Murder Begins a Conception

[Eric E Stahl]

Murder Begins a Conception


Psalm 139:13-16
13. For thou hast possessed my reigns: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb.

14. I will praise thee; marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

15. My substance was not hid from thee when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

16. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members where written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

God says he writes the name of the baby in his book when it is still without form. Do you understand? When the baby still has no hands or feet or head, God says it is an individual and he writes it down in his book.

 

[farout]

Murder is really farther back that at conception. If a "married" couple uses any form of birth control except the "temperature method" where the bride takes her temperature at specfic times to know when to have would be the time most likely to concieve a baby. That would also be a time to not make love. Any other method of birth control is killing a concieved child. A few methods of murder in the purest sense are birth control pills, shots, condoms, foams, iud's, and a host of other methods.This is a very strong statement I have made, but every method that interfers with conception, except the temperature method is a intentional, deliberate, intentional act of killing an fertilized egg, or aconcieved zygote. None the less if this zyoote attached itself to the wall of the uterus it would be a baby growing. Every method to prevent a fertilized egg from attaching itself to the wall of the uterus wall is murder. This is the purest way we can look at when conception takes place.May I say my wife and me were not aware of these facys when we got married 44 years ago. We felt angry when we were made aware of this only in the last decade. Some might say do you have any idea how may children a couple coulld have? Yes we do. However here is where I believe we have bought into the culture that says that we are over populating the world as is now. What I will say is God does supply and it is an act of faith and trust in the Lords promise to provide in Him if we FOLLOW HIS WAYS. Followinf HIS WAYS are tithing, becoming a genuine follower of Jesus Christ. Rejecting the worlds ways and culture. Do we need a new car every time ours needs a large repair? The Almish and Mennonite raise very large families, have transportation that is either bike, walking or horse and buggy. They are rather extreme, and I do noy feel that is for us for sure. But there groups of Mennonite that do have vehicles and electric, with many children and are blessed by the Lord beyond believe. They do put God first. I am a Baptist but do not agree with some of their belief's. My point is that the Lord walks ahead and leads....if we really follow his ways.....but very few of us have what it takes. My opinion is we are so deeply enmeshed is our culture and ways of earning a living, and so indebt, and fearfull of what others say, ...we can't take the risk to change and gain the faith it takes.Give my words some time to sink in and really think about a SIMPLE LIFE really means. I openly admit I find myself lacking a lot even if we were 40 years younger. But we just might have given it a gradual try.My main point is birth control (other than using temperature) is in a real sense is murder. Please know I am taking this to it's pureest form, yes it is extreme. But think, the Lord has a method that costs nothing, has no side effects on your wife, and murders no concieved egg.

 

[Eric E Stahl]

What are the 5 little yellow boxes?

 

[Barabbas]

Murder is really farther back that at conception. If a "married" couple uses any form of birth control except the "temperature method" where the bride takes her temperature at specfic times to know when to have would be the time most likely to concieve a baby. That would also be a time to not make love. Any other method of birth control is killing a concieved child. A few methods of murder in the purest sense are birth control pills, shots, condoms, foams, iud's, and a host of other methods.This is a very strong statement I have made, but every method that interfers with conception, except the temperature method is a intentional, deliberate, intentional act of killing an fertilized egg, or aconcieved zygote.

Birth control is not murder. It cannot be murder as there is no distinct human being present that is being destroyed.

...birth control pills, shots, condoms, foams, iud's,...

No explanation for "shots" is given. What kind of Shots? Be specific please.

None of these methods "kill" a distinct human being. The egg has not been fertilized thus no baby can be formed to be written in any book.
Only when the egg is fertilized, and survives to become a fetus do we have a human being that can be murdered.

Estimates are that nearly 60% of all conceptions fail because the zygote never becomes properly implanted in the uterus. This happens naturally without any interference from anyone.
Is that "murder"? Of course not. The woman would not even be aware of this happening.

Do the menstruating woman, or boy who has a wet dream become complicit in murder? Of course not. There is no distinct, unique human being present being destroyed. Separate, unique life begins at conception, not before.

There are extremely strong, and compelling arguments against abortion. Making statements that merely chuck out a few scriptures, or argue a point that has no science, or logic behind it does our movement no good.

