Nature change as perceived by believers and non-believers

[Tristan W]

What does a nature change, from those born of or into the Spirit, look like to non-believers? To believers?

Is it possible that those not in the Spirit see the ones that are in the Spirit [and now producing good God-given fruit] as a lie? Will they mock and hate that change? Will they run away from that change soul? Does it scare them?

Any insights? Any scripture?

 

[Chad4Him]

What does a nature change, from those born of or into the Spirit, look like to non-believers? To believers?

Is it possible that those not in the Spirit see the ones that are in the Spirit [and now producing good God-given fruit] as a lie? Will they mock and hate that change? Will they run away from that change soul? Does it scare them?

Any insights? Any scripture?

Ephesians 2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—3among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the bodya and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.b 4Butc God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

Here it talks about the change of nature - how at one point we "were by nature the children of wrath, like the rest of mankind" but now we are made alive and have a different purpose. We have different desires and mindsets, and so naturally, our path and the path of the world will diverge and go further apart as we grow in Christ.

 

[Bendito]

I finally figured out how to use these emoticons and stuff!
When I began to look into a new business, years ago, my family and friends started giving me a LOT of negative input. "What? You think you're better than us?" "Oh. You'll never succeed at that..." In my mind, there are two reasons people fight change. One is fear of the unknown, and the second is the fact that change will force them to change. I became a writer...Nobody near me, my Lady and my daughter excepted, is at all intereted in reading anything I write...Yet I look at my work and each piece is better than the last. Who knows....LOL People fight change but change is inevitable. Even for those who fight it. You grow, or you decline. Change.

 

[Tristan W]

I'll just put it out there...the closer I get with God, the angrier my wife becomes - it seems. I don't understand it! She is not happy. She blames me for EVERYTHING: being late for her work, ruining the family (when I was just told last week that one her sons called me dad - and I see drastic IMPROVEMENT in our blended family), making her oldest son run away (I knew him for 2 years of his life he is now 17), lying, playing games, that I am a bad person, everything I do I make worse, etc. It never seems to improve - the stuff that comes from her mouth.

We were both saved the within the same week. She may be jealous of my walk with the Lord!? It hurts me so much. I love her. I am trying and praying to love her in a holy love. I am extremely patient with her. I rarely raise my voice, and when I do it is more because I have passion for what I believe to be truth than being upset.

I am so confused. My Pastor says to trust that He put us together and to trust in the Lord - I pray that we glorify Him in our marriage. I mean this week I seen his glory from a disagreement that I finally gave to the Lord - is that part of that? [my Joy post in testimonials - I even made a song that day at home singing it aloud in the home and I chanted the Lord is so great to me!!!!!!] - she called me bi-polar in response.

The closer I get towards God she has called me bi-polar, that I am developing bad habits (I wish I new what these were that she was referring to), that I need therapy, that she can't forgive me because it is beyond reconciliation; I really am having God search me for my wickedness but he hasn't shown me that I have treated her unholy, yet anyway.

She gets extremely jealous when I am enjoying time with my children, especially my daughter. She tells her daughter that I cannot be trusted. Her daughter was just crying out to me for help the other day she said "look at me, everythings wrong with me" and I said "what's wrong with you, you are doing great" and my wife her mom says don't listen to him he is playing head games. She tells me that my daughter is going to grow up and have an abusive man just like you" in front of Elle too.

I think that she just wants me to serve her only, ANY disagreement we have, her fight is for divorce.

I am hanging on, here - please help, my people, the body of Christ!

 

[Chad4Him]

I'll just put it out there...the closer I get with God, the angrier my wife becomes - it seems. I don't understand it! She is not happy. She blames me for EVERYTHING: being late for her work, ruining the family (when I was just told last week that one her sons called me dad - and I see drastic IMPROVEMENT in our blended family), making her oldest son run away (I knew him for 2 years of his life he is now 17), lying, playing games, that I am a bad person, everything I do I make worse, etc. It never seems to improve - the stuff that comes from her mouth.

We were both saved the within the same week. She may be jealous of my walk with the Lord!? It hurts me so much. I love her. I am trying and praying to love her in a holy love. I am extremely patient with her. I rarely raise my voice, and when I do it is more because I have passion for what I believe to be truth than being upset.

I am so confused. My Pastor says to trust that He put us together and to trust in the Lord - I pray that we glorify Him in our marriage. I mean this week I seen his glory from a disagreement that I finally gave to the Lord - is that part of that? [my Joy post in testimonials - I even made a song that day at home singing it aloud in the home and I chanted the Lord is so great to me!!!!!!] - she called me bi-polar in response.

The closer I get towards God she has called me bi-polar, that I am developing bad habits (I wish I new what these were that she was referring to), that I need therapy, that she can't forgive me because it is beyond reconciliation; I really am having God search me for my wickedness but he hasn't shown me that I have treated her unholy, yet anyway.

She gets extremely jealous when I am enjoying time with my children, especially my daughter. She tells her daughter that I cannot be trusted. Her daughter was just crying out to me for help the other day she said "look at me, everythings wrong with me" and I said "what's wrong with you, you are doing great" and my wife her mom says don't listen to him he is playing head games. She tells me that my daughter is going to grow up and have an abusive man just like you" in front of Elle too.

I think that she just wants me to serve her only, ANY disagreement we have, her fight is for divorce.

I am hanging on, here - please help, my people, the body of Christ!

I don't really know what to say and maybe I should send you a private message instead and you can feel free to send me one if you wish.

