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Katzie

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Greetings,

As some of you know my daughter just came home this week from Rehab after 3 months of being in one of the toughest Rehabs in the State.

She has two very close very strong Christian male friends her age that she spent time with the first night she was home. Now they had all these expectations for her to go to Bible Study and spend time with them everyday reading the Bible and praying.

On day two and three she had taken my car to go do things that should have only taken a few hours and did not return either night. Then she told me these stories that felt like lies to me and she also told her friends the same.

As it turned out since I insisted on going with her today I found out the truth which was she was spending time with a guy she met in Rehab and ran into him the first day she had my car. She didn't want to tell anyone because he is not saved. When she told me, I told her that the lying and keeping my car out all night was behavior of an addict and she was wrong for doing that and she needed to repent. As for the guy, she has been witnessing to him and his friends and he is open to it and I told her that is between her and Jesus. That if she sins when she is with him then she is wrong.

Her friends refuse to believe that the guy was the reason for the lies. They feel that she has relapsed and they wanted her to take a Drug Test. She refused because she said she just got out of Rehab and she didn't want to live like she was in Rehab at home. Her friends then said "well when you decide to live for Jesus, give us a call".

Now, isn't that judging? As in "Judge not, least ye be judged?" First of all they are basing their feeling, on calling her last night while she was asleep and how she sounded and on the lying, not answering her cell phone and not letting anyone know where she is behavior.

Everyone struggles with sin and no one is perfect. How can you accuse someone of not being a Christian because they are struggling with sin?

I really need help here. I've been searching the scriptures all day, I even read something on here called "Don't Judge, Lest you be judged". It had reasons to Judge and reasons not to Judge and in the end I was still confused.

I thank you in advance for your help.

Love in Christ,
Katzie
 
Now they had all these expectations for her to ...

As a mother, I would tell her friends its "not all about them."
If they are going to try to manipulate and control her, and demand she meet "their" expectations, they are not the kind of friends a parent wants for their children, whether Christian or otherwise. Believe it or not, my children had so called "christian" friends who were more of a hindrance to their personal walk with God, than a help.

"well when you decide to live for Jesus, give us a call".

That translates into "when you decide to do what we want you to do, give us a call"


As for the guy, she has been witnessing to him and his friends and he is open to it and I told her that is between her and Jesus
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This is wonderful! You couldnt be more right. I have learned something crucial as a parent, showing a little bit of faith in ones children, goes a long way, regardless of their age, or how much they`ve messed up. I`ve watched parents who keep their children beaten down by constantly reminding them of their mistakes...i`m not sure how far I would have got if God did that to me...one thing for sure, I would have given up long ago.

Your daughter sounds like shes come a long way, she deserves praise for that, and encouragement to continue to make the right choices, not constant reminders of how she messed up.

Bless you Katzie
 
Greetings Katzie,

ah, the myriad of directions, the extent of our searching, the countless angles to percieve...

Should we 'judge' the friends in our proclamations, should we judge your beloved daughter, should we judge even you... or folks like me?

Let us look at things from an understanding heart, and also from the Heart of Hearts, Jesus our Lord and King.

Along the road that is much travelled, from differing places folks call out thier views, and often reflect their own level of faith in understanding and from that we hear words that appear judgemental and even hurting.

The friends, if friends, are suggesting a hard discipline, believing that it will, in some way, encourage your daughter to do the right thing, on the off-chance that she is not doing so now.

You have spoken to her, your own daughter, and told her of need to repent.... she has who else who won't pass some level of condemnation?

Her new friend, who would sympathise with her on levels that only those who have been there might be able to fathom.....

AND..... Jesus.

So, will she hear both, and if he is not Christian, what will he comfort her with, not suggesting he is not capable to love her the best he can, and mean well for her wellbeing and future. Or will she hear Jesus, who only knows all her deep and personal needs.

Will your daughter see and hear Jesus in you and her friends.


You wrote,

Everyone struggles with sin and no one is perfect. How can you accuse someone of not being a Christian because they are struggling with sin?

Survival in life is an addiction and most will go to any length, if threatened by others, to avoid accusations.

I recently spoke to a man who is facing an unpleasant jail sentence. He has been addicted to substance for over thirty years and the only time he has been 'free' from this
addiction that binds him, is while seving time some years ago. He went back to it, and now will be seperated from his children for years because of it. He is not happy.

People usually expect the worse when dealing with addicts who struggle with the habit and portray lack of trust and are quick to condemn.... and mostly, this sort of 'help' just doesn't help, but rather initiates a desperate plunge straight back into the hole they just crawled out from.

Please may I encourage you to not worry so much about what others think, but to love your daughter with the love you have for her, letting her know that you are there, and you are glad to have her.
Continue in prayer and seeking the Lord each day, in every way, knowing He cares for you and your daughter, and that you have brothers and sisters here who stand by you in prayer and love in Christ.