 

[farout]

Birth control is not murder. It cannot be murder as there is no distinct human being present that is being destroyed. No explanation for "shots" is given. What kind of Shots? Be specific please.None of these methods "kill" a distinct human being. The egg has not been fertilized thus no baby can be formed to be written in any book. Only when the egg is fertilized, and survives to become a fetus do we have a human being that can be murdered. Estimates are that nearly 60% of all conceptions fail because the zygote never becomes properly implanted in the uterus. This happens naturally without any interference from anyone.Is that "murder"? Of course not. The woman would not even be aware of this happening.Do the menstruating woman, or boy who has a wet dream become complicit in murder? Of course not. There is no distinct, unique human being present being destroyed. Separate, unique life begins at conception, not before.There are extremely strong, and compelling arguments against abortion. Making statements that merely chuck out a few scriptures, or argue a point that has no science, or logic behind it does our movement no good.

My belief is any thing that prevents the Fertilized egg form attaching to the wall of the womb is preventing the zygote to become human. The shots are the depo that can mess a womans cycle for several months to a year or more. Unless sexual intercourse takes place there is no potential for killing a potential baby. Your statement about a menstruating woman and a male having a wet drean is irrelevant. many believe such as I that conception begins before the zigote attaches itself to the wall of the womb. I am by no means an expert, but my views are not unique.I am only stating what I believe, and anyone wishing to disagree or support similar or different points of views are welcome to do so. I know I can Biblically support my view point to the Lord, andafter all that is the ultimate test we each must stand or fall with. Thank you for your post and God bless.

 

[Barabbas]

My belief is any thing that prevents the Fertilized egg form attaching to the wall of the womb is preventing the zygote to become human.....many believe such as I that conception begins before the zigote attaches itself to the wall of the womb.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, they are just not entitled to their own facts. Now which is it? Human life begins when the Zygote is formed, or before the Zygote is formed?
previously it was stated-

Any other method of birth control is killing a concieved child. A few methods of murder in the purest sense are birth control pills, shots, condoms, foams, iud's, and a host of other methods.

Since none of these methods have a Zygote in place there can be no murder.

Exactly when does life begin then?

I know I can Biblically support my view point to the Lord, andafter all that is the ultimate test we each must stand or fall with.

What scriptures support this viewpoint?

Just a side note- Appealing to "other people agree with me" is not a valid point in any discussion, or debate. One can easily find thousands who believe the Da Vinci Code is real, or that aliens built the pyramids. However that does not make it so.

In the issue of conception, science, and scripture work hand in glove all the way showing us what is fact, or fallacy. Beliefs..don't enter into it.

 

[farout]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, they are just not entitled to their own facts. Now which is it? Human life begins when the Zygote is formed, or before the Zygote is formed?previously it was stated-Since none of these methods have a Zygote in place there can be no murder.Exactly when does life begin then? What scriptures support this viewpoint?Just a side note- Appealing to "other people agree with me" is not a valid point in any discussion, or debate. One can easily find thousands who believe the Da Vinci Code is real, or that aliens built the pyramids. However that does not make it so.In the issue of conception, science, and scripture work hand in glove all the way showing us what is fact, or fallacy. Beliefs..don't enter into it.

I fully agree with your last statement. When it comes to when conception takes place to the very instant, that's where what a person believes comes into play. There are many who are so solid on their opinion it's war to challenge them. I for one respect views that believe life is for sure when the zygote becomes attatched to the womb wall. I did say my view point was strict and beyond what many think. I admit that my opinion is hard for a good many to even consider. But, if birth control is used for the sole reason for keeping the zygote from implanting it is interfering with the natural way God creats life. This view is extreme. There are people who disagree totally with this view point. This is only a view point, to think about and give something to mull over.Birth control is a very personal issue, and for most men it is the responsibility of the wife. I will not even address tyhose having sex outside of marriage. I am by no means am trying to be snarky, or discounting your views or the Medical advancements. But there is a cost in emotions and we are accountable for our actions. The most important issue is no matter what we have done that we do have a loving Lord that never stops loving us. If anything I have said has offended you or anyone else, I sincerely am sorry. As I said from the start these are my views and my opinion. My view point is not without some very serious thought the way God intends for us to live and glorify the Lord. Thanks for you post's and I am so glad you are against abortion. God bless you.

