Many People in This Era are Contributing The Gift of The Holy Spirt as evil & speaking all kinds of deceptions against it, in Unkind ways Not knowing

[PloughBoy]

And ignorance will not be a our Excuse


Matthew 12:31
30He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters. 31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, But The Blasphemy Against the Spirit Will Not Be Forgiven. 32Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, But Whoever Speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, Either In This Age Or In The One To Come.

Many think that The "Parakletos" is not that important. Many think that He is nothing more than "A Comforter" And He is Whole Lot More, and the translated English word, {Comforter] as Done the Translation a great and great and serious Harm. And many have not taken the Time to give it a great theological Study for years and years, for Many think, that a mere biblical dictionary does "Him Justice".

And I Have notice that some on here, Do not Even Believe in The "Son of GOD" and that he is Not a Part of "The Triune GOD' and believe That THE SON OF GOD IS A CREATION TOO. and they are teaching this here,, They are not discussing it, they Are teaching it. By Monologue patterns and not in 'Dialogue" Forms.

and for as "The Parakletos" Is concern HE is nothing more than a comforter and A Spirit , that enable one to SPEAK IN Tongues and hand out GIFTS.


The Parakletos is GOD! but many want to Limited "GOD" The Father and GOD the SON and GOD the Parakletos" and they have place limits on them.

And The Parakletos, raised Jesus, The Christ of GOD from The Grave! And The same "Parakletos" is Going to Raise up us too! All of us and we will Meet JESUS in the SKY! and Then go meet Our Father!


Y'all do not believe me the very words I have just Spoken! The Parakletos is going to raise us Up and we will Meet Jesus in the Sky and Then Jesus will Take us To The FATHER !

And I Do not care what the world believes, They do not believe me anyhow.

 

[Waggles]

and for as "The Parakletos" Is concern HE is nothing more than a comforter and A Spirit , that enable one to SPEAK IN Tongues and hand out GIFTS.

That is challenging both Jesus and scripture - for that is exactly what both teach.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Amen, Amen, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 What is born of the flesh is flesh; and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said to thee, Ye must be born from above.
8 The Spirit breatheth where he willeth, and thou hearest his voice, but knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is everyone born of the Spirit.

Mark 16:15 And he said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
16 Who hath believed and is baptized shall be saved; but who hath disbelieved shall be condemned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that have believed: in my name shall they cast out demons, speak with tongues;
18 and in their hands they shall take up serpents, and if they drink aught deadly, it shall in now wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

1Cor 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are diversities of ministrations, and the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of workings, but the same God, who worketh all the things in all.
7 But to each is given the manifestation of the Spirit to profit.
8 For to one is given through the Spirit a word of wisdom; and to another a word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit:
9 to another faith, in the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, in the one Spirit;
10 and to another workings of powers; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits: to another kinds of tongues; and to another interpretation of tongues;
11 but all these worketh the one and the same Spirit, dividing to each severally even as he willeth.

 

[Twistie]

That is challenging both Jesus and scripture - for that is exactly what both teach.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Amen, Amen, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 What is born of the flesh is flesh; and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said to thee, Ye must be born from above.
8 The Spirit breatheth where he willeth, and thou hearest his voice, but knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is everyone born of the Spirit.

Mark 16:15 And he said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
16 Who hath believed and is baptized shall be saved; but who hath disbelieved shall be condemned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that have believed: in my name shall they cast out demons, speak with tongues;
18 and in their hands they shall take up serpents, and if they drink aught deadly, it shall in now wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

1Cor 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are diversities of ministrations, and the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of workings, but the same God, who worketh all the things in all.
7 But to each is given the manifestation of the Spirit to profit.
8 For to one is given through the Spirit a word of wisdom; and to another a word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit:
9 to another faith, in the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, in the one Spirit;
10 and to another workings of powers; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits: to another kinds of tongues; and to another interpretation of tongues;
11 but all these worketh the one and the same Spirit, dividing to each severally even as he willeth.

Idk if I am repeating or not.. so excuse me for forgetting if I am..