Bless you ....><>


Br. Bear
 
That translates into "when you decide to do what we want you to do, give us a call"
That is word for word what my daughter said and she continued with when did they become sin free?
This is wonderful! You couldnt be more right. I have learned something crucial as a parent, showing a little bit of faith in ones children, goes a long way, regardless of their age, or how much they`ve messed up. I`ve watched parents who keep their children beaten down by constantly reminding them of their mistakes...i`m not sure how far I would have got if God did that to me...one thing for sure, I would have given up long ago.
Thank you Coconut!! I am a firm believer in positive reinforcement. I told her she was starting with a clean slate here, I told her I was very proud of her for completing the program that she did voluntarily. She knows the only thing I told her she had to repent from was the lying and disobeying curfew. I will not accuse her of relapsing based on that, there is no evidence of it and honestly her behavior would be so much worse if that was true.

Please may I encourage you to not worry so much about what others think, but to love your daughter with the love you have for her, letting her know that you are there, and you are glad to have her.
Continue in prayer and seeking the Lord each day, in every way, knowing He cares for you and your daughter, and that you have brothers and sisters here who stand by you in prayer and love in Christ.
Thank you Brother Bear for all that you shared with me. You are absolutely right.....I should NOT be worried about what other people think. I don't need to convince them that they are wrong, I don't need to act on what they think, all I need is to know that all of it is in God's hands. He has never failed me and He never will.

I do feel bad for my daughter because she needs friends who WILL encourage her and those were her only two close Christian friends, but again I will put this in God's hands to lead her to new Christian friends and to provide for all of her needs in Jesus name.

Bless you both Coconut and Brother Bear

Katzie
 
I agree with Coconut and Brother Bear.

It seems to me that those Christian friends are still having a hard time. It seems that they think 'oh she'll be the same person...needing us so much' and now that your daughter is out of Rehab and she DOESN'T 'need' them like that anymore...they don't know what to do.

They might be saying 'Ahhhhhhh who changed her???'

I really don't know...I'm just guessing here. People who have friends that change in huge ways don't always know what to do because they liked being 'in control' to some extent of what the relationship would be and they knew what your daughter was like. Now, they have no idea.

And yes, God will bring her new friends. Just pray. Prayer is the most powerful thing we have!

I wouldn't mind reaching out my hand being a friend to your daughter. I'm 27 and married. I don't know if your daughter has a computer or not. Let me know. I love meeting new people.

Blessings to you!
 
..fool me twice, shame on me.

Hi Katzie,
I feel for you.. and your daughters situation.

May I suggest you take the car issue head on. Be sure to put out your expectation of when the car's to be returned.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I don't know how old she is, but it's your car. Your guidelines and respective authority needs to be established, and the weight of your word, if she's to believe you.

For a responsibility as large as the car, think up some relevant consequence for her to consider if she disobeys.. such as loosing the priviledge to drive your car for, say, 24 hours. When (not if, she's already demonstrated that) she bucks against your guidelines once again, follow through with the consequence you previously put before her. This won't be easy, but it will help her begin to understand this is how life works.

Keeping the car out for any reason other than by your permission, is an act of unacceptable behavior. Period. No matter what the reason. Especially if she didn't even give you the courtesy of a phone call.

On day two and three she had taken my car to go do things that should have only taken a few hours and did not return either night. Then she told me these stories that felt like lies to me and she also told her friends the same.

As it turned out since I insisted on going with her today I found out the truth which was she was spending time with a guy she met in Rehab and ran into him the first day she had my car. She didn't want to tell anyone because he is not saved. When she told me, I told her that the lying and keeping my car out all night was behavior of an addict and she was wrong for doing that and she needed to repent. As for the guy, she has been witnessing to him and his friends and he is open to it and I told her that is between her and Jesus. That if she sins when she is with him then she is wrong.

Now, isn't that judging? As in "Judge not, least ye be judged?" First of all they are basing their feeling, on calling her last night while she was asleep and how she sounded and on the lying, not answering her cell phone and not letting anyone know where she is behavior.

Everyone struggles with sin and no one is perfect. How can you accuse someone of not being a Christian because they are struggling with sin?

I really need help here. I've been searching the scriptures all day, I even read something on here called "Don't Judge, Lest you be judged". It had reasons to Judge and reasons not to Judge and in the end I was still confused.


As to judging... That's a can of worms. Really.

You can't tell me any parent out there, reading this especially, hasn't had a moment of pause when a new boy friend came over to say 'hi'. We all do it. In the words of Martin Luther.. "...judged by the content of our character ". We all do it, and there is a healthy kind of judging. If your daughter is a teenager, in my book she doesn't need to be out evangelizing any teenage boys.

