My friend needs help finding Jesus
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Hello Aiden,
I've told people that are seeking God to just simply ask Him. God is not far off. You can tell your friend to go to his alone place and start talking to God and ask God to show your friend God is real and God will show your friend. There is one person I know of that looked up to God and said" God if you are real save me" and he was saved.
I've told people that are seeking God to just simply ask Him. God is not far off. You can tell your friend to go to his alone place and start talking to God and ask God to show your friend God is real and God will show your friend. There is one person I know of that looked up to God and said" God if you are real save me" and he was saved.
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This is a matter in it would be much better to deal with, in person. He is on the right path if he realizes it is only Jesus who can free him from this bondage. In order to get to know Jesus, we should read his word. every day and talk to Jesus all through the day. Chapter a day should not be to much for anyone who want to be freed from bondage. The word of God tells us to seek the Kingdom of God First and foremost !! Then all other things as needed will be added.
here are some versus I recently shared with a person in the same spiritual battle
- Seek the Kingdom of God FIst, this is most important thing every human being on the face of the earth can do for themselves!!
Seek the Kingdom of God above all else, and live righteously, and he will give you everything you need.
- Renewing our mind ,Start by reading 1 chapter a day in the morning if possible. Recommend starting in the book of John. Talk to God all day about everything, he will hear you, and he already know everything, we can hide nothing from God.
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
- Born again, is when we receive the holy spirit, and the power to brake the chains of sin that keep us in bondage. This is what being transformed means. You receive a new nature, a new heart, a new spirit through the Holy spirit of Jesus Chrst our Lord and savior, who died for our sins as the perfect sacrafice in order that you and I may be freed from the bondage of sin and have eternal life. This is what its all about getting born again.
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.- Practice these things 2 Peter 1
Psalm 38:18
I confess my iniquity; I am sorry for my sin.Romans 10:9
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.John 3:16-17
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.Romans 10:17
So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.For me this is the verse that stung so bad and scared me to death
1 Corinthians 6:9-1
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
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Hello, I hope you will find what I have put here useful. I apologise for the length but that cannot be helped. I hope your friend finds peace in Jesus and comes away from Satans lies.
Homosexuality is a sin just as breaking any of the 10 commandments is a sin. It took Adam & Eve to disobey one command of God and that caused man (man in this context includes woman since women came out of man) to fall.
Since all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Rom 3:23) the wages for those sins is death (Rom 6:23).
In order for anyone to come from under the slavery to sin and into slavery to righteousness one must be convicted of sin by the Holy Spirit through the preaching of the Gospel (John 16:8-12). The Holy Spirit and the Word work together to bring a sinner to repentance and salvation. Once convicted they will respond in one of two ways, either they will persecute or they will repent. Without repentance (that is, turning away from sin towards God and His righteousness) one will only attempt to cover their sin in self-righteousness. Having repented they need to understand that Jesus Christ paid the price for their sins, They need to seek Gods mercy and forgiveness and be reconciled to Him. He took the judgement we deserved – death. So, we look at the Old Testament and we find that homosexuality is an abomination to God (Leviticus 20:13) and those who practiced it were to be put to death. We no longer put death these sinners because we have the New Covenant in Jesus Christ's Blood. Homosexuality is also mentioned in the New Testament and is still seen there as an abomination but God offers them a hand of reconciliation. Jesus took that punishment on Himself, the sinless for the sinner!
Galatians 3:24 reads: Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith. During this time where God shows grace to sinners the law is perfect in drawing the sinner to repentance and trust in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross.
in Leviticus 20: 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
Why is it an abomination to God? God Himself instituted the family. A family consists of father, mother and children. When we look at the triunity of the Godhead we see that there is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. From this we see that the family was created to glorify God in that the family is in the likeness of the three members of the Godhead.
Another reason that it is an abomination to God is that God also instituted marriage between a man and a woman (Genesis 2). Out of that marriage union parents would have a heritage from God. What is the meaning of the word woman? Genesis 2: 23 Then the man said, “This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.” (ESV). God gives the meaning of woman: it means: “…because she was taken out of man”… . I would not put my trust in the worlds opinion on this because it does not give justice to its true meaning. This is from a dictionary online:
woman
[ˈwʊmən]
NOUN
an adult female human being:
"a drawing of a young woman" · "a jury of seven women and five men" · "she stormed into the women's final undefeated"
A woman is called a woman because she came out of man. When a man and a woman marry they become one flesh. Marriage brings the two together again as one. …
There is a lot more that I can add to the above in respect to father, mother and children, family, but that would take a lot of time. Just be aware that the Bridegroom (Jesus Christ), the Bride (church) and the individuals that come about because of the union of the two are the children of God. The perfect family represented.