Yrs ago when I first started to spend my days and night in Him.. I started to look for people like I do now too I guess that could truly hear YH so I started with a Christian group can't remember which but in there I meant a young lady one who claimed to b of YH so we started chatting n I don't tell people off the bat that I Hear YH ya know cause most like some in here has already done n I'm not mentioning no names like to put labels on me.. anywho this girl asked me You Hear God? I said yea don't all His children do? She then asked well do u speak in tongues.. I said no she then said well that I can't Hear God... Smh
I pondered this n lol plough I do speak in a new tongue n it's called Truth...

that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.


See at one time plough I dealt with many demons I call them what they is but YH is good and Merciful I love Him soo.


So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Twistie

 

[PloughBoy]

That is challenging both Jesus and scripture - for that is exactly what both teach.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Amen, Amen, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 What is born of the flesh is flesh; and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said to thee, Ye must be born from above.
8 The Spirit breatheth where he willeth, and thou hearest his voice, but knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is everyone born of the Spirit.

Mark 16:15 And he said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
16 Who hath believed and is baptized shall be saved; but who hath disbelieved shall be condemned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that have believed: in my name shall they cast out demons, speak with tongues;
18 and in their hands they shall take up serpents, and if they drink aught deadly, it shall in now wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

1Cor 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are diversities of ministrations, and the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of workings, but the same God, who worketh all the things in all.
7 But to each is given the manifestation of the Spirit to profit.
8 For to one is given through the Spirit a word of wisdom; and to another a word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit:
9 to another faith, in the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, in the one Spirit;
10 and to another workings of powers; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits: to another kinds of tongues; and to another interpretation of tongues;
11 but all these worketh the one and the same Spirit, dividing to each severally even as he willeth.

Yes we are not concerning about unregenerate people at this moment, we cannot have 'Koinonia" anytime when they are in our presences and anytime we are talking about them, we cannot have fellowship with God and The Anointing Oil will not Flow on us when they are around or they are the center of our conversation, the Joy of the LORD will not flow.

We are commanded to WALK IN THE SPIRIT, and we cannot walk in the Sprit of God anytime they are Around. For They quench the spirit of God when they are in our company, that is why we move away quickly, after we have spoke what God has Told us to say, and then we move on. So that we will not "quench" the "The Parakletos of GOD"

Now, do not get it confused "Grieving" the Holy Spirit of GOD with "quenching" the Spirit of GOD" Our Father teaches us all of This.

Now many can understand as they please, it to be, what ever they please, for I am not a teacher, I have no problem on how to Identify the two words in "Holy Scripture" and no need to fight over the two words, if you have been getting along all of these years since you been in Christ, We all do well.


Ephesians 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Ephesians 6:16
Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

1 Thessalonians 5
19Do not quench the Spirit. 20Do not despise prophecies. 21Test all things; hold fast what is good. 22Abstain from every form of evil.



New International Version 2 Timothy 2:24 NIV
Keep reminding God’s people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen.

That is plain English, Do not be Quarreling about Definitions !!!!!!

only Nominal Christians want to quarrel about definitions! State the word and go on.
Our Father Teaches us and not Them. They teach one another, about GOD and Jesus Christ.

John 6:65
Then Jesus said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless the Father has granted it to him."
JOHN 6
45It is written in the Prophets: ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from Him comes to Me—…
JOHN 6: 44
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him;

 

[PloughBoy]

That is challenging both Jesus and scripture - for that is exactly what both teach.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Amen, Amen, I say unto thee, Except one be born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 What is born of the flesh is flesh; and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said to thee, Ye must be born from above.
8 The Spirit breatheth where he willeth, and thou hearest his voice, but knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is everyone born of the Spirit.

