Never Will I Leave You

[Sue J Love]

5/11/11: I had this horrible headache (from an incoming or outgoing storm) all afternoon. I was sitting on the sofa crying and praying for Jesus (in His name) to heal me. Then He put this song, "Never Will I Leave You," into my heart to write as His message to me to comfort and encourage me, plus He removed the headache. Praise Jesus!

I can’t begin to number the times he has spoken these words to my heart during times when I felt lonely, rejected, betrayed, forsaken, abandoned, misunderstood and discarded by others. He has often reminded me that his words are true and that he is completely faithful in all he does. He has also reminded me of the purity of his love for me, and of how much value he places upon my life, especially during times when I feel devalued by others. As humans, we will fail each other, because we are flesh. But, God will never fail us. Amen!

Never Will I Leave You / An Original Work / May 11, 2011
God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you” (Heb. 13:5).

“Never will I leave you, nor will I forsake you.”
Jesus is your Savior; love and comfort keep you.
He is your deliverer; Rock of your salvation;
Cornerstone, rejected by men; mighty God is He!

Hope of your salvation; He is your Redeemer.
He is living in you as your Lord and Master.
He will not forget you, nor will He neglect you.
He knows all about you; He will supply all you need.

God of your redemption’s perfect plan to save you
Sacrificed for your sin, so you’d be forgiven.
He loves and adores you; perfectly He made you
So that you might be His servant and child of the King.

 

[RJ]

Also, John 6:37 Jesus says, "However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them."
Can't have better eternal security than that!

 

[Sue J Love]

Also, John 6:37 Jesus says, "However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them."
Can't have better eternal security than that!

KJV: "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." ESV: "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out." Young's Literal Translation of that verse is: "...all that the Father doth give to me will come unto me; and him who is coming unto me, I may in no wise cast without..."

You quoted the New Living Translation, which is more of a transliteration, and it leaves out entirely this: "and him who is coming unto me" which is essential to the meaning of the verse. The first part of the verse is based in election. Those who were chosen of God in Christ before the creation of the world (See: Eph. 1:4) to be holy and blameless in God's sight (the elect/chosen) with come (future) to Christ, i.e. at some point in time they will come to Christ. But, then it says that who is coming (present tense, not past tense and not future tense), he will in no wise cast without (or out). Cast out: drive out, put out, throw out, banish.

So, what this is saying is that the chosen (elect) of God, i.e. those chosen in Christ before the creation of the world, will one day, if they have not already, come to Christ. It is a given fact. And, it says that whoever is coming (presently coming) unto him, which I assume has more to do with walking according to the Spirit, since for one person to (present tense) come to Christ, not past tense come to Christ, it would mean a continuous walk of faith, i.e. walking according to the Spirit and no longer according to the flesh - which is what God requires for the righteous requirements of the law to be fully met in us (See: Ro. 8:3-14) - he will not cast out. It would mean I come to Christ today, tomorrow, and so on and so forth. These he will not cast out (throw out; banish), which means these are the elect (chosen) of God. If we are among the chosen of God, we will come to Christ, and we will continue in Christ until the end.

This promise, therefore, of "never will I leave you or reject you" is for those who are the chosen in Christ, who have come to Christ, and who are continuing to come to Christ, not in the sense of getting saved every day, but in the sense of walking according to the Spirit and not according to the flesh, but by the Spirit and in the Spirit and of the Spirit and empowered by the Spirit as we yield the control of our lives over to God/Jesus/The Spirit, and by the Spirit we daily put to death (present tense) the deeds of our flesh (See: Ro. 8:13), for if we live according to the sinful nature, we will die (we will be cast out).

 

[RJ]

KJV: "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." ESV: "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out." Young's Literal Translation of that verse is: "...all that the Father doth give to me will come unto me; and him who is coming unto me, I may in no wise cast without..."

and it leaves out entirely this: "and him who is coming unto me"

So what? It is still the same, who ever Jesus recieves!
I really don't understand your long explanation to discredit the the NLT and that it adds anything to the conversation. All the translations exalt, whoever God's gives Jesus, he will not lose. The main point is whether it is pure predestination, choice or a combination of both ( who he foreknew, he predestined), You are secure with Christ in you!

 

[Sue J Love]

So what? It is still the same, who ever Jesus recieves!
I really don't understand your long explanation to discredit the the NLT and that it adds anything to the conversation. All the translations exalt, whoever God's gives Jesus, he will not lose. The main point is whether it is pure predestination, choice or a combination of both ( who he foreknew, he predestined), You are secure with Christ in you!

So what? The difference is that the NLT left out a very important part of that verse, and it is key to understanding the correct meaning, which is essential to our salvation. There is a reason that God added on that part, and that God did not leave it out. We can't just skip by it and ignore it.

He didn't say, "However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them." He said, "...all that the Father doth give to me will come unto me; and him who is coming unto me, I may in no wise cast without..." It is the "and him who is coming" (present tense) "unto me" which is the object of, "I will not cast out." This is for our benefit. It helps us to understand who the recipients are of this promise. Many are called (invited), but few are chosen. Not everyone who thinks he is saved is saved. Those who will not be cast out are those who are presently (which means continuously or progressively) coming to him, i.e. who are walking according to the Spirit and not according to the flesh. We are not saved (past) and it is over with. We are being saved, and we will be saved when Christ returns. It is he who continues in Christ, and who is believing (present tense) who has the promise of eternal life, not those who made a one-time decision to receive Christ but then never did walk in the Spirit, but continued to walk after the flesh. God made this distinction on purpose, and it would behoove us to take notice and to not ignore it. It is all throughout the New Testament, which I have shared with you previously many of those verses, and there are many. Jesus died, not just so we could escape hell and have the promise of heaven. He died that we might die to sin and live to righteousness (See: 1 Pet. 2:24).

 

[RJ]

So what? The difference is that the NLT left out a very important part of that verse, and it is key to understanding the correct meaning, which is essential to our salvation.

Wow..it has nothing to do with our salvation, that comes from God;s free gift of grace!
For the love of the Lord, why are you so intent in arguing a ridiculous point.

He died that we might die to sin and live to righteousness (See: 1 Pet. 2:24).

You are way off base here...what is the world does this verse in 1Pe have to do with the truth that Jesus said he would never leave you or lose what God has given him?
I will make it easy, are you saved and is Christ in you?

 

[RJ]

I will make it easy, are you saved and is Christ in you?

What?...can't answer?

 

[Sue J Love]

Wow..it has nothing to do with our salvation, that comes from God;s free gift of grace!
For the love of the Lord, why are you so intent in arguing a ridiculous point.

You are way off base here...what is the world does this verse in 1Pe have to do with the truth that Jesus said he would never leave you or lose what God has given him?
I will make it easy, are you saved and is Christ in you?

What does "cast out" mean to you? It is those who are coming (present, active, progressive) to him, i.e. those who walk not according to the flesh, but who walk according to the Spirit, who continue in faith, and who are believing in him (present tense) who have the hope of eternal life and will not be rejected by God. So, that has everything to do with our salvation. Live according to the flesh and you will die. Period. It is what the Bible teaches. So, 1 Pet. 2:24 also has everything to do with it, because it explains that Jesus Christ gave his life up for us that we might die to sin and live to righteousness, i.e. this goes to the issue of us "coming" to him (present, active, progressive, continuous), and it is those who do this whom God will not reject (who will not be cast out).

That You May Know

 

[RJ]

What does "cast out" mean to you? It is those who are coming (present, active, progressive) to him, i.e. those who walk not according to the flesh, but who walk according to the Spirit, who continue in faith, and who are believing in him (present tense) who have the hope of eternal life and will not be rejected by God. So, that has everything to do with our salvation. Live according to the flesh and you will die. Period. It is what the Bible teaches. So, 1 Pet. 2:24 also has everything to do with it, because it explains that Jesus Christ gave his life up for us that we might die to sin and live to righteousness, i.e. this goes to the issue of us "coming" to him (present, active, progressive, continuous), and it is those who do this whom God will not reject (who will not be cast out).

That You May Know

• What you say is true and I have no doubt.
• But again and again, you are still not addressing the point that, whoever God gives to Christ by , what ever means, Christ has promised to never lose.
• Why can't you answer my previous question to you: Are you saved and is Christ in you?

 

[Sue J Love]

• What you say is true and I have no doubt.
• But again and again, you are still not addressing the point that, whoever God gives to Christ by , what ever means, Christ has promised to never lose.
• Why can't you answer my previous question to you: Are you saved and is Christ in you?

Yes, absolutely I am saved, and Christ is in me. No doubt. I would not be doing what I do each day if that were not so.

Truly whoever God gives to Christ is the chosen of God, and he or she (they) will come to Christ, and none shall be lost.