In Deuteronomy 23:1 says that No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the LORD. These people were boys and men who were referred to as Eunuchs in the Old Testament. Their primary job was to look after concubines and because their sexual organs were crushed or amputated they posed no treat to them. However, many homosexuals are effeminate? They have lost their God given manhood through spiritual deceit. They suppress their normal God given manly desires and so they are emasculated through it. They take on the role of a woman something God did not intend them to be. They have had their minds corrupted into believing that they are a woman when they are not. They get convinced that they are a woman in a wrong body. Take note that this is demonic influence and if there is no stopping the lies it will lead to one thinking that they need to cut off those sexual organs. God is light, He is absolutely perfect! He cannot sin therefore He cannot put someone into a wrong body. This is only Satan’s manner of destroying Gods design for marriage and family!! Satan does not care a hoot for any homosexual or for any human being at all they are just pawns in defaming God. He does this in order to elevate himself above God (Is 14:12-14) and those who remain in their sin are one with him and do as he does however, they will suffer the same judgment as he.
If a homosexual has gone all the way and cut off his sexual organs can he still find mercy from God? Yes, he can. He will have to live with the consequence of his sin but God would restore him through the sanctification of the Spirit and the Word. His body will eventually go into the ground when he dies but what a victory we have in Jesus Christ!! His body will be resurrected at the resurrection and he will be completely whole again. Gods mercy, if sought, is absolutely wonderful. It is something that we sometimes cannot fathom but He is a wonderful, loving God but He is also a God that displays justice and He can show anger and wrath and these will be poured out on the sons of iniquity.
If you want more just post a reply and ask. What I know I will share.
Homosexuality is a sin just as breaking any of the 10 commandments is a sin. It took Adam & Eve to disobey one command of God and that caused man (man in this context includes woman since women came out of man) to fall.
Since all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Rom 3:23) the wages for those sins is death (Rom 6:23).
In order for anyone to come from under the slavery to sin and into slavery to righteousness one must be convicted of sin by the Holy Spirit through the preaching of the Gospel (John 16:8-12). The Holy Spirit and the Word work together to bring a sinner to repentance and salvation. Once convicted they will respond in one of two ways, either they will persecute or they will repent. Without repentance (that is, turning away from sin towards God and His righteousness) one will only attempt to cover their sin in self-righteousness. Having repented they need to understand that Jesus Christ paid the price for their sins, They need to seek Gods mercy and forgiveness and be reconciled to Him. He took the judgement we deserved – death. So, we look at the Old Testament and we find that homosexuality is an abomination to God (Leviticus 20:13) and those who practiced it were to be put to death. We no longer put death these sinners because we have the New Covenant in Jesus Christ's Blood. Homosexuality is also mentioned in the New Testament and is still seen there as an abomination but God offers them a hand of reconciliation. Jesus took that punishment on Himself, the sinless for the sinner!
Galatians 3:24 reads: Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith. During this time where God shows grace to sinners the law is perfect in drawing the sinner to repentance and trust in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross.
in Leviticus 20: 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
Why is it an abomination to God? God Himself instituted the family. A family consists of father, mother and children. When we look at the triunity of the Godhead we see that there is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. From this we see that the family was created to glorify God in that the family is in the likeness of the three members of the Godhead.
Another reason that it is an abomination to God is that God also instituted marriage between a man and a woman (Genesis 2). Out of that marriage union parents would have a heritage from God. What is the meaning of the word woman? Genesis 2: 23 Then the man said, “This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.” (ESV). God gives the meaning of woman: it means: “…because she was taken out of man”… . I would not put my trust in the worlds opinion on this because it does not give justice to its true meaning. This is from a dictionary online:
woman
[ˈwʊmən]
NOUN
an adult female human being:
"a drawing of a young woman" · "a jury of seven women and five men" · "she stormed into the women's final undefeated"
A woman is called a woman because she came out of man. When a man and a woman marry they become one flesh. Marriage brings the two together again as one. …
There is a lot more that I can add to the above in respect to father, mother and children, family, but that would take a lot of time. Just be aware that the Bridegroom (Jesus Christ), the Bride (church) and the individuals that come about because of the union of the two are the children of God. The perfect family represented.
