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Mary's Genealogy

Beetow

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Sermons about Jesus' mom usually center upon her private life. In this four-part
monologue, I break with the beaten path and focus primarily upon Mary's origin
instead; which to me is a whole lots more interesting and productive than the
other.

Buen Camino

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Eve wasn't made directly from the soil the way that Adam was. She was made of
human material taken from Adam's body. In effect then, Eve was Adam's offspring,
i.e. his first child.

Hence, from then on, even if all of Eve's children had been 100% virgin-conceived,
they would've still been biologically related to Adam seeing as how every part of
her body was made from Adam's body.

So then, unless somebody can prove beyond a shadow of sensible doubt that no
part of Mary's body was in any way biologically related to Eve's body, then we have
to concede that Mary's son Jesus was biologically related to Eve too, and thus
biologically related to Adam.

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It's sometimes suggested that Mary was a surrogate mother. In other words; baby
Jesus was implanted in her womb as an embryo.

But the angel predicted that he would be the result of conception that was to take
place in Mary's body. Well; in order for Mary's body to conceive a baby, her own
ovum would have to be involved.

Luke 1:31 . .Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you
shall name him Jesus.

Luke 2:21 . . When eight days were completed for his circumcision, he was
named Jesus, the name given him by the angel before he was conceived in the
womb.

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Heb 7:14 . .It is clear that our Lord arose from Judah, and in regard to that tribe,
etc.

Throughout the Bible, it is normally the biological father's side of the family that
determines a child's tribal identity, but in Jesus' case there was no biological father.
So tribal determination defaulted to his biological mother's side.

Mary's situation was unusual but not unbiblical. Inheritance via women became an
expedient back in Num 27:1-8.

Jesus' mom is sometimes alleged to be a member of Levi's tribe due to her
association with Elizabeth (Luke 1:5 and Luke 1:36). However, Levi and Judah were
brothers, i.e. both men were Leah's sons (Gen 29:34-35). So then Mary and
Elizabeth were cousins due to their association with the same grandma rather than
with the same tribe.

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Rom 1:3 . . [God's] son Jesus Christ our Lord was made of the seed of David
according to the flesh

The koiné Greek word for "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper' mah) which is a
bit ambiguous because it can refer to biological reproduction and/or spiritual
reproduction.

I think it's pretty safe to assume that the passage below is speaking of spiritual
reproduction.

"If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the
promise." (Gal 3:29)

However; Rom 1:3 is definitely speaking of biological reproduction because David's
seed is according to the flesh, i.e. his body.

Rom 1:3 is handy for proving that David was Mary's biological grandfather.
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Also:

Acts 2:30 . .Therefore [David] being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn
with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would
raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

Greek words for "according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ" are not in the
manuscripts. The KJV's editors took the liberty to pencil them into their English
translation.

However, Greek words for "fruit of his loins" are in the manuscript. Those are
reinforced by the wording of the oath at 2Sam 7:12 where again David's seed is
clearly implied to be physical rather than spiritual.

See also Psalm 132:11 where it's said: The Lord has sworn to David, a truth from
which He will not turn back: "Of the fruit of your body I will set upon your throne."
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