I've been apart of men's groups for over a decade now and boys are just as human saved, as unsaved. Not judging here, just bein' real. The temptation today for teens is overwhelming on their systems. Why encourage such time for the two of them being spent alone.


Lastly, not being a Christian has nothing to do with sin, per say. It has to do with the Holy Spirit revealing the need for redemption.
 
Pt 1

THIS WAS VERY LONG POST, SO ITS GONNA BE A PT 1 & PT 2

PART 1:
Hey my brothers and sisters in Christ!

This is Katzie's daughter, Kelly and I felt compelled to respond to this post myself, since it is after all, about me. :)

I wanted to first and foremost those who responded and gave their advice and opinions, it was greatly appreciated by my mother and also to me. She shared it with me today and it made me want to start signing back on TalkJesus again. I hadn't been on TalkJesus since August and it was long overdue (I left for a drug rehab facility in August and I just recently came home a couple weeks ago and haven't had acess to a computer regulary until a couple days ago). Okay, so heres the deal, my story.

I was away for 3 months in a very strict therapuetic community drug facility. It was a very hard thing to go thru, probably one of the hardest things I have ever had to endure in my entire life and I have went thru a lot of hard things in my life from living on the streets (due to my addiction), to being in jail several upon several times(again, due to bad decision making due to my addiction) and this was probably the worst believe it or not. This was a secular program, I had prayed and prayed to the Lord on help and guidance in trying to get me into the right program for myself, the one that was going to benefit me the best.

Over the past 3 years, myself and my family had been trying to get myself into treatment, and there was always something that happened that got into my way w/getting into treatment.
Over the summer upon going into treatment, I had spent a majority of time with my good friends Anthony, Gerry and Krissy. Anthony, I had met in the rooms of NA early in the summer, and he had expressed his love for the Lord and him and I shared the same faith, so it was nice to meet someone in NA (Narcotics Anonymous) who shared the same love for Jesus, b/c NA is a spiritual program, not a religious program, and religion and God is not spoken about much there. It's more so, "Higher Power" and so forth.
So, I was very excited to meet Anthony.

He had recently gotten saved a month or two prior to me meeting him and he was really on fire for the Lord, but very early in his walk. I have been saved since 1997, but have back slide time and time again, but in May of 08, I decided to really rededicate my life to the Lord. So, meeting Anthony was a true blessing for me, because I had finally found someone I could fellowship in the Lord with, and we would spend countless hours on the phone going over scripture and for awhile, he was my only close friend besides my mother I could really fellowship in the Lord with.
I started attending his church every Sunday and then every Tuesday and Thursday go to Praise and Worship services. At that point, I had met a christian female from that church named Krissy, who I became good friends with as well. But, her friendship wasn't as tight as Anthony and I's.

Then during the middle of the summer, at a church event, Krissy had invited her friend Gerry and as it turned out, I knew Gerry from my ex b/f Mike, and I always knew him to be this strong man of God, and there were several times over the years, I would go on Myspace and see Gerry's myspace and want to reach out to him about getting back involved in the church and walk with God and stuff, but I never did, so I was excited with this oppurtinity to see him again.
From this day on, myself, Gerry, Anthony, and Krissy began to hang out all the time. Gerry took a extreme liking to Anthony and asked Anthony if he wanted to be a disciple under him. Anthony had been struggling with a lot of lust issues, looking @ porn, having sex, lustful desires in general, masturbation, etc etc, cursing, smoking cigarettes, etc. As time went on, and he really pressed into God and was being disciplined under Gerry, he started to be delivered from a lot of these things. As the summer went on for me, I was back and forth, back and forth. Gerry had said how he used to be addicted to drugs, and had to take medication for mental disease and how he used to be a homosexual and have HIV and Jesus healed him from all these things and how He can do the same from me as well.

I began to feel very incompetent around my friends, including Anthony because although even though I backslide in my life, I always felt strong in my faith and knew I loved Jesus with all my heart and did the best I could, at times, I felt like it wasn't good enough and I was a "less than" Christian then them because I didn't pray in tongues, and the rest of them did.
Gerry infact told me that every Christian needs to pray in tongues and if they don't, they aren't truly praying because they aren't being spirit filled. It made me feel very bad about myself and my walk with God because in all my years, I've never spoke in tongues, and I never recalled hearing anywhere that you needed to speak in tongues in order to "truly" pray and from what I know and recall, God gives people gifts, some people have the gift of tongues, some have of translation of tongues, some of prophecy, some of discernment, etc. I have the gift of discernment, and for the long time the enemy made me believe that the discernment was actually paranoia and I was always thinking that I was just thinking crazy thoughts and I never wanted to share my gift because I was afraid to.

