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Amen brother,
I'll add this, from the field of counseling we often talk about the past often.
This can be good because to go forward you often have to uncover the past.
However I will say that sometimes in our profession of counseling (therapy), the focus
on the past at times can be too much, to a degree in which people feel as if they are
predestined to be a certain way because of certain past traumas.
Don't get me wrong, I understand that being aware of what has happened and why is important. For example, understanding
that your behavior is related to PTSD like symptoms because of a certain past trauma is
important. However, even more important is knowing that Jesus can free you from all
chains, biological, emotional, mental and spiritual. For some it will take time, while for others
it may be quickly. However the blood of Jesus can heal it all.
I'll add this, from the field of counseling we often talk about the past often.
This can be good because to go forward you often have to uncover the past.
However I will say that sometimes in our profession of counseling (therapy), the focus
on the past at times can be too much, to a degree in which people feel as if they are
predestined to be a certain way because of certain past traumas.
Don't get me wrong, I understand that being aware of what has happened and why is important. For example, understanding
that your behavior is related to PTSD like symptoms because of a certain past trauma is
important. However, even more important is knowing that Jesus can free you from all
chains, biological, emotional, mental and spiritual. For some it will take time, while for others
it may be quickly. However the blood of Jesus can heal it all.
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Amen !! Jesus sets us free from addictions that rule our lives, when we come to him, thank you Jesus !! NOthing in the whole world can change a heart like Jesus can, truly a blessing knowing this
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That's all definitely a vital approach. I don't allow the circle talk to go like an AA meeting because that often goes viral such we don't get into the word well. People with hurts lean on the words of others hurting, empowering hurt. If all we have is an hour I keep their stories to about 5% at most, using Paul's failure testimony % compared to empowerment teaching. The BLOOD and the I AM scriptures are powerful to the Holy Spirit making addicts free, and yes, it usually takes a lot of time to heal deep wounds. The ones hardest to reach were brought up in Christian backgrounds.
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I agree with this to an extent. Concerning who we are in Christ, yes, those things mentioned in (1 Cor. 6:9-10) no longer apply to us. The blood of Christ has covered and removed all that.
But, are not our past experiences, either before Christ or after Christ, used by God to fashion and shape each one of us? Be they good or bad experiences? In other words, a wound sent by God is for a purpose. Will we ever really heal from it? I speak of eternity also, not just here. Doesn't Christ still bear His scars?
Along these lines, I have considered also that when we go to be with the Lord, do we forget our past lives here? I don't think so, though we will see them in total visibility/understanding and not through a glass darkly. Why should God want us to forget that which He brought us through to make us what He wants us?
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I was talking with a addicts mother the other day, and she said something along the lines of my son will always struggle with addiction this we accept.
I had told her and her son how Jesus changed my life and my addiction is gone, he gave me a new heart its not about my will power because that will always fail it about Jesus giving us a heart that wants to please him. But I guess they dont listen well because I have told them this many times, yet they dont seek Jesus from what I can tell, maybe I am wrong or maybe that will change,
I never liked those aa meeting or NA meetings because it seemed the people always glorified the abuse in the stories they told.
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Philippians 3:7-16 (KJV)
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
Through practice I'm learning to stop rehearsing the accomplishments of my life. I packed my wall certificates and replaced them with plaques of precious word. We don't miss the old. None of the past is worthy of remembering that interferes with gaining more knowledge and fellowship with Jesus. When I refine a favorite sermon on the blood of Jesus I am taken off into excellency of knowledge of Him. The young and old sitting and listening for the building of hope are wanting that message over and over till they get it fully. Andrew Murray wrote two books I cherish, The Power of the Blood of Christ, and The Blood of Christ, which collect a huge message from the Bible. The subject transforms thinking. It helps me depart from this flesh memory, anticipating fully comprehending Jesus more each day.
I ran track in high school and college. Winners don't cry over a past loss, or worry over the skill of a competitor, but dream and imagine a great win coming. I'd tell the guy on each side "I'm the winner." Each of them were then stuck with a last message indicating they were the losers. That happens to each of us when we get our eyes and ears off Jesus, focusing on self. Depreciation enters, and it's contagious. Live beyond the past and even what appears to be a limited present, not letting the Lord get out of sight today. Finish the race today together at that white line.
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The mother's fixed confession traps them in the present. She needs to correct her words to project hope and success for her son, praying towards that. It might be the Lord is waiting for her to change first.
A young Christian man who married a woman with a 4 year old son asked advice. He didn't know how to be a father to the boy, leaving his upbringing up to his mother. The problem was the boy was still in disposable diapers, and he was not earning enough to keep it up in additions to many other needs he never dreamed of. The mother gave up trying, though had suitable clothes for hin, and he had little to do with the boy due to being gone during waking hours. I suggested he wake the boy up, take him to his bedroom, and put on a pair of pants in front of him. He had not tried that. The next time we met he was happy to report the boy immediately began wanting to dress like him. He's a better daddy, too.
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Amen brother,
One thing that I hear people say often, and especially in marriage counseling, is, "This is who I am. I can't change. They need to accept me like I am.".
That is a tricky one, because although people don't have to change for us to love them, we should not be deceived into believing that we are who
we are and can't change. As you so rightly put it my brother, in Christ we are a new creature. We live in a world in which the "this is who I am" philosophy
in life is often an excuse for people to not put in the work or the faith so change can happen.
I heard a pastor once say, you can come as you are but you can't stay as you came. In essence he was saying that God welcomes all however once
you encounter His love and spend time in His presence you will change.
Hey, Peter changed, Paul (Saul) changed. Moses changed, and many many many more in the Bible and in present day life.
Is anything too hard for God?
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Very good advice given here. Amen, I thank God for using you to help and bless others. Amen.
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What a fine thread topic! I couldn't get this off my mind even in church and straight till now.
If not for the blood of Jesus given for us, there is no other confirmation of our present eternal substance, and absolutely no definition of ourselves in Christ.
Otherwise, each of us would have been left in limbo, each trying to work out the required way to eternal bliss if at all possible. The idea resulted in great kings conquering and acquiring fantastic wealth for an offering to the gods for eternal peace! all at the price of wasted army blood. That's the emphasis of world religions. Seeking God by carnal means. Jesus introduced us to Father God with a direct connection through His own eternal Priesthood, by way of His holy blood.
Brother Bear, you have filled my eyes with happy tears all day!
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Praise the Lord.....when we are saved and washed in the blood of the Lamb....His blood defines us for eternity. That is amazing!
However, also to a large degree whilst on earth our past does define us particularly in the eyes of the world.
And that "past" can be used to glorify the Lord as a testimony of His love and grace in changing lives.
Here are some well known examples
From witchcraft to Christ......Doreen Irvine
The Cross and the Switchblade...... David Wilkerson
Forgive me Natasha.........Sergei Kourdakov
However, also to a large degree whilst on earth our past does define us particularly in the eyes of the world.
And that "past" can be used to glorify the Lord as a testimony of His love and grace in changing lives.
Here are some well known examples
From witchcraft to Christ......Doreen Irvine
The Cross and the Switchblade...... David Wilkerson
Forgive me Natasha.........Sergei Kourdakov
