Need advice

[evan]

My husband is a temporary UCC pastor, I am praying he does not accept a permanant position at this church. I am not involved with the church out of fear of God. The first lady of the church (me) is absent.
The United Chuch of Christ on a national level make great boasts about how they are "open and affirming to the gay community".
These churches are ordaining gay pastors and the momentum continues.
I love my husband dearly but I told him I cannot follow him into ministry into this "church".
I question if I have made the right decision? Do I or don't I follow him to ministry or just find my own church in the same city.

I told him if I do go to church with him I will feel obligated to the Lord to openly tell the church officers homosexuality is an obomination to God and they need to repent of the sin of entering into the UCC denomination, and that they need to immediately call the UCC office and tell them they need to withdraw their affiliation with the UCC list of churches.

There is another option for me.

First I will tell a little about the church background. This 100 year old restored church is nestled in the middle of small country town. When people dicide they want go to church they don't understand the church background, they just want to get closer to God so they go to this church. The biggest and prettiest church in town. These are people who don't know Jesus. I could lead these people to Jesus, let them know the church background and what the scripture says about homosexuality and let them dicide if they want to stay.
If my husband does not accept a permanant position, a gay pastor could take it.
My husband and I are from a non-denominational born again background but we are from different conviction with our views. My husband believes gay people are born that way, I do not believe they are born that way.

I am intersted in your thoughts

 

[eddieb]

its called alternative lifestyle. meaning by their own words it is a choice.

my first reaction is right on dont have nothing to do with that. and only worship with people of pure hearts.
but i aint gonna say that to you. you seek God on this. maybe God wants you there to lead some to Christ. maybe not. but if God says dont do it, well lets just say the bible does say the husband IS to consider what his wife has to say. not saying leave him. not saying that at all. definitly pray for him to be receptive to The Holy spirits leading on this. that his eyes would be opened for any thing that God disaproves of. but you follow God on this. if he says yay or nay.

 

[evan]

Thanks

Thanks Eddieb

I have actually thought about leaving him, your advice is very sound and helpful I will pray for my husband to do the right thing, and I will continue seeking God and the leading of the Holy Spirit. I is good to get confirmation that I am on the right path I wasn't sure.

 

[Brighthouse]

My first question is.YOUR!! husband is a preacher??? He is saying God made gay people???Tell him to do all of us a favor and step down from the ministry! RARE!!!! I ever issue an all out rebuke!! But you said your husband is a pastor! Please ask him for chapter and verse on what he believes!!

If God created gays,then God must of created Lesbians as well! I do not remember 2 men or 2 women in the garden do you?? What God changed his mind?? Here is your real problem!! If he takes on this, and believes this, he is taking you with him whether you go to that Church or Not!( 1 cor 5:3-6!!) a little leaven leavens the whole lump,how do you expect the Lord will react?? YOU KNOW!!! You have every reason to be fearful! FOR HIM!

I always want to encourage another!! But here???HOW?? Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked;for whatsoever a man sows, this will he also reap!

I never thought in all of my time spent here,I would ever hear of a so called pastor believing what he does?? He can find no chapter or no verse to base his beliefs on!! Which is why many churches do not have a lampstand in there Church!! God has removed it until they repent!! rev 2:4-5!

I hope you my dear sister will forgive the very harsh tone in these words!! But I cannot encourage a brother in the Lord to outright sin against our Lord! If I did not speak this truth in love,God would hold me accountable!! I want none of his blood on my hands! he had better wake from his sleep!! (rom 13:11-14!!) There is such a lesson called divine abandonment!! rom 1:24-32!!! Please!! For the love of God have him read this!

To tolorate members in sin, one might as well be one as well! To outsiders, that is different!! They are not members! They will either run out of the Church, or run to the alter! That is what God's Power and lampstand do in a right Church! If I ask you to take me to the bank, and I rob the bank, then come back into your car, and say thanks please drive me home,and you do,and we get stopped by the Police,YOU!! are as guilty as I am! Guilty by association! That is the Law,in the Spirit world, the law is the same for a believer who would allow his members to outright sin!

Which is just what he would be doing! Now, as for you dear sister!! I hope your husband reads this!!! It is FOR HIM!! NOT YOU!! YOU!! understand! Be comforted in this dear sister!! I myself will pray with you!!Matt 18:19!! He will not be a pastor anymore until he understands what a true pastor is! If he does not take heed to these words,then he will receive what he has sown. he will cry and be very sad! And he will wonder why me God?? he will cry out, and will receive no answer!