But, anyways, Gerry would always battle me about that with some scripture and his churches beliefs, and since Anthony also spoke in tongues now too, I felt like it was pointless for me to continue arguing about that anymore. So, I tried to do other things instead. I tried to stop taking my medication for bi-polar disorder because Gerry said mental disease is a demon anyways, and Jesus is a healer and if I truly believe, then I can be healed. And of course, I wanted to be healed.
Gerry, Anthony and Krissy would pray for me often, and also pray for healing for my addiction.

They also tried to tell me that going to NA wasn't exactly good for me anymore because NA doesn't have many Christians there and Jesus is a healer and He can help me better then any room full of addicts, sinful living addicts can, so I pretty much stopped going to NA meetings and would just go to church and church services during the week and maybe I would attend a church based 12 step meeting but unfortunately it wasn't my time and it all backfired in my face basically and it led me to go back out there and relapse towards the end of the summer and start using drugs and display my normal addict behavior of lying. Because I was trying to live a double life for awhile and convince everyone that what I was doing was working because I felt like if I told anyone it wasn't working and I did relapse that it would just prove to them all again how "less than" of a Christian I really was.

So, I finally started getting honest, and I would get honest and do right for awhile and cry and beg and plead with God and have my friends pray over me and I would stay clean for a week or so and then I'd go and do the same thing.
I felt like such a failure because Anthony and I had met Gerry around the same time, and although when Anthony met Gerry, he had 18 months clean time already and I only had 2, our walk with God was pretty much similiar and he had just taken off and was on fire and just absorbed everything Gerry had to say to him and I felt like there was something wrong with me, so I felt a ,lot of shame and for the first time in my life, I felt like maybe I didn't have a good relationship with God like I thought I did because look at them and their relationship with God and look @ me?

So, finally I went into the rehab, after praying and praying and the doors opening up for this rehab 3 different occassions, I knew altho it was a secular program, it was the program God had wanted me to go into because there was things I needed to recieve there that I would not be able to receive other places I suppose.

Before going there, I had a little going away party and everyone was great to me, and told me how much they would miss me and everyone was crying and told me how they would be in prayer constantly for me and how they would write me etc etc. Even thru all this, and all the changes, Anthony and I still maintained a closer relationship, I still leaned on him more than anyone else, and we still even struggled with certain issues together. We both struggled bad with lust issues and at times, we struggled with them for each other, but never acted out on them, but sometimes we would watch movies together and cuddle and the cuddling would turn into more then friendly and one time we kissed, and we felt so convicted, I literally threw up and we both cried for hours and repented, and we got thru it.
Gerry had grown very jealous of our relationship and never wanted Anthony and I to ever hang out alone and if we did, he was always calling all the time, infact, Gerry never wanted Anthony out of his sight period, he just wanted to be around Anthony all the time, just claiming that he was his best friend, but discernment led me to feel something else, but I've never said anything. But, I believe Gerry might have more than a just friend feeling and I've had this feeling since the summer. But, anyways.

I went to the program, and at first I hated every minute of it and I hated that it was secular and not Christian and I really felt so much evil and demonic influences all around in there and it was destroying me at first. The enemy worked so hard at trying to keep me around from the Lord.

At first they completely banned reading the Bible other than in your room, and you had to be out of your room at 6:30am and back in your room at 9pm and lights out a half hour later and in that short time you had time to shower and read the bible. That really upset me and I was getting discouraged on a daily basis because I never had time to read the bible and I felt like I was really getting disconnected because there was barely any Christians there to fellowship with, but then there was a service that started to come every Sunday and they would come and do a bible study and other wonderful things, and it was really nice and it really helped out a lot.
The program itself had taught me a lot of things about myself that I would have never learned in any other program, it was all about behavior modification, and in this world and in my addictive lifestyle, I picked up many behaviors that I didn't even know I displayed, so this program pointed them out and then put you on a path to correct them. As much as you might have hated to hear it at first.

For a long time, men would always treat me like a piece of meat and very sexual, and I never could understand why. Yes, I became a sexual person later in life, but men would just treat me like that without me even saying two words out of my mouth and I would always wonder, "why?" This program taught me that the way I walked, talked, sat, etc, portrayed a sexual way about myself and that is why men treated me the way they did. It's not just words that come out of your mouth or how you dress, but things you don't even know that you are doing, like body language, tone in your voice, how you cross your legs, playing with your hair, everything!