Mark 16:15 And he said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
16 Who hath believed and is baptized shall be saved; but who hath disbelieved shall be condemned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that have believed: in my name shall they cast out demons, speak with tongues;
18 and in their hands they shall take up serpents, and if they drink aught deadly, it shall in now wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

1Cor 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are diversities of ministrations, and the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of workings, but the same God, who worketh all the things in all.
7 But to each is given the manifestation of the Spirit to profit.
8 For to one is given through the Spirit a word of wisdom; and to another a word of knowledge, according to the same Spirit:
9 to another faith, in the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, in the one Spirit;
10 and to another workings of powers; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits: to another kinds of tongues; and to another interpretation of tongues;
11 but all these worketh the one and the same Spirit, dividing to each severally even as he willeth.

You have notice that in the Old testament era of The Gospel of Mark When Jesus gave The Command, they did not have the Holy Ghost neither were they Born from Above' but he sent them out From with in His Deity, He Gave A COMMAND just like when He said "LET THERE BE LIGHT" they were not born again neither did they have The Holy Ghost in Them.

Many do not understand The Deity or The Divinity oF Christ and about His Humanity. and it is understandable, but it takes patiences and Time and much prayer to Study it, to the different "Aspect" of God 's Word. Which is Pleasurable spent in Time spent with HIM.

We do not study to teach others, We study to show GOD that we study, and Then He Show us what He wants us to see. Now our families are A different Thing, that is A Command given to the Father or The Mother if a Child does not have Father. That is a command. In who to do it and how to do,

And no one else. End of Story.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

Many do not understand The Deity or The Divinity oF Christ and about His Humanity. and it is understandable, but it takes patiences and Time and much prayer to Study it, to the different "Aspect" of God 's Word. Which is Pleasurable spent in Time spent with HIM.

We do not study to teach others, We study to show GOD that we study,

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Peter 3:16

Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
Acts 4:13

how do we accept both these verses?
Perhaps it is in the Greek? ie, the translations? Perhaps look at the word used, 'unlearned' and see if they are the same.
One appears to suggest that they couldn't do their math, and the other that they were idiots.
Does that mean that they are the same?
If so, how can we have, that one must not be unlearned [as if that is the only way to know anything about the Gospel] and at the same time, the other declaring that the men who turned the world upside down in their time by declaring the gospel were unlearned?

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Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Timothy 2:15

be diligent to present thyself approved to God -- a workman irreproachable, rightly dividing the word of the truth;
2Timothy2:15

Do your best to present yourself to God as a tried-and-true worker who isn't ashamed to teach the word of truth correctly.
2 Timothy 2:15
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Do we study Scripture to have God approve us? Is that the only way?
Is that in order to teach others properly? What does 2Timothy 2:15 actually tell us? {it was initially written to Timothy by Paul}
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we cannot walk in the Sprit of God anytime they are Around.

Does that rule out Stephen and the other Apostles who did contrary. Does that rule out Jesus also?
Therefore does that rule out all Christians today and always up until today?

Doesn't sound correct.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Twistie]

Greetings,



As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Peter 3:16

Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
Acts 4:13

how do we accept both these verses?
Perhaps it is in the Greek? ie, the translations? Perhaps look at the word used, 'unlearned' and see if they are the same.
One appears to suggest that they couldn't do their math, and the other that they were idiots.
Does that mean that they are the same?
If so, how can we have, that one must not be unlearned [as if that is the only way to know anything about the Gospel] and at the same time, the other declaring that the men who turned the world upside down in their time by declaring the gospel were unlearned?

--------------------------------

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Timothy 2:15

be diligent to present thyself approved to God -- a workman irreproachable, rightly dividing the word of the truth;
2Timothy2:15

Do your best to present yourself to God as a tried-and-true worker who isn't ashamed to teach the word of truth correctly.
2 Timothy 2:15
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Do we study Scripture to have God approve us? Is that the only way?
Is that in order to teach others properly? What does 2Timothy 2:15 actually tell us? {it was initially written to Timothy by Paul}
-----------------------------

Does that rule out Stephen and the other Apostles who did contrary. Does that rule out Jesus also?
Therefore does that rule out all Christians today and always up until today?

Doesn't sound correct.


Bless you ....><>

Hey Bur Bear...

Study to show thyself approved many just go n memorize the Word.. I highly doubt YH meant to memorize the Word study to show thyself approved I truly believe with my whole heart one need to study the ways of How our Messiah reacted to all the things He had to endure...Study how our brothers n sister acted n reacted with what they lived thru.. And when one does this we can get so lost in the Word n fall more n more in Love with Him..

I've always wondered one needs to study The Truth of they believe Him to Be true it boggles me to even wonder..

And as for all the fussing ova words it is written

As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.

It is the Holy Spirit that guides us His Word is so simple a child could understand Him...

I don't get the whole dissecting of the Word n my stomach goes in knots when Eva I encounter one who does it

Idk that me tho

Twistie

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Twistie,

I think that the word we read in versions like the KJV give 'study' but many other versions say differently.

Some perhaps think that they need to study Bible in order to please God and to be able to tell others the Gospel.
Some will forever feel condemned if they are not good enough at study.

To properly 'study' anything takes a lot of time to be dedicated to it and with Bible, that has to include learning the original languages in order to grasp better the original meaning of what was given in account in the Bible. [simply because our English is ONLY a translation and therefore can be somewhat marred]

Yes, YHWY gives the learning and in Him alone is wisdom to be found. Draw close to Him and He shall draw close to you.

In the verse that says. 'study to show yourself approved' which is the KJV rendition, we also do well to understand the usage of language in the time things were written or translated.
Other versions/translations give us perhaps a more precise understanding. Suggesting that one [specifically Timothy at the time} should make every effort to present himself to God without being ashamed [of anything].

With our Lord Yeshuah YahJahoshuah Jesus, He was without fault and well approved and therefore also complete in being able to handle the Word of God correctly [praise be to God! ]

We are called to be holy and to do righteousness.
Only then can we deliver truth as it is to be delivered.
Anything less would be flawed both in word and spirit.

So, how can one be holy and righteous before a holy and righteous God?


Bless you ....><>

 

[Twistie]

Greetings Twistie,

I think that the word we read in versions like the KJV give 'study' but many other versions say differently.

Some perhaps think that they need to study Bible in order to please God and to be able to tell others the Gospel.
Some will forever feel condemned if they are not good enough at study.

To properly 'study' anything takes a lot of time to be dedicated to it and with Bible, that has to include learning the original languages in order to grasp better the original meaning of what was given in account in the Bible. [simply because our English is ONLY a translation and therefore can be somewhat marred]

Yes, YHWY gives the learning and in Him alone is wisdom to be found. Draw close to Him and He shall draw close to you.

In the verse that says. 'study to show yourself approved' which is the KJV rendition, we also do well to understand the usage of language in the time things were written or translated.
Other versions/translations give us perhaps a more precise understanding. Suggesting that one [specifically Timothy at the time} should make every effort to present himself to God without being ashamed [of anything].

With our Lord Yeshuah YahJahoshuah Jesus, He was without fault and well approved and therefore also complete in being able to handle the Word of God correctly [praise be to God! ]

We are called to be holy and to do righteousness.
Only then can we deliver truth as it is to be delivered.
Anything less would be flawed both in word and spirit.

So, how can one be holy and righteous before a holy and righteous God?


Bless you ....><>

Thus I considered all my activities which my hands had done and the labor which I had exerted, and behold all was vanity and striving after wind and there was no profit under the sun. So I turned to consider wisdom, madness and folly; for what will the man do who will come after the king except what has already been done? And I saw that wisdom excels folly as light excels darkness...

I truly believe one just gotta Love Abba with their whole being honestly...

I believe the highest form of worship man can do is to rest in YH n allow Him to truly guide them..


Twistie

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

I truly believe one just gotta Love Abba with their whole being honestly...

yes... and love your neighbor as yourself

Do we need the Bible, then?


Bless you ....><>

 

[Twistie]

Greetings,


yes... and love your neighbor as yourself

Do we need the Bible, then?


Bless you ....><>

That's part of the milk./ Manna... But soon we will be seeing less n less of them...

Many are not seeing How precious of a Gift we have been given...

Notice the words not just changing up but being taken out...??? I do.. but it don't matter what man does to the Word His children will b fed that's for sure..