Then he will know I have spoken from the Lord Jesus in me! My prayers and love of Jesus are with you dear sister!! Now my question to myself!! Do I post this or not!! I wish I had not read this!!! Yes I am going to post this. With one statement. This has deeply sadden me! I hope Evan as mad as I have become over this,it was never directed to you! I have faults as well!many! Far from perfect!

But I am no pastor either! Nor claim to be one! Grace and love are given by me to all! I cannot ever remember me saying anything like this,as many hear will amen this! I LOVE!! This even in anger is given in this. Being a Pastor is a rare office indeed! Great responsibility, and a lot of work and time spent! Do not throw this office all away because you do not wish to offend people!! Jesus made a lot of people mad at him! God is a man of his Word!! And if you take on the role as one of his pastors, you represent HIM! He will not take this lightly!! be warned in love!

 

[AbbysAunt]

Hi Evan,

When God breathed the breath of life into man...He said it is not good for him to be alone and made him a helpmate...so God took a rib from the man and made a woman. Adam and Eve were the first people..that is how God intended it to be. If it is as your husband thinks then why didn't God create two men or two women? Homosexuality is a choice. Its a choice that will in the end destroy a person in more ways than one and I would not want to be the one who is preaching that it is ok or the one condoning it. It's not our place to judge that is up to God, but we are not to condone what we know is wrong and as children of God, are here on earth to share His light and truth...sometimes the truth isn't what we want to hear infact most times it's not but out of love we must tell the truth and let it be heard. Let's say we are in a car and the driver is going way to fast right toward a cliff...are we going to sit there and say " oh its ok if you drive over that cliff nothing will happen" or are we out of love going to say " wait! stop this car if you keep going toward that cliff you will die" Most of us would say we would tell the person to stop the car and because why? Because we are not willing that something happen to someone we care about. So, it is with God's truth..we share it because we are
just as the Lord living in us is...not willing that any suffer. For a church to teach it is acceptable to be homosexual or condone it is wrong...the truth is in the bible about this lifestyle..God calls it an abomination and to teach someone that it not wrong is to lead them astray and in doing so leading them into destruction and that will only lead those who preach this falsehood into destruction as well and your husband needs to understand this. Here is what the very written word of God says about this in the book of Matthew.

Matthew 18:6-7 Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to the man by whom the offense comes!

What this means is this...if we knowing the truth don't share that true then we ourselves
become a stumbling block to those who not only are new in their walk with our Lord Jesus,but to those who have grown in their walk with our Lord and if we become that stumbling block and they stray then their blood is our hands because we did not in love share the truth of our Lord with them. Please understand I am in no way judging anyone here I just don't want your husband to get caught up in something that could end up hurting him. The truth is you both need to find another church because any church that condones homosexuality is not one to be in or part of because they are not preaching the word of God. Churches want to preach God is love...Our God is love but He will not and cannot condone sin and that includes homosexuality...He loves the sinner but not the sin..this is what the church needs to be teaching they need to teach God's truth and
only God's truth.

I agree with eddieb..keep on praying for your husband that his eyes, heart, mind and spiritual eyes be opened to those things that are not of God and that God disproves of and he through our Lord would make the right decision for not only himself but for you as well. I will also be lifting you up on prayer evan that you find continual peace knowing that God is in control over this situation and will walk beside you, lead and guide you to in fullfilling that which He has planned for you and your husband to do.

God bless you both now and and always
AA

 

[evan]

Update it's a miracle

On New Year Day my husband and I met up with a friend to "catch up" This friend said he is coming off a fast the Lord had him on. My husband said my wife and I are in disagreement I would like your advice about accepting the UCC church pastorate. My friend was familiar with the UCC stand on homosexuality. Our friend told my husband listen to your wife about withdrawing your application, she's right. He told my husband "you are on "ground zero". Our friend was very blunt and harsh with my husband concerning his determination to become a UCC pastor, our friend told my husband "do not accept the position as a UCC pastor." On the drive home my husband would not talk to me, instead spoke to friends on the phone. He took a sharp rebuke from our friend, he was upset. On the phone he talked to friends about how is going to be a UCC pastor. I kept silent and loving. The next day my husband came up to me and told me he is going to withdraw his application to become a UCC pastor because he believes our friend spoke from God. It's a miracle. Thank you for your prayers and support.