When I entered that program, I had tons of lustful desires and struggled with that on a daily basis, this program was co-ed, but if you even so much as looked at a guy, you got in trouble, and if you talked to a guy, forget about it, even more trouble.
So, I learned how to completely control my lustful desires and then ultimately, they were removed. So, like I said, God puts us places for a reason, and I needed to be in this place for many reason, but those two reasons above were 2 big examples of how that place helped me in ways I didn't even think about because I was entering a drug rehab, I thought I would just get help on how to stay off drugs, I never would have imagined the other things. Not to mention how I found peace of mind from painful childhood memories by talking about things I never spoke about in my life, etc. It helped a lot.

Anyways, coming home from the program, I discovered Anthony and Gerry had cut Krissy off because she had chose to start going with a man who she was with previously who did nothing but use and abuse her and he was doing the same now, and it was causing her to lie and steal and do all sorts of messed up things, so Anthony and Gerry basically told her until you're ready to live for God, we can't be around you. I tried to contact her since I've been out, but she hasn't gotten back to me.

Upon coming home though, I might mention that Anthony and Gerry, my "best friends" wrote me all but 1 time, a letter that one of them typed out together that was one page. This is from 2 guys that haven't had a job the entire time I was gone, nor had one all summer, nor still have one and told me they would be there for me and write me all the time, and they wrote me one time. I gave that to God though and let that go, cuz I've been away before and never received a letter, but that was before I had Christian friends in my life and I was doing good, so I was told I should expect different this time, luckily I didn't, so I wasn't that let down.

While I was in this program, I also might add I finally felt like I could act like the Christian I felt inside. I felt comfortable praying outloud with girls who needed it because I didn't feel like I was going to be judged because I wasn't speaking it in tongues, and people in the facility were always complimenting me on my strong faith and always coming to me for spiritual guidance and it made me feel good inside that people thought I had something offer and I could help them, from what I normally felt on the outside around my friends, which was the spiritual weakling and hinderance.

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Anyways, Gerry and Anthony told me how proud they were of me for completing the program and how they've noticed such a change in me but slowly but surely they would say how the program had brainwashed me with some things as well. They don't like how I feel I need to attend NA meetings and how when I go to NA meetings, I announce myself as an addict.

When I met Anthony, I met him at NA! But, since he has been discipiling under Gerry, he recieves anything Gerry has to say. They both believe that Jesus is the ultimate healer and that you don't need to go to NA if you believe in Jesus and you don't need to make declarations of death on yourself by saying you're an addict b/c that is like spitting in God's face.

I personally believe I need God first and foremost in my life and I put him first and a program that works for me is God first, NA second. You need God/Jesus for your spirituality/religious needs and wants but for me and for an oppurtunity for fellowship w/people who believe what I believe, but I need to go to NA for my recovery needs and to fellowship/network with people who have similiar issues that I do because the whole program of NA working is based on one addict helping another addict, it's without parallel.

For me, saying I'm addict, I'm saying I'm in recovery. I will always have addict like behavior. I'm not saying I am chained down with a drug addiction forever, but addict is a vast word and can mean a lot of things, and for me, I was an addict way before I ever picked up a drug and I will continue to be an addict way before I ever pick up another drug.
Addict behavior can be so many other things, but I'm not going to get into that. I just always need to remember that I am suffering with this and without God in my life and without a strong foundation in the church and NA, I could easily fall back into the horrible pits of active addiction. I believe sometimes things happen to us to bring us closer to God, and my addiction and even my mental disease of bi-polar disorder (the lows of it, more so, the depression) have brought me so much closer to God, it's incredible and in a way, I'm actually thankful for the afflications because it gave me the chance to really get to know my Father in ways I never knew.

But, I seemed to have been having to like defend myself to them and the things I believed in to them because they both now believe in the same things completely because while I went to rehab, Anthony moved in with Gerry and completey cut off most people in his life and basically surrounds himself with limited people besides Gerry, so again, the feelings of "not good enough" were coming in my head again. I felt like I had come so far and worked so hard to obtain the knowledge I had posessed and then to just get it knocked all down and been told that they have a lot of work to do on me to get a lot of the stuff I had been taught erased out of my head, it hurt.

I was staying about 45 mins away from home when I first got out of the rehab at a recovery home for women, because I wanted the oppurunity to fellowship with women in recovery and try to do things on my own without leaning on my mother and friends in such a co-dependent manner like I always do.

When I was in rehab & first told my mother about this, her and my friends were oppossed to this idea, but then they recieved it after I really explained myself and we all prayed about it. But, unfortunately, things weren't working out for me at the house I was in. Instead of fellowshipping with the women there, it was more of a nightmare, most of the women were very cold and unfriendly and some were just miserable and trying to make everyone else miserable with them.

I prayed and prayed for the Lord to help me with the situation and He deemed to see fit to remove me out of the situation. Once, Anthony and Gerry found out about me coming back home (I wasn't going to come home for long, only for a little bit until I found a new place for me to live on my own), Gerry had said he had felt a feeling that I had relapsed and for the entire past week has been saying he has felt in the spirit and in prayer the Lord telling him I've been relapsing him, and of course Anthony is also in agreement with him.