In Deuteronomy 23:1 says that No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the LORD. These people were boys and men who were referred to as Eunuchs in the Old Testament. Their primary job was to look after concubines and because their sexual organs were crushed or amputated they posed no treat to them. However, many homosexuals are effeminate? They have lost their God given manhood through spiritual deceit. They suppress their normal God given manly desires and so they are emasculated through it. They take on the role of a woman something God did not intend them to be. They have had their minds corrupted into believing that they are a woman when they are not. They get convinced that they are a woman in a wrong body. Take note that this is demonic influence and if there is no stopping the lies it will lead to one thinking that they need to cut off those sexual organs. God is light, He is absolutely perfect! He cannot sin therefore He cannot put someone into a wrong body. This is only Satan’s manner of destroying Gods design for marriage and family!! Satan does not care a hoot for any homosexual or for any human being at all they are just pawns in defaming God. He does this in order to elevate himself above God (Is 14:12-14) and those who remain in their sin are one with him and do as he does however, they will suffer the same judgment as he.
If a homosexual has gone all the way and cut off his sexual organs can he still find mercy from God? Yes, he can. He will have to live with the consequence of his sin but God would restore him through the sanctification of the Spirit and the Word. His body will eventually go into the ground when he dies but what a victory we have in Jesus Christ!! His body will be resurrected at the resurrection and he will be completely whole again. Gods mercy, if sought, is absolutely wonderful. It is something that we sometimes cannot fathom but He is a wonderful, loving God but He is also a God that displays justice and He can show anger and wrath and these will be poured out on the sons of iniquity.
If you want more just post a reply and ask. What I know I will share.
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Sorry Uncle, I didn't find your answer useful at all, rather I found it deeply disturbing. To say to a gay man that if you want to go to Heaven, you'll need to have your bits amputated is just sick. Where did you get that one from? Who do you think is going to perform that operation?
Apostle Paul was very dismissive of Jewish heretics who were advocating that to be a Christian, you have to be circumcised. He wrote-
Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves! Galatians 5:11-12.
You're going further than the heretics, you're saying that all gays should go the whole way and emasculate themselves. I think that if Paul were to contribute to this thread, he'd say, 'you first!'.
Let me correct you, being gay is not a sin, nowhere in the Bible says it is. What the Bible does say is that God disapproves of gay sex and yes, it uses that word abomination.
Another heresy that seems to be doing the rounds is that there's grades of sin. Right at the top there's gay sex, then there's rape, underneath that you've got adultery and underneath that, there's sex outside of marriage. Absolute hog wash. Sin is the opposite of righteousness, there's no black, navy blue or grey.
By the way, have you noticed that gay sex didn't make it into the ten commandments but adultery did? Have you also noticed that Jesus never once mentioned gay sex during the whole of His ministry?
No, Jesus did not come to condemn the world but rather to save it. John 3:17. Jesus's death and resurrection- His salvation covers all our sins, past, present and future. It has only one limitation and that's unbelief.
Homosexuality is dealt with in the epistles and it is quite clear that God has not changed His mind, God intensely dislikes gay sex and always will.
So to OP's friend I would say that Jesus's calling is very much open. He loves you dearly and He wants His death and resurrection to cover ALL of your sins. God wants you to be His adopted son and Jesus's younger brother, to one day share in His inheritance.
If he'll only say yes. Then God and Jesus will abide in him and he'll have a close and 121 relationship.
Yes. The question of his homosexuality will have to be dealt with but I would say to him read the Gospel account of Jesus's crucifixion. That is what Jesus did for you. Is it such a big ask to surrender your sexuality?
If it's too big an ask, that's what the Holy Spirit's for. He is the intercessor, there to help you.
If you are able to overcome your lustful desires your reward in Heaven will be immense.
I really do hope he makes the right choice.
