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Maureen

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I've been going recently to a Health Forum, and there are some ill people on it.
I have been polite, and worked my way around bringing a little word about the greatest physican ever.

I've just received a reply that this is not welcomed.
So I kindly wrote if the Lord is not welcome there then I am not either, that I was sorry they saw it that way.
But He is the greatest physican of all time.

Isn't it awful, that we are not welcome in some places to mention Jesus?
I know it tells us in God's word, that His own people did not want him, He went onto His own and they recieved Him not.
Nothing has changed in over 2000 years then.
The mere mention of His name offends them.

I have not lost anything by not going back there, it is their poor lost soul though.
 
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Maureen Health forum can be rough especially if it is not made with the sole purpose of being Christian enviroment.

Even some have prayer request on them, and yet you are not allow to say Jesus. You can say God because everyone seems to have a God but they consider Jesus is a generic name. "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me."


Maureen do you have an illness? I do have a illness and sometimes it can be rough , and having others pray with you and encourage you in the Word of God can sometimes help you through it.

God Bless, Trish
 
I did not see the actual interaction on the Health forum ...so I will simply generalize in my opinion on this subject...

I dont frequent Health Forums, as this is pretty much the only forum I have time to participate in, but I am a health nut, and often skim thru health forums and webpages alike. I dont know how to say this without coming across as a heathen, but I do not disagree with the 'not welcome' response.

I think it is our duty as Christians to show the utmost respect and regard for the common agenda of the people of any forum, or place of business, etc. The common agenda on health forums is to discuss health, and health helps from a 'secular' viewpoint. (Ie health issues, diagnosis, medicinal or surgical helps etc.) I think it is not only presumptuous, but rather rude on our part, to expect to interject our 'God' response into any discussion, just because we believe God is the answer to every problem man has. (as He surely is)

Take for example, if you go into a doctors office, and overhear the doctor discussing with a patient/ family that he is having a difficult time finding the problem, do you step up and interject, 'GOD will fix it, you should pray!'?

Now, its great you are so eager to share your faith and all, and they may respectfully allow you to stand there and pray, but the likely reaction you will get is that if you want to preach God, you are welcome to go out into the street, but not in here. I`m sure there is no nice way for anyone to say that, but simply say it, and of course the 'christian' is going to be 'offended' and walk off in a huff, and say well i`m never going to that clinic again, they 'obviously' dont want my God so they dont want me.

Do you see? The attitude problem is not theirs as such, it is ours. There is a time and a place for all things...and the christian is to be wise...and harmless as a dove...not have an attitude that says....' because I am a christian, I will talk about God when I want, where ever I want, and folks can either like it, or I wont stay in their company!'

That is nothing but pride, and does not become a child of God.

Just my view of things...

Blessings
 
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Trish
I was diagnosed Manic Bi-Polar 5 years ago, I take Lithium which works well for me, except for some side effects, grin and bear them.
I was admitted at that time to hospital and was there 6 weeks, it was an awful period in my life, take too long to go into it all, they named it Religious Mania, I had no control over it at all. I had been on anti-depressants many years and have learned that this too can cause Mania to start.
Anyway I have been stable ever since, Praise the Lord.

Coconut.
I too can see were your coming from, but I, unlike my story above, was not on a Religious Mania epsoide, I merely mentioned a word or two, here and there, nothing outstanding, in the hope that someone would perhaps ask me something, but it only took one to come along who was offended.
Surely we have not to deny our God, He will deny us then.
It is fine for them to use unacceptalbe words but if I mention the Lord it is saw as being offensive.

I see I have recieved one more post, I haven't checked it out yet, if it's worth anything I will let you know.
I too do not visit any other forums, I don't even get to here that often, I was just interested to find out what other meds there were if I wanted to change Lithium, and came across it.
It is no big loss to me honestly.
 
I've been going recently to a Health Forum, and there are some ill people on it.
I have been polite, and worked my way around bringing a little word about the greatest physican ever.

I've just received a reply that this is not welcomed.
So I kindly wrote if the Lord is not welcome there then I am not either, that I was sorry they saw it that way.
But He is the greatest physican of all time.

Isn't it awful, that we are not welcome in some places to mention Jesus?
I know it tells us in God's word, that His own people did not want him, He went onto His own and they recieved Him not.
Nothing has changed in over 2000 years then.
The mere mention of His name offends them.

I have not lost anything by not going back there, it is their poor lost soul though.


You made your stand for Jesus Maureen......We cannot do more.

I bless you.....In Jesus. My prayers are with you
 
Seems like there are mixed reactions about this here.

Thank you Stephan for your encouraging words most welcomed and needed at the right time too.