I had come home on a Tuesday and I spent Tuesday night hanging out with them and they had all these plans that I should just stay down here and live here and hang out with them everyday and not even work for awhile and not worry about money, just pray about money like they do, and just pray, read the bible and be discipled and walk the right path of the Lord with them. At first I thought maybe the Lord had taken me out of that situation because this is what he did want from me, he wanted me back down with my friends to build me stronger in my walk, and I prayed upon this idea and asked the Lord to please show me something, please let me know. Then this week is when it all really went down.

To make a long story short, while I was in the program, I had strong feelings for a male in there named John.
At first it was lustful desires, I found him extremely attractive, but I did everything I was taught to do to make them go away. I would literally face the wall, or look a the ground. But, then as time grew on, and I got to know him and hear him share about his life and his feelings, I grew to genuinely care about him. I just prayed about the whole situation and when it came time for him to leave, I prayed to the Lord for him to do well and so forth.
We were going to be in the same general area, so I prayed if it was God's will for us to see each other again, we would. I had finally gotten a born again Christian during the end of my stay in the rehab, and she had told me, she knew me and him would see each other again, she had a strong feeling, but I didn't believe it.

So, it had been almost a month since I had been out and I thought I would have for sure seen him out at meetings but I never did, but I kept praying for him but I had pretty much given up on the thought of me ever seeing him. Then one day last week, I happened to walk into this restuarant thinking it was a spanish restaurant craving spanish food and it turned out to be italian. I was very disappointed and was about to leave but for some reason, something inside of me told me to go over to this guy who looked hispanic and ask him if he knew of any spanish restuarants, we got to talking, and one thing led to another and it was brought up how I just got out of a drug facility and he said so did his best friend and said his best friends name..
...and it was John!

I was so surprised! I thought what were the chances of that. So, needless to say, the next day I finally spoke to John and we spoke for awhile and made plans to see each other that night.. we ended up just talking all night long, and having a good time together. I don't often just feel comfortable around guys right away, but I felt totally at ease with him and as it turned out, he had a crush on me in there too, and he was like so happy that we found each other, just as happy as I was.

So, then we have been spending the rest of the week together.

I hadn't been honest with my mother or Gerry or Anthony at first because I didn't want to have to explain myself or hear anyones mouth because I just wanted to spend time with this man and have a good time.

I haven't even spent time with a man in a long time and I didn't want to be told I couldn't or I was wrong for doing so. He finally came down to my house 2 days ago and met my mother, and my mother really liked him. He is a good guy and I can relate to him on many levels and I feel God put us in each others paths for a reason. He believes in God and Jesus but he hasn't let go of a tragedy that affected his family and his life (his mothers suicide) and I think that has stopped him from wanting to go to church or really get into God as much as he would like to, so I've just been talking about the love of Jesus and the amazing things God can do and so forth.
I even led one of his very depressed friends to the Lord. I feel that with time, he will be ready to seek the Lord as well.

Anyways though, I got honest with my mother and told her yes, I was lying about where I was going and what I was doing the past couple days because I was afraid she might had casted judgement on me or him, etc. She said I really need to be delivered from lying because I lie even when I don't need to lie,b/c I do! She said I didn't need to lie about that, and she understands I haven't even spent time with a man in a long time and she wouldn't have judged but because of the way I went about it and the lying, the enemy had her convinced I was using.

Then my friends thought the same thing, because I was home and besides the first night home, I wasn't spending it with them, so they just assumed I as up to no good. So, my mother told me I need to get honest with Anthony and call him and tell him the truth.

So, I called him and told him the truth, and I told him everything and then he said "hand on top of God, did you have sex with him?" and I answered, yes. and then asked me, "Hand on top of God, did you use drugs?" and I said no. Then he flipped out and said in no way is he going to condone this or co-sign this, it is unacceptable and spitting in his face. Then he continued to say that they are not going to continue to be there for me if this is the way I'm going to chose to live, they will pray for me but other then that, no, and until I want to be obidient with the Lord, I can pretty much not bother with them until I'm ready to have Jesus in my life.

This made me so angry, because yes I fell short and had sex, okay. I sinned, but who are you to cast judgement on me?

Do you live sinless lives all of the sudden?

If you see that your sister messed up and sinned, shouldnt you pray with her and say okay, you messed up, we are here to help and encourage, not basically dangle friendships in my face and then tell me when I'm ready to have Jesus in my life, they will be there for me.

Who are you to tell me I DONT have Jesus in my life because I sinned?