 

[Barabbas]

Thanks for your reply brother. I take no offense at whatever is stated in a discussion.

That said, the issue of condoms, IUD's, foams, and the Pill, for example, being considered murder is what is a bone of contention.
Since at no time do they interfere with a Zygote being attached to the uterus, there is no murder taking place.

If merely the act of preventing fertilization is to be considered murder then even the "temperature method" would fall into this category.

We agree that life begins at conception, thus no act by anyone in preventing fertilization is to be considered a sin, nor murder.

We must be careful how we explain our terms considering how emotional this issue has been made into by the leftists.
Science, and Scripture must never be replaced by personal beliefs based on political ideologies, or old wives tales.

The pro abortion factions look for every opportunity to showcase Christians as ignorant, science hatin' hillbillies.
That is the only weapon they have. Logic, reasoning, and science are against them.

Thank you for your understanding.

 

[bikinigirl]

Murder Begins a Conception


Psalm 139:13-16
13. For thou hast possessed my reigns: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb.

14. I will praise thee; marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

15. My substance was not hid from thee when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

16. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members where written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

God says he writes the name of the baby in his book when it is still without form. Do you understand? When the baby still has no hands or feet or head, God says it is an individual and he writes it down in his book.

I'm definately gonna share these scriptures with my girlfriends, thanks for posting them. I agree about birth control its not a good thing.

 

[B-A-C]

Psa 119:73 Your hands made me and fashioned me; Give me understanding, that I may learn Your commandments.
God made us the way we are, the color of our eyes, the color of our heair, how tall we are, none of this was by accident.

Isa 43:7 Everyone who is called by My name, And whom I have created for My glory, Whom I have formed, even whom I have made."
Isa 44:2 Thus says the LORD who made you And formed you from the womb, who will help you, 'Do not fear, O Jacob My servant; And you Jeshurun whom I have chosen.
God formed us in our mother's womb before we were born.

Psa 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
We are wonderfully made, truly the miracle of life.

Job 31:15 Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?

Isa 49:5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.

Mat 10:30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
Nothing about us is an accident, even how much hair we have is ordained by him.

God knew us before we were born, he made us the way we are.

 

[Eric E Stahl]

I'm definately gonna share these scriptures with my girlfriends, thanks for posting them. I agree about birth control its not a good thing.

I hoped the post would help people understand the truth.

 

[dannibear]

Murder is really farther back that at conception. If a "married" couple uses any form of birth control except the "temperature method" where the bride takes her temperature at specfic times to know when to have would be the time most likely to concieve a baby. That would also be a time to not make love. Any other method of birth control is killing a concieved child. A few methods of murder in the purest sense are birth control pills, shots, condoms, foams, iud's, and a host of other methods.This is a very strong statement I have made, but every method that interfers with conception, except the temperature method is a intentional, deliberate, intentional act of killing an fertilized egg, or aconcieved zygote. None the less if this zyoote attached itself to the wall of the uterus it would be a baby growing. Every method to prevent a fertilized egg from attaching itself to the wall of the uterus wall is murder. .

I wonder, how about the women that use birth control as a way to keep ovarian cysts from forming, which can cause pain especially if they burst? What experts say is that the chances of developing ovarian cysts dramatically decline if ovulation is stopped. That is why doctors suggest that ovarian cysts prevention is best achieved by taking birth control pills. What would you suggest to women as a way to help ovarian cysts, especially women that have PCOS. (Polycystic ovary syndrome).

 

[Eric E Stahl]

If the man uses condoms, there would be no conception to end with birth control pills.

 

[Barabbas]

There is nothing wrong with a women using birth control pills. They do not end a babies life. They prevent eggs from being fertilized. They are also used for the treatment of various health issues, such as was pointed out.
Again no murder can take place without a human being present to be killed.

There is no prohibition, nor even the concept, present anywhere in the scriptures. Birth control is not murder.

Birth control methods are known as far back as 1850 B.C. The Romans practiced contraception yet not once did Paul, or any of the New Testament writers ever mention it as being wrong. Nor did Jesus.

If it was so anathema to God why no mention anywhere in the scriptures?

It is a great responsibility, perhaps our greatest, to bring children into the world. Telling Christians that contraception is wrong, or sinful as absolutely no biblical backing whatsoever.