I obviously don't know the whole story and am not a witness to how it is going in your marriage :smile: but I would say that maybe at this time in your Christian life you need to make sure you are doing 110% in your marriage relationship and make sure you wife knows you love her.. as opposed to getting into too much spiritual debate with her. Maybe I am way off.... Go the second and third mile. It isn't about religion, it's about relationship and this reaches into our relationship in the home where we unconditionally love.

 

[Bendito]

I'll just put it out there...the closer I get with God, the angrier my wife becomes - it seems. I don't understand it! She is not happy. She blames me for EVERYTHING: being late for her work, ruining the family (when I was just told last week that one her sons called me dad - and I see drastic IMPROVEMENT in our blended family), making her oldest son run away (I knew him for 2 years of his life he is now 17), lying, playing games, that I am a bad person, everything I do I make worse, etc. It never seems to improve - the stuff that comes from her mouth.

We were both saved the within the same week. She may be jealous of my walk with the Lord!? It hurts me so much. I love her. I am trying and praying to love her in a holy love. I am extremely patient with her. I rarely raise my voice, and when I do it is more because I have passion for what I believe to be truth than being upset.

I am so confused. My Pastor says to trust that He put us together and to trust in the Lord - I pray that we glorify Him in our marriage. I mean this week I seen his glory from a disagreement that I finally gave to the Lord - is that part of that? [my Joy post in testimonials - I even made a song that day at home singing it aloud in the home and I chanted the Lord is so great to me!!!!!!] - she called me bi-polar in response.

The closer I get towards God she has called me bi-polar, that I am developing bad habits (I wish I new what these were that she was referring to), that I need therapy, that she can't forgive me because it is beyond reconciliation; I really am having God search me for my wickedness but he hasn't shown me that I have treated her unholy, yet anyway.

She gets extremely jealous when I am enjoying time with my children, especially my daughter. She tells her daughter that I cannot be trusted. Her daughter was just crying out to me for help the other day she said "look at me, everythings wrong with me" and I said "what's wrong with you, you are doing great" and my wife her mom says don't listen to him he is playing head games. She tells me that my daughter is going to grow up and have an abusive man just like you" in front of Elle too.

I think that she just wants me to serve her only, ANY disagreement we have, her fight is for divorce.

I am hanging on, here - please help, my people, the body of Christ!

You have to know this, my friend. Its not exactly your wife fighting you here. Its the enemy, Satan and his minions, that is attacking you, trying to make you drop the 'insanity' of Christianity. Satan will use anything and anybody to tear you down. If your wife is not saved, she is still a part of the family of Satan and is a pawn to his lies. Keep praying to God for His strength, His love to flow through you and His Word to grow in you as you put His Word into you. That way your wife can be won to Him and the entire family as well. We'll keep you in prayer as well.

 

[Tristan W]

You have to know this, my friend. Its not exactly your wife fighting you here. Its the enemy, Satan and his minions, that is attacking you, trying to make you drop the 'insanity' of Christianity. Satan will use anything and anybody to tear you down. If your wife is not saved, she is still a part of the family of Satan and is a pawn to his lies. Keep praying to God for His strength, His love to flow through you and His Word to grow in you as you put His Word into you. That way your wife can be won to Him and the entire family as well. We'll keep you in prayer as well.

Thank you kind sir, my brother. I will and I shall do those things. My Pastor tells me this too [that it isn't my wife but the Devil, and that none of it is personal]. Thank you and that is wonderful you speak on the same accord.

 

[Tristan W]

I don't really know what to say and maybe I should send you a private message instead and you can feel free to send me one if you wish.

I obviously don't know the whole story and am not a witness to how it is going in your marriage :smile: but I would say that maybe at this time in your Christian life you need to make sure you are doing 110% in your marriage relationship and make sure you wife knows you love her.. as opposed to getting into too much spiritual debate with her. Maybe I am way off.... Go the second and third mile. It isn't about religion, it's about relationship and this reaches into our relationship in the home where we unconditionally love.

I will PM you kind sir.

 

[Bendito]

Thank you kind sir, my brother. I will and I shall do those things. My Pastor tells me this too [that it isn't my wife but the Devil, and that none of it is personal]. Thank you and that is wonderful you speak on the same accord.

Ephesians 6:11-13 (CJB)
11 Use all the armor and weaponry that God provides, so that you will be able to stand against the deceptive tactics of the Adversary. 12 For we are not struggling against human beings, but against the rulers, authorities and cosmic powers governing this darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realm. 13 So take up every piece of war equipment God provides; so that when the evil day comes, you will be able to resist; and when the battle is won, you will still be standing.

 

[Tristan W]

Ephesians 6:11-13 (CJB)
11 Use all the armor and weaponry that God provides, so that you will be able to stand against the deceptive tactics of the Adversary. 12 For we are not struggling against human beings, but against the rulers, authorities and cosmic powers governing this darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realm. 13 So take up every piece of war equipment God provides; so that when the evil day comes, you will be able to resist; and when the battle is won, you will still be standing.

Thank you I will God willing get into the scriptures this evening. I will review this.

 

[Bendito]

Thank you I will God willing get into the scriptures this evening. I will review this.

:smile: God is willing for you to get into the Word. Go for it. and have fun. He wants to be your teacher...So listen to the Holy Spirit.

 

[Sue D.]

Tristan W -- what brought you to get married the 2nd time. You said you have a blended family which means you were both married previously. Or maybe widowed / widower?!

 

[Hiswillbedone]

What does a nature change, from those born of or into the Spirit, look like to non-believers? To believers?

Is it possible that those not in the Spirit see the ones that are in the Spirit [and now producing good God-given fruit] as a lie? Will they mock and hate that change? Will they run away from that change soul? Does it scare them?

Any insights? Any scripture?

It's all about how we are walking. Are we walking by the spirit of God, or are we walking by the flesh.

In peace