That is ridiculous. If that is the case, anytime someone sins, do they all the sudden not have Jesus in their life, or are not living for Jesus and should have ultimatiums thrown at them from their friends. I feel like because they didn't have things their way and have been in prayer and bible study everyday with them and them controlling me and I've been home and doing other things, they automatically assume the worst, and what kind of Christians are those?

Then they had the nerve to tell my mother that since they are both "addicts" they know addict behavior and I need to take a **** test, and if I take a **** test and come out clean, then all will be fine and they will apologize to me, but since I've been known to lie in the best and use drugs in the past, they don't trust me anymore, so they need proof. First of all, if I am a new creation in Christ, isn't the old me washed away, didn't Jesus die for that very reason?

Just because I've sinned doesn't make all of that exempt now and now I have to give pop urined and swear on a stack of bibles to a bunch of questions to theirs and if my answers aren't to their liking, then what?

I have to go thru this time and time again?

They swear they aren't "judging" me and are only holding me accountable for what I did and I just need to live in obedience to the Lord. But, never did I say what I did was right, not to them, not to myself. I know having pre-martial sex is wrong, and I asked for forgiveness and I continue to pray to the Lord for strength in that department and for Jesus to give me that validation that I seek from wordly men.

I am not perfect and the Lord knows that, and my whole thing is, I just dont appreciate them treating me like this. The Lord answered my prayers yet again though, because yet again, I feel like "less than" and "not a good enough" Christian around them and when I was up north where I just was and building foundations, I was feeling comfortable in church, praying outloud, people were saying what a strong woman of God I was, etc etc.. and now I'm back down here again and I'm being told when I want Jesus in my life and ready to live for him, to give them a call?

I feel like so hurt by this and they keep telling me the enemy is lying to me etc but I feel like the enemy is lying to them allowing them to think I'm getting high and thinking they have the right to say that since I used drugs in the past and lied in the past, that they have the right to demand a urine in order to trust me, since they are both addicts, they know the behavior.

Funny how they are addicts all the sudden, they will make that declaration now when it is convenient for them, right? I am just really upset by all this and I am chosing not to speak to them at the moment.

I feel they aren't doing what Jesus would do, and maybe I am not either cuz in the situation, what would Jesus do?

If He were me, maybe He would talk to them, but I feel like I'm being treated like a 3rd rate citizen because I finally got honest and told them what I was doing, which makes me regret even being honest because look what kind of reaction it got me to begin with and now because I sinned I'm being told that I don't have Jesus fully in my life. I do have Jesus in my life, I am human and I sinned, Jesus can forgive me, so why can't they?

Thank God and Thank you Jesus forgiveness doesn't lie in the hands of mere mortals and judgement doesn't either or we'd all be condemned.

As far as the guy goes, I didn't call him all day today due to all the chaos last night and I just prayed around it today and he ended up calling me and saying that he was compelled to pray about me and if he should call me because he felt to do so in his heart.... and that to me was my answer from God on what I should do in the situation with him. I'm a 28 yr old female, and I've enjoyed hanging out with him so far and I'm not going to let other peoples decision on how I should live my life.

and that's my story.

I have my mothers love and support and of course Father God, and that's all I need.

thank you so much for reading all this for those who did
God First
Kelly
 
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Thank you Kelly for sharing your story.

Paul, the Apostle, said that he did the things he didn't want to do and didn't do the things he wanted to do..... BUT, always remember (I know I have to remind myself!) that that is not a permit to do the wrong thing.

Romans 7:18-19 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do


Jesus took our beating and whipping, so don't beat yourself up about it if you do slip up from time to time, but turn immediately to Jesus, and look to Him and is love and desire for you to have the freedom He freely gives.

John 15:10-14 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in His love.

These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.


With your friend John, talk to him about this love of Jesus and see that sometimes love has to say, "no". Sometimes, the harder it is, the greater the love, and yet, the greater the love, the easier it is!



I suppose, the thing to watch, my sister, is that as you know, the addictive stuff is very strong.. and hard to shake... if you do taste it again, SO, don't let the fact that you have not been struck down for sinning a bit here and there tempt you to just take one little hit.

I pray you are totally free, Kelly. (I just had to say the above)

Now as far as your two 'friends' go, well, forgive and forget.... and don't see bad, but see that this incident, however bitter it has been, has in fact drawn you even closer to our beloved Lord, Jesus Christ.

And it is Jesus who is your every dose of everything beautiful.... seek His face, look to Him, let yourself adore Him, in all His glorious beauty, and you will have more than enough strength in the face of temptations.... in fact, as you enter fully into His love for you, there will be no place for temptation to even be heard.


He is our everything, and without Him, we perish.



Bless you Kelly ....><>


Br. Bear




Romans 15:13
Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
 
May I ask how old you are Kelly?


Who are you to tell me I DONT have Jesus in my life because I sinned?