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I'd love to help, but to be brutally honest, I could never understand how homosexuality has become an identity instead of a behavior, a lifestyle or a fetish, like all other sins. A person has a lot of identities, but when I introduce myself, the identities I can think of are my job, familial relation, education background, socio-economic status, birthplace, and of course, a child of God. When I meet somebody, I'd be interested to learn about these identities as well. The highly politicized identities such as gender, race, age, body shape, and sex orientation have never crossed my mind for a nanosecond, it is insane to define a person with these identities. I know that homosexuality has its roots in the ancient Greco-Roman culture, but it should never be an issue in the modern time.
I am sorry that I have taken so long to respond. I think you may have miss -read me on this and that which you quoted from my post should have been seen in context with the rest of what was written. If any homosexual who, after he has had surgery to remove his sexual organs, comes to salvation through Jesus Christ he will have found Gods mercy. However God is not supernaturally going to put them back after salvation. At no point did I say that a homosexual will have to have his sexual organs removed in order to come to God through Jesus Christ. The fact remains that the choices he made before salvation regarding those sexual organs may be forgiven but he will have to live with the consequences in his body.
Before you start to quote about what the Old and New testaments says about the subject I will say to you: where did the Apostles get the knowledge they put in the epistles? They got itfrom the Old Testament as the Holy Spirit opened up the scriptures to them (2 Tim 3:16)). There is the saying: the old is the new concealed and the new is the old revealed. The Bible is one book and one cannot disregard the Old and only use the New. Homosexuality is still an abomination to God as I mentioned in my original post and if they see this and repent (that is, turn from their sin), put their trust in the finished work of Jesus Christ on that cross (that is have faith in the fact that He took on Himself the judgement of God for those sins) and seek Gods forgiveness they will find mercy and forgiveness. After that they will have the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit to conform them into the image of Christ. Romans 12:1-2 says that we must not be conformed to this world any longer but be transformed by the renewing of the mind. 2 Corinthians 3 says that we must show ourselves as a letter from Christ the result of the work of the Holy Spirit working in us and because of this work we go from glory to glory as we grow in Him. We once loved sin but now we love righteousness and follow after that righteousness.
John 3:3 says that in order to see the kingdom of God we must be born again and that can only happen if we put our trust in what Jesus Christ did on that cross for us ... something we could not do for ourselves through self righteousness in keeping the law. The law is our schoolmaster to bring us (sinners) to Christ, that we may be justified by faith (Galatians 3:24).
I will emphasise that God loves the sinner and He shows His love for that sinner by having the Gospel go out into all the world but, if anyone rejects His offer of salvation and reconciliation through His Son the wrath of God remains on him. All those from the first Adam down are sinners and are already condemned. Jesus said as much in John 3:17-19 (ESV) . Read Romans 5.
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.
The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin, righteousness and judgement (John 16:8-12). How does He convict? When the heart of the sinner is measured up against the Word of God through the preaching of the Word and the sharing of the Gospel. We are instructed to do this in Matthew 28:18-20. The 10 commandments are Gods moral law and do we find anywhere there about homosexuality, no, but if we love the Lord our God with all our hearts, with all our soul, with all our minds and with all our strength then we can safely say that He who said that for a man to lie with another man in sex is abomination, then it is an abomination. Why, because He who cannot sin said it was.
Romans 1 clearly shows that homosexuality is a sin so read the whole chapter in context. those who refuse to obey the Gospel will be handed over to it and will be judged.
I hope this now puts clarity on what was said.
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Fella, you seem to have a real phobia going on inside your head, it's called homophobia. A phobia is defined as an irrational fear. It's seated in hatred and prejudice which is a good indicator of its source, Satan.
Why do so many Christians seem to stumble into the trap of telling an unbeliever to sort out the sin in his or her life, and then come to Jesus? Do you not think that's putting the cart before the horse?
Read Jesus's teaching on divorce in Matthew 5:31-32 and then read about Jesus's encounter with the woman at the well in John chapter 4. He chatted to her about how He could give her everlasting life. He didn't launch into a rant about her sinful lifestyle, tell her to go and sort it out and then come back. Then read John 8:1-11, Jesus refused to condem the woman caught in adultery and when all her accusers had gone He didn’t tell her to pack in her boyfriend and then come back. When I came to Jesus He didn't tell me to stop sinning, sort my life out and then come back to him.
Can you not see that you're phobic about gays? It's not pleasing to God and that should trouble you; you need to ask Him to heal you. If you do, I believe He will.
May God bless you.