Yet, that is not the issue here. The issue is that the NLT left out a section of the verse which was of primary importance, and which qualified who these were that God would not cast out. They are the ones "coming" (present tense) to him, not past tense only. So, this goes to the issue of the fact that those for whom the righteous requirements of the law are fully met are those who walk not according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. If we don't understand this, then many people may falsely "receive" Christ, i.e. they may think they are among those who have been made righteous by the blood of Christ, but they are not, because no one told them that Jesus died so that they might die to sin and live to righteousness, and that they must walk in the Spirit and not according to the flesh if they want to live eternally with God. Yet, predestination says that those who are chosen will come to Christ, and that those the Father has given to the Son will not be lost. God will make sure that they are among those "coming" to Christ, as well.

And, yet, there are all these warnings throughout the New Testament given to the church concerning reaping what you sow, and that those who walk according to the flesh will die, but it is only those who walk according to the Spirit who will live, so we must take those seriously and not delete such references from a passage of scripture which lets people know, if translated correctly, that it is those "coming" to Christ who will not be rejected (not be cast out). Remember, many will come before the Lord one day and say, "Lord, Lord" and he is going to tell them he never knew them, and they will be cast out. So, we need to tell people the truth, and not hide it from them. We have a responsibility before Almighty God to tell them the truth.

 

[RJ]

Yes, absolutely I am saved, and Christ is in me.

Well then you are living proof what I said about: ( John 6:37 Jesus says, "However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them.") Despite your continuous objection to the NLT, that has nothing to do with the fact that Jesus has promised to never lose you! And I don't care what translation you use, you can not change or divert this truth! I remain to be very perplexed by you insistent agenda that has nothing to do with the conversation!

 

[Sue J Love]

Well then you are living proof what I said about: ( John 6:37 Jesus says, "However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them.") Despite your continuous objection to the NLT, that has nothing to do with the fact that Jesus has promised to never lose you! And I don't care what translation you use, you can not change or divert this truth! I remain to be very perplexed by you insistent agenda that has nothing to do with the conversation!

Only those who are truly his can claim that promise. Many believe falsely. They think they have their ticket into heaven, but they don't. We can't delete sections of scripture which teach the truth. We can't ignore the bulk of the New Testament, which teaches the truth. Not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" really knows Jesus. So not everyone who thinks he is saved, or who thinks he is a Christian has that promise. Not yet anyway. God will see to it that his chosen will come to him. But only those "coming" to him will be saved. God/Jesus knows who are his, and they will not be cast out. We don't know all who are his, so it is our responsibility to tell the whole gospel and to not leave out parts. That is why we have the New Testament, and why we have the epistles. Over and over again the writers of the New Testament books warned of false faith, of taking God's grace for granted, of apostasy, of teaching or of adhering to a false gospel which has no power to save lives, etc. It warns against falling back into sin or of being arrogant in thinking God cannot touch us and it tells us that those who walk according to the flesh will die, but only those who walk according to the Spirit will be saved. This is why I insist on this, because this is what Jesus and the apostles taught, and it is what we are to teach.

 

[RJ]

Only those who are truly his can claim that promise. Many believe falsely. They think they have their ticket into heaven, but they don't. We can't delete sections of scripture which teach the truth. We can't ignore the bulk of the New Testament, which teaches the truth. Not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" really knows Jesus. So not everyone who thinks he is saved, or who thinks he is a Christian has that promise. Not yet anyway. God will see to it that his chosen will come to him. But only those "coming" to him will be saved. God/Jesus knows who are his, and they will not be cast out. We don't know all who are his, so it is our responsibility to tell the whole gospel and to not leave out parts. That is why we have the New Testament, and why we have the epistles. Over and over again the writers of the New Testament books warned of false faith, of taking God's grace for granted, of apostasy, of teaching or of adhering to a false gospel which has no power to save lives, etc. It warns against falling back into sin or of being arrogant in thinking God cannot touch us and it tells us that those who walk according to the flesh will die, but only those who walk according to the Spirit will be saved. This is why I insist on this, because this is what Jesus and the apostles taught, and it is what we are to teach.

Only those who are truly his can claim that promise.

Sister,
This was my whole argument from the beginning and the rest has little to do with YOUR original title: " Never Will I Leave You" ! Based on YOUR topic, I was simply quoting scripture ( accurately) to agree and support you that Christ will never leave you, but you strayed and seemed to have a different agenda.
You have continued to list several topics that confuse and have nothing to do with your original Post. I suggest you use each of those different topics to start a new discussion!
God Bless!