. I think I still have it somewhere, if I do, I have to read it again and tell you about it. It has been such a long time since I read it. One day we was clean ing the house, one of those major cleaning and I found these old books. I gave them to my daughter but I just might have to get her to get them out of the box and look over and see which books I have.

Your sister in Christ, Trish

 

[Trishann]

Oh I believe Corrie Ten Boom book was call the "Hiding Place".
She hided the people to keep them safe.

Your sister in Christ, Trish

 

[Coconut]

"If you are seeking to form a good habit, work out a strategy and ask God's help, and then try YOUR hardest."

I think the author put the caboose ahead of the train.

How about asking God what His strategy is, and then going to work.


Pro 8:34 Blessed is the one who listens to me, watching daily at my gates, waiting beside my doors.

Mat 6:9 Pray then like this: "Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven...

 

[jiggyfly]

I wonder has anyone heard of this?

I haven't until I came across it in a book I'm reading.
Now the book is about Hudson Taylor I'm sure he's well enough known, a great Missionary to China in the 1800's.

Well this book is written about him but not by him, and this part I mentioned about Keswick Teaching is wrote about, not that Hudson Taylor endorsed it.

A Dr Packer writes, 'Souls that cultivate passivity do not thrive but waste away, (can grasp that ok)
The Christian's motto should NOT be 'Let go and let God' (I have heard this is what we are to do)
But 'trust God and get going' then it goes on to say if you are seeking to form a good habit work out a strategy and ask God's help, and then try YOUR hardest.
To me this reads as if your doing it in your own strength, I know it says 'ask God's help' but it also says try YOUR hardest.

What do you think of this?

Trish,
it was just when you mentioned about leaving it in God's hands brought this back to me. I have always 'left it with Jesus' as He knows better and it took some time to stop taking it back of Him, so I'm wondering about this teaching above, anyone even heard of it?

I remember T A Sparks mentioning it in some of his articles, and I believe it has to do with the baptism of HolySpirit and sanctification as a seperate experience from spiritual birth. I think that the Oberlin theology and Charles Finney's teaching were somewhat complimentary to the Keswick teaching and both are considered a form of perfectionism by some conservative reformers. As far as I know the Keswick conventions are still being held today.

 

[stephen]

I remember T A Sparks mentioning it in some of his articles, and I believe it has to do with the baptism of HolySpirit and sanctification as a seperate experience from spiritual birth. I think that the Oberlin theology and Charles Finney's teaching were somewhat complimentary to the Keswick teaching and both are considered a form of perfectionism by some conservative reformers. As far as I know the Keswick conventions are still being held today.

The Keswick Bible Weeks are indeed still being held in the month of July Keswick is a small community, market town in what we call the 'Lake District' in the North West. It is completely taken over during the Bible fortnight

It has attracted all preachers of worth over my lifetime. Billly Graham, Alan Redpath, John Stott, F.B.Meyer, Alex Srcoggie, Skevington Wood to mention a few of my generation mighties.

 

[Maureen]

I really don't get with that way of teaching,

Coconut think you hit the nail on the head
I think the author put the caboose ahead of the train.
How about asking God what His strategy is, and then going to work.

Trisann
another fantasic read is, 'In the presence of my Enemies' by Gracia Burnham.
a true story, and one you can't put down, honest.
I was loaned it and had to go and buy a copy to keep.

 

[Faith4Bride]

I wonder has anyone heard of this?

I haven't until I came across it in a book I'm reading.
Now the book is about Hudson Taylor I'm sure he's well enough known, a great Missionary to China in the 1800's.

Well this book is written about him but not by him, and this part I mentioned about Keswick Teaching is wrote about, not that Hudson Taylor endorsed it.

A Dr Packer writes, 'Souls that cultivate passivity do not thrive but waste away, (can grasp that ok)
The Christian's motto should NOT be 'Let go and let God' (I have heard this is what we are to do)
But 'trust God and get going' then it goes on to say if you are seeking to form a good habit work out a strategy and ask God's help, and then try YOUR hardest.
To me this reads as if your doing it in your own strength, I know it says 'ask God's help' but it also says try YOUR hardest.

What do you think of this?

Trish,
it was just when you mentioned about leaving it in God's hands brought this back to me. I have always 'left it with Jesus' as He knows better and it took some time to stop taking it back of Him, so I'm wondering about this teaching above, anyone even heard of it?

IT sounds to me like " God helps those who help themselves"

which is against scripture and means pretty much that God cant be trusted and waited on to do it and i dont want to crucify the flesh by stopping my own works so i will pray with no faith he will do it and then use my own works to bring it about

 

[Trishann]

Thanks Maureen, I did hear about the book before but never did read it. Next time I am at a Christian bookstore or where Christian books are sold, I will definitely check it out. Thank you.

Your sister in Christ, Trish

 

[Maureen]

IT sounds to me like " God helps those who help themselves"

which is against scripture and means pretty much that God cant be trusted and waited on to do it and i dont want to crucify the flesh by stopping my own works so i will pray with no faith he will do it and then use my own works to bring it about

i remember my sister in law saying those very words once and i was immediatly pricked in my heart and said God helps those who can't help themselves', but she didn't agree, she isn't saved so it just shows it is the way the unbelievers see God.

you have it so right, I think, in what you have wrote above.
but how can this teaching be a form unto perfectionism, I can't understand that, if we can find disagreements with it?

Trish
do get that book, you can get it paperback form, it shows great humility through much pain and struggle.