 

[AbbysAunt]

Praise God! I am so joyous for you evan and your husband as well. Our Lord is so good and faithful to hear our paryers and petitions and then to answer them. Without Him do or achieve nothing, but through and with Him all things are possible! Your testimony is a wonderful testimony to what God can and will do and how He can and will use others to help open our spiritual eyes, hearts and minds to what is His will and what we need to change in our lives. I am sooooooo Thankful to God for this and Thankful to God for what He has done for each of us and in our lives.

You both are continually in my thoughts and prayers always! God bless you more and more abundantly than ever before now and always!

 

[JEM]

Wow.

Stay with your husband and research the Biblical justifications for divorce. This is definitely not one of them!

Also, we're called to worship in spirit and truth. Worship God along side your husband but tell him and the elders/deacons/pastoral selection committee/congregation the truth, that the entire Bible is true and sin exists and God hates sin.

 

[Sheep]

Dear Sister in Christ.

Love covers all. That I know for a fact.

Homosexuality is wrong yes. No doubt about that. But we are going to get nowhere if we move ourselves away from them. Jesus once asked me (in almost the same situation) he said: "sheep, how would they be able to see My light and love, if you don't want to go into the darkness?..." This shoock me so hard. I was immediatly back on my post.

But yes, my mission is not your mission. Different duties for different tools of the Lord.

Those people will see something else in you. For you must understand, everyone rejects them. Jesus can't reach them if everyone He calls to them runs away.
But you have to make it clear that, you are a daughter of the Most High!! They need to know that very well. Say nothing about Homosexuality being wrong. Leave the judging and accusing to the Holy Spirit, those are one of His main tasks here on earth, to accuse and judge so that it will lead to repentance.

Let the Light of Jesus shine through you my sister so that all will see. It might take a while, even years. But I believe that God is in control of everything in our lives, even the little things and He called you for this I believe. He had faith in you to do this.

But at the end of all that I said. I'm still human. Please consult the Holy Spirit about this and what I said and He will give you an answer and peace on your decision.

Blessings to you in our Lord Jesus Christ.

sheep

 

[evan]

Thank you for your prayers AA. It was a miraculous change. I prayed for my husband to change like "Paul" changed on the road to Damascus and the Lord did just that, it's a miracle.
JEM, I agree I need to stop thinking about divorce, I was in much pain, but divorce is not the answer. Especially since I love my husband so much.
Sheep, I also agree with you. I told the Lord I was willing to be a UCC pastors wife but I guess the Lord had other ideas for our future indicating it by sending a prophet to my husband telling him the Lord does not want him to become a UCC pastor, the next day my husband said, " our friend who told me not to become a pastor of the UCC church was used as a prophet from the Lord". This experience prepared me for a call into "darkness" if that is God's will in the future, but the next time we will go out "two by two" united in Christ.
I appreciate everybody's comments sooo much. I feel so encouraged by your prayers and caring comments and agree with what you are saying completely because we are of one mind in Christ. The last three years the Lord has had me in a place where He has shut the door on me for all fellowship with the body of Christ. During the last three years I did a study on Jonah and went through my own self -examination in the Lord. My husband and I have been out of fellowship for three years now and after this experience he is now looking for a church with serious, true believers, just like we have been going to the last 30 years of our marriage. The Lord promised me He would "raise my husband from the dead" (Spiritual death) and the Lord truly performed this miracle. His promises are true when He says "Judgment begins with the House of God". The last three years my Husband and I have been truly judged. Throughout my three year church fast I tried to keep in mind the Lord's truth "We are not unaware of the devils schemes." But other times it was too hard to fight back spiritual forces alone. During those three years all my attempts to get into "fellowship" was thwarted in one form or another. During those three years in the desert we came within inches of a full scale divorce, ( I will spare you all the details.) but the Lord has brought us out and into his marvarlous light.

Please pray for the Pastorate in your church, Satan is working over time to destroy Pastors and their wives. In this case he failed completely. To God be the glory.

 

[serioussister]

awesome! I am doing a fast right now and I'm so excited about the prayer times that I've been having. I just joined this group and you thread was the first I have read. I have to say it's great to start off with a praise report in an area of concern that it so much a problem in our current culture. Praising God with you!

 

[evan]

Thanks for your feedback serioussister. I'm glad you joined this group.