Most time no matter which version of the Word one reads they all Speak the same it's the Spirit that Teaches n reveals...

Me I read any of The Words I love all for they r Him they all tell me to put YH first All tell me to love my neighbor All tell Me to worship the Lord all tell me to b aware of Satan prowling all tell me the Stories of my brothers n sisters.. All tell Me that YH sent His only Son to save my wretched butt..

He tells us we must b like little children to enter the kingdom n unfortunately many act like little children wanting to knit pick n pull Him apart for ones own gratification of trying to prove a point.. very sad.. very disheartening.. n makes my stomach do knots..

So many just spoon feed n sadly this cause one to not search out YH themselves...


Twistie

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

yes.

we should be very thank full for those men who did study and did know the languages and did do the translation work and preservation work.

People being highly educated in Scriptural text is a blessing for those who speak other languages.

Praise the Lord for His goodness.

Then there are many, many, many who were slaughtered for doing such noble works.

Being a person who likes to get into greek and hebrew is not a bad thing, neither discussing it with others, online or offline.

Like many 'tools', it is what they are used for that counts.


Bless you and yours ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

 

[PloughBoy]

Greetings,



As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Peter 3:16

Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
Acts 4:13

how do we accept both these verses?
Perhaps it is in the Greek? ie, the translations? Perhaps look at the word used, 'unlearned' and see if they are the same.
One appears to suggest that they couldn't do their math, and the other that they were idiots.
Does that mean that they are the same?
If so, how can we have, that one must not be unlearned [as if that is the only way to know anything about the Gospel] and at the same time, the other declaring that the men who turned the world upside down in their time by declaring the gospel were unlearned?

--------------------------------

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Timothy 2:15

be diligent to present thyself approved to God -- a workman irreproachable, rightly dividing the word of the truth;
2Timothy2:15

Do your best to present yourself to God as a tried-and-true worker who isn't ashamed to teach the word of truth correctly.
2 Timothy 2:15
-------------------------------
Do we study Scripture to have God approve us? Is that the only way?
Is that in order to teach others properly? What does 2Timothy 2:15 actually tell us? {it was initially written to Timothy by Paul}
-----------------------------

Does that rule out Stephen and the other Apostles who did contrary. Does that rule out Jesus also?
Therefore does that rule out all Christians today and always up until today?

Doesn't sound correct.


Bless you ....><>

For I let God The Father show me, and I never Analyze The Holy Scripture for I have not the ability to do so, like other christians do. I just read The text and let Our Father do the rest. I go about my business, then there it is.. the Bible in my mind comes alive, and I see it but not with Humans eyes. or the humans mind. and I know it cannot be explain. by A mortals finite mind. it is a miracle,

Proverbs 3: I guess I was dumb enough to believe that stuff in the Bible when I 1st. read it and never heard those words before in the Bible, had no teacher or preacher you would say. so no man taught men such sense of the "Holy Scripture" i 1st' heard the word of GOD by me reading it. over and over and over again. I Had To Hurry Up To Remember The Whole Book , Word For Word, Because I Thought Everybody Knew It , Word For Word But Me. I Was Dumb. before year 1 was up. I was going to know every "Dot" in that Book. "NSRSB" copyright 1967. page by page

from "Roman numeral " I to page 1392 read all the names and all the concise concordance and study all the maps in that bible and when Computere systems came I Bought Satellite Trajectory, of the stars and how the stars in the sky looked when they came out "Egypt" and I have one of the 1st. order of "GLO BIBLE" with a lifetime membership that now have really went out of business but program is loaded down on alley 3 computers.

There have never been nothing in my life that has been so exciting as The Word of GOD. church do not excite me, preachers do not excite me, bible classes do not excite me. and my brothers and sisters do not excite me.. But God does and The Parakletos of GOD, All has been done Through Jesus the Son the Living GOD, if he had not came, done of this could be possible.


Proverb 3:5
…5Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding; 6in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight. 7Be not wise in your own eyes; Fear The Lord And Turn Away From Evil.


Nothing excites me on this planet. I can sit in my chair all day and mediate ON God and nothing else.