The other reply I've just received from that health board was a 'sorry' and I'm welcome there, but to drop any things about the Lord, they're not allowed.
I explained I just wanted to be of help to anyone who would ask.
I have finished on good terms anyway.

If you can't mention the reason how you get through life, well I don't think there's any point of being around that place.

If I was bible thumping I guess I could see it was just too much for them, but if you knew me, you'd know how I just squeeze a bit here and there when at any places like that, some people really just don't want to know about permanant help, the good old things of the world are more inviting I guess.

Jesus wasn't even wanted by His own, and it's no differant today.
 
Well, like I said, I didnt see the actual exchanges...you probably did no more than I would do...and I can annoy people without even trying ...

I`m just viewing this from the stance, that at Talk Jesus, we reserve the right to tell atheists their 'godless chatter' is not welcomed here...so its only fair to allow other forums the same rights, without taking it personally perse`.

Blessings

Jesus wasn't even wanted by His own, and it's no different today.

amen
 
Maureen glad to hear that you are stable and the medicine is working. I can't say I know what you went through because I don't have the same illness you have, but I do know having a illness can change the way you live, and that part is hard to adjust.

You are right "If you can't mention the reason how you got through a trouble time, why bother staying at that place. Continue to hold on Maureen in what God had brought you through and let that continue to be your testimony, no matter what one may say.

God Bless, Trish
 
Ah Coconut
Here's the night owl 'hoot hoot' as it's near 5am, and on second shift now, been awake at 3am also.
I know it's the wrong thing to do to, use pc, to read and type, only awakes the brain even more, but I wanted to type a letter out, and I keep on forgetting but had to come here first.

If you knew me Coconut, you'd know I'd lay it on thinly, at times I'm shameful of myself how thin it is.
But it was nice still of that SAME person to post back and say I was welcome there still.
It was another person who also complained about 'God talk' as they put it.
But taking it all in context, I didn't say much to get the hairs on the neck up.
It was an odd, praise the Lord or I thank God, a wee example.
Thinly, as I've said, as I didn't know what the reaction would be, therefore I wasn't taking chances.

I just think it a real shame that today is so like that, but then I even experience it in my own family, and their mine.
My sons, fine about it, but my daughter, oh I've to watch my mouth, you can see it makes her so uncomfortable, she slips out the room if me and Mum are in a conversation about anything to do with the gospel, which isn't often either, mores the pity.

I have asked my daughter, Charlotte, called after my late Granny who was saved from 16yrs of age until her death at 87yrs, a fully fledged, devout a Christian as they come.
Well, I've asked her to go along with me to my last Ladies Meeting next month, of if you mind to would you pray for her to go, if you knew how hard it was to invite her knowing she wouldn't take it kindly, but I said I was giving her first refusal and could I know asap as I need to look up my 'no mates' list to find a replacement, :wink:
she said you've loads of friends Mum, I said I have they all go to church with me, her reply was, oh they'll all be there then.
I agreed on that one.

I think she just might go, I said it would be slightly differant to the usual monthlys as it's a sit down buffet and Christmas one was gorgeous, not that she's a food orintated person, but threw it in anyway.

The Lord is so marvelous, He does give me the right things to say, when they are needed, for I'm no use at it, and the courage to say them, when I can't do it.
Praise His great name.
 
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Trish
Sorry pet hadn't noticed your post before I replied.

Your so right, if you can't tell people how you are helped and that also they too can be helped the same way, what do you do, you desire to tell because it's true, you try to put it over very simply, thinly as I've said above.
Like, I thank God that it was Him who helped me.
In the hope that one would have enquired of me more, that's why I only dropped it in thin.

Instead I got a reaction about all this 'God talk' I felt insulted, so don't know what the Lord Jesus felt, but then He has taken so much of that, and I'm not innocent either, I don't forget the mire from which I was dug, though perhaps not as often as I should when I'm with the unsaved.

I find that a bit hard at times I find I would be guilty of spiritual sobbery I hold my hand up, the Lord knows anyway.
I have to keep constantly reminding myself when I see others painting on the Lord's Day, 'didn't you' or washing cars or cutting grass etc 'didn't you' I would have even passed comment to my unsaved hubby, 'car boot sale on the Lord's day' not that he'd take any notice, but I have to stop all that, spiritual sobbery, not good.

If you like to tell me about your illness Trish, I'm all ears sister.
I've suffered with Mental verbal abuse for donkeys years now from my hubby, whether or not that was the spark that lit the fuse, I'm not sure I know it couldn't have helped none.
It was a C.P.N once I attended told me after going to him a few months, he said Maureen that's were your problem lays with you husband he's the cause of your mental health.
Well as you can imagine my hubby didn't take kindly to hearing that, he wasn't in when Rob said it but he asked me what he said afterwards I told him, he refