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Kingdom of Rage

Hekuran

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This afternoon I heard an interview with Elizabeth Neumann, who served in Dept of Homeland Security under Presidents George W Bush and Donald Trump. She says that the greatest terrorist and security threat in America is from White Christian Nationalists

Here's a bit of blub from her book, Kingdom of Rage, and a link to an interview. Apperently, there are 20 million people in America that believe acts of terror are justified to preseve their values.

Thoughts?


The greatest ideologically motivated violent threat to American democracy is a Church that has lost its soul.

How did a Church that purports to follow the teachings of Jesus – the Prince of Peace – become a breeding ground for violent extremism?

When Elizabeth Neumann began her anti-terrorism career as part of President George W. Bush’s Homeland Security Counsel in the wake of the September 11 attacks, she expected to spend her life protecting her country from the threat of global terrorism.

But as her career evolved, she began to perceive that the greatest threat to American security came not from religious fundamentalists in Afghanistan or Iraq but from white nationalists and radicalized religious fundamentalists within the very institution that was closest to her heart – the American evangelical church. And she began to sound the alarm, raising her concerns to anyone in government who would listen, including testifying before Congress in February of 2020. At that time, Neumann warned that anti-Semitic and white supremacist terrorism was a transnational threat that was building to the doorstep of another major attack. Shortly after her testimony, she resigned from her role as Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary for Counterterrorism and Threat Prevention in protest of what she believed was then-President Trump’s failure of leadership and his stoking of the hatred, anger, and division from which she had dedicated her life to protecting her country.

Her worst fears came true when she witnessed the attack on the capital on January 6, 2021.

In Kingdom of Rage, Neumann explores the forces within American society that have encouraged the radicalization of white supremacist, anti-government and other far-right terrorists by co-opting Christian symbols and culture and perverting the faith’s teachings. While Neumann offers decades of insights into the role government policies can play to prevent further bloodshed, she believes real change must come from the within the Christian church. She shines a bright light on the responsibility of ordinary Americans – and particularly American Christians – to work within their families and their communities to counteract the narrative of victimization and marginalization within American evangelicalism. Her goal for this book is not only to sound a warning about one of the greatest threats to our security but to rescue the Church from the forces that will, if left unchecked, destroy it – culturally, morally, and ultimately quite literally. This is a book for anyone who wants to understand the unholy marriage of right-wing politics and Christian exceptionalism in America and who wants to be a part of reversing the current path towards division, hatred, violence and the ultimate undermining of both evangelical Christianity and American democracy.​

 
then why about Jan 6. Those were not Christians.

I agree that the insurrection was deeply, profoundly unChristian.

We saw lots of Bibles, crosses and flags saying "Jesus is my Saviour, Trump is my President" being waved on January 6.

So it needs faithful and thoughtful Christians to offer a wise response.
 
I agree that the insurrection was deeply, profoundly unChristian.

We saw lots of Bibles, crosses and flags saying "Jesus is my Saviour, Trump is my President" being waved on January 6.

So it needs faithful and thoughtful Christians to offer a wise response.
Its weird. I looked up white "Christian" nationalists and they are more akin to the KKK. They had bibles too, and I worked a job with a clam member in the 80's and he was not a Christian at all. I think the lady is a little confused who she is calling Christians. Using the term "Christian extremism". Does she really know real Christians or talked to any? She says "we have to get back to"; and thought to myself, I 've never left. I wander if she is aware that Christians don't get involved in protests or the things of this world much.
 
Its weird. I looked up white "Christian" nationalists and they are more akin to the KKK. They had bibles too, and I worked a job with a clam member in the 80's and he was not a Christian at all. I think the lady is a little confused who she is calling Christians. Using the term "Christian extremism". Does she really know real Christians or talked to any? She says "we have to get back to"; and thought to myself, I 've never left. I wander if she is aware that Christians don't get involved in protests or the things of this world much.

Yes, KKK would be at the far end of the scale. She's saying that a nationalist ideology is using Christian symbols and a Christian identity. Also that the ideology has entered the church.

I linked to a podcast style interview in the op. If you've time, I'd recommend it as worth listening to.
 
The liberals in our country are doing their best to keep people in fear and angry at others. They tend to forment hatred with the hopes of a rebellion from the patriots so that they feel justified in using deadly force against its own people, and if the people dont rebel, they will continue to spiral our country into chaos to where the govt would power grab even more control and freedom away from the people under the guise of helping the country when all they want is more federal power over the states and the people. In most of the gun violence, its liberal idiots who were conditioned to hate conservatives and christians much like the people of hamas is being conditioned to hate jews and the US.
 
In the past 30 years far right extremists killed six times as many people as far left extremists. That's according to the NIJ

Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives. In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.

Thatsachorfing yo the National Institute of Justice

 
In the past 30 years far right extremists killed six times as many people as far left extremists. That's according to the NIJ

Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives. In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.

Thatsachorfing yo the National Institute of Justice

I started read the link. Then followed a footnote link. This is a liberal hit piece claiming antifa wasn't a violent group and the Trump administration was misconstruing the facts.
 
I started read the link. Then followed a footnote link. This is a liberal hit piece claiming antifa wasn't a violent group and the Trump administration was misconstruing the facts.

I started listening to this, and I get the feeling everything is rage phobia.
I wonder wht they would've though about Jesus calling people dogs, vipers, sons of hell?
I wonder what they think of God sending an angel to kill 185,000 people?
Or a flood to wipeout just about all of mankind? Or fire from heaven to wipeout two entire cities?
Or the way Ananias and Sapphira died? Or King Herod.

There are literally dozens and dozens of examples in the Bible.
The red sea closing in on the Egyptian army. Eilijah beheaded the prophets of Baal.
A battle so bad that the blood will deep as a horses bridle for a distance of 200 miles.
Samson killing a thousand men with the jawbone of a donkey.
Saul killing his thousands and David killing his 10,000s not to mention Goliath.

Sometimes the Bible calls for violence. Sometimes God uses violence.
It's a fact of life. It's a fact of the Bible. To pretend it doesn't exist is just lying to yourself.
Have you ever counted how many times in the Bible God talks about his wrath?
Did you know that the anger of God is mentioned a few places also.

All this non-violence talk is literally nonsense.
We shouldn't go looking for trouble, I agree. Be at peace with people as much as it is up to you.
But sometimes, it isn't up to us.
 
Hmm. Seems like noone is too concerned about the rising threat from domestic terrorism, or the way exremist violent ideology has infiltrated the church
 
Hmm. Seems like noone is too concerned about the rising threat from domestic terrorism, or the way exremist violent ideology has infiltrated the church

There are 2 Churches at present. The true Church made up of born-again believers all over the world, and the apostate church with the form of godliness but denying the power of the Cross.

If the author had made that distinction to domestic terrorism the book would be worth the time to read.
 
There are 2 Churches at present. The true Church made up of born-again believers all over the world, and the apostate church with the form of godliness but denying the power of the Cross.

If the author had made that distinction to domestic terrorism the book would be worth the time to read.

It's a call to the true church to clearly see an external danger, and to respond with a renewed focus on discipleship and spiritual formation
 
It's a call to the true church to clearly see an external danger, and to respond with a renewed focus on discipleship and spiritual formation

Elizabeth Neumann is anti Trump. She blames Trump for the Jan. 6 insurrection.

Her book is an appeal to the evangelicals to stop Trump in November.

She is making an attempt to cut into Trump's base supporters. That is the #1 agenda.
 
That is the #1 agenda.
I'd be interested to find out how you got access to the peimary motivation of someone you've never met.

Anyway, I'd rather keep the church at the centre of the discussion on this thread, not Trump.

Do you believe the rise of violent right wing extremism linked to Christianity is not a danger the church needs to respond to?
 
I'd be interested to find out how you got access to the peimary motivation of someone you've never met.

Anyway, I'd rather keep the church at the centre of the discussion on this thread, not Trump.

Do you believe the rise of violent right wing extremism linked to Christianity is not a danger the church needs to respond to?

How can you keep Trump out of it when she plainly blames him for this extremism and has publicly said many times she can't vote for Trump in '24?
 
How can you keep Trump out of it when she plainly blames him for this extremism and has publicly said many times she can't vote for Trump in '24?

By focusing on the church's responsibility and response. Don't get distracted by side issues.

No matter your views and feeling about Trump, we are part of the body of Christ, and all have a part to play in the health of the church. That should be the first thing we attend to.
 
By focusing on the church's responsibility and response. Don't get distracted by side issues.

No matter your views and feeling about Trump, we are part of the body of Christ, and all have a part to play in the health of the church. That should be the first thing we attend to.

You can't ignore the facts. She resigned from DHS is '20, citing Trump was pouring fire on white extremism in America. She declared she would not vote again for Trump.

Trump has a very strong white evangelical following. She writes a book that's released around 5 months before the '24 election on Church related extremism.

To top it off, she works as a contributor at ABC News, the Never Trump agenda. It's all to convenient.
 
Ah well. I wanted to talk about the church, not Trump. Seems that's not likely to happen right now.
 
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