The scriptures denoting that God knew us before we were formed are superfluous to the discussion. Of course God knew everyone ever born, or to be born before he even began creation. He is omniscient.

This however does not confer holiness, nor the sacred upon *****, and eggs.

 

[Eric E Stahl]

I am sorry for the ladies that face this problem.

If a birth control pill causes the body to have menstruation even if there is a baby attached to the wall it will cause the death of the baby.

The pill they take the next day to make sure there is no baby can kill a baby.

Have the man use a condom to be safe most of the time.

I am no expert but I don't want the ladies to find out this at the judgment seat of Christ.

 

[Barabbas]

The birth control pill does not "cause menstruation".
It suppresses the body from ovulating. No egg...no conception.

In rare instances breakthrough ovulation can occur. If a women forgets to take the pill that day for instance.

Estimates of 60% of implantation's fail through no action on part of a women. Would a women then face the judgement of God? No.

One cannot be guilty of something if one does not know it even happened.

One becomes guilty of something when they choose to act in a certain manner.

Guilt requires knowledge, and choice.

Many things can happen to a women to prevent implantation, should women then be strapped into chairs least they exert themselves to much, perhaps disturbing implantation?

If it is God's will that a child be born then regardless of any precautions it will be done.

If it's not his will...it won't happen.

To throw the judgement seat of God in a women's face when she is trying to be responsible in the gift of child bearing is irresponsible, and needlessly guilt tripping.

How about men acting like men, and taking their responsibility in this act that can produce a child in the first place? leaving only women at the judgement seat is a cheap, and easy way out.

The man involved is every bit as responsible as the women. If any women was actually to stand in front of the judgement seat of God (And I don't think she would) for something she didn't know happened, then the man should be standing next to her. The man being responsible for her standing there in the first place.

Maybe he could use Adam's lame excuse..."It was this women you gave to me":wink:

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee....
Jeremiah 1:4

Yes murder begins at conception

From that moment of conceiving, a tiny life, so precious, and already known to the Lord is developing
Any act to remove that dear life is murder

For Thou hast possessed my reins: Thou hast covered me in my mother's womb
Psalm 139:13


A devotional I read today seems fitting for this thread....

Before an architect constructs a building, he meticulously puts every detail on paper, every component needed to make his dream into a reality.
The idea is first conceived in his mind, then is transferred on paper, and then when everything is just perfect, he starts the process of building his creation.
In my own limited understanding of God's creation process, this is how I imagine it to be.
He first conceived us in His mind, and with great thoughts of love, He began to chart every detail of our DNA in preparation for the time when he would form us in our mother's womb.
What a wonderful thought, to know that the God of the universe knew us intimately and set us apart for His purposes even before we were conceived
(From Fathers Love letter Devotionals)

 

[Eric E Stahl]

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee....
Jeremiah 1:4

Yes murder begins at conception

From that moment of conceiving, a tiny life, so precious, and already known to the Lord is developing
Any act to remove that dear life is murder

For Thou hast possessed my reins: Thou hast covered me in my mother's womb
Psalm 139:13


A devotional I read today seems fitting for this thread....

Before an architect constructs a building, he meticulously puts every detail on paper, every component needed to make his dream into a reality.
The idea is first conceived in his mind, then is transferred on paper, and then when everything is just perfect, he starts the process of building his creation.
In my own limited understanding of God's creation process, this is how I imagine it to be.
He first conceived us in His mind, and with great thoughts of love, He began to chart every detail of our DNA in preparation for the time when he would form us in our mother's womb.
What a wonderful thought, to know that the God of the universe knew us intimately and set us apart for His purposes even before we were conceived
(From Fathers Love letter Devotionals)

Fragrant Grace,

That was a great post!

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Babies - Things we throw in garbage bins

Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is His reward.
Psalm 127:3

When I was in hospital some years ago, I had to go to the sluice room.
In it there was about ten cardboard containers, some covered, others revealing the bloody contents.
Each one was labelled, Unwanted Products of Conception for Disposal

These were the remains of tiny children aborted (by prostaglandin to bring on early labour)
Murdered.
Planned waiting list, day case, murder

It was heartbreaking....
But I believe each one of these precious tiny beings is now with the Lord
Away from the perils of this wicked world


When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.
Psalm 27:10

He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: He shall gather the lambs with His arm, and carry them in His bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young
Isaiah 40:11