BTW ..I completely agree with you here. Only He knows the heart. :wink:
 
dear kelly,

i say u r blessed to have a mother willing and ready to stand beside you and support you in your spiritual journey with the Lord. I just remembered my cousin having also a hard time coping up to follow Jesus in her life wrapped in her weak human weaknesses, new babe in the Lord. But because of these impatient Christian believers longing for abrupt change to people's lives, her precious time to be molded and to be changed from faith to faith, glory to glory, from strength to strength was terminated. She's back now in that cruel town where she can't get any more help to let her grow in Christ. I'm so sad about this.May the Lord keep her.

May the Lord give you the strength needed til Christ is formed in you. I pray that you will be surrounded with real Christian friends. Praise the Lord for that heart willing and ready to forgive. The Lord bless you. Thanks also for sharing us your story.


Keeping you in prayer..



Sister in Christ,


Reymielin
 
I still would like to extend a hand in friendship to you, Kelly. I'm 27 years old. I may not have the same struggles as you, BUT I struggle.

I think what might be good with these 'friends' of yours...forgive and forget yes...but also to pray for them. Give yourself some time away from them and to ask God what He wants you to do in the situation.

I could tell you a lot of things that aren't healthy that they are doing, but I think you know them. :-S

Blessings to you sister!

~Giggles4God~ (Real name Jen)
 
Hello brother LoJ,

If you don't mind, below is the answer to your question: May I ask how old you are Kelly?

I'm a 28 yr old female, and I've enjoyed hanging out with him so far and I'm not going to let other peoples decision on how I should live my life.

Since I am about to reply here anway, I just thought I would do that for you ;-)

Anyway, Kelly I just read your story and I would keep reading it next visit... I just feel the need to let you know that I pledge to be one of your intecessors with regards to your heart's desire to be completely changed by our wonderful and forgiving Father in heaven through our sweet saviour Jesus Christ. Just stay cool. Everything will be ok. Just keep yourself busy with God's promises. Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.. Smile, rejoice in the Lord God always!;-)
 
Hello brother LoJ,
If you don't mind, below is the answer to your question.. fixxed : )

I just thought I would do that for you ;-)


Nice..

You only forgot to insert ' fixxed '.


So MiZZJuSTiFiED,
Your daughter is living at home with you? It was great to let her see the thread you started and your concerns for her.

Curious what you thought of my previous comments.
Marco
 
Nice..

You only forgot to insert ' fixxed '.


So MiZZJuSTiFiED,
Your daughter is living at home with you? It was great to let her see the thread you started and your concerns for her.

Curious what you thought of my previous comments.
Marco

LoJ
My daughter is Mizzjustified/Kelly. I am Katzie/Kathy... Before I respond to your questions I would just like to thank EVERYONE who has contributed to this thread. My daughter and I extremely appreciate it.........

Now LoJ the question you just asked. Kelly has been a member here for a while she just didn't have access to a computer since August due to Rehab and so forth. She is staying with me temporarily as she is trying to find a place in the New Brunswick area where she had a good network of Christians for her recovery. Please pray that God will lead her to where she should be, it would be such a blessing if she could be led to a Christian home.

As to your previous comments, she does have a curfew here and rules about the car and so forth, despite the fact she is going to be 28 this month. I appreciate and agree with your comments LoJ.

Giggles - Kelly will write to you soon and she appreciates your offer of friendship. She's trying to find a place to live and a job which is taking up most of her time right now, hopefully tonight she'll have time to write to you.


I ask that everyone continue to pray for this situation and that the Lord would lead Kelly to where she should be, where He wants her, not what she wants. Please pray for all of us involved in this that all of us would act and speak with the love of God.

Love in Christ,
Kathy
 
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Keeping you both in prayer . Stay strong and remember only one person can truly judge us , continue to seek his will . We all stumble at times , so long as we arent moved away from our faith and repent to the Lord we are OK . He loves us no matter what . He will always call us back and receive us with open arms !

Lord please continue to give Kelly and Kathy peace and understanding , guide them and embrace them in your unending unconditional love .

In Jesus' name , Amen

Miccy
 
Kathy,

I understand. Whenever she is ready, I'm here. For you also.

Blessings to you both!

Praying,

G4G (Jen)
 
Keeping you both in prayer . Stay strong and remember only one person can truly judge us , continue to seek his will . We all stumble at times , so long as we arent moved away from our faith and repent to the Lord we are OK . He loves us no matter what . He will always call us back and receive us with open arms !

Lord please continue to give Kelly and Kathy peace and understanding , guide them and embrace them in your unending unconditional love .

In Jesus' name , Amen

Miccy

Yes, Lord I do agree. In Jesus' name. Amen.

Ephesians 6:11-12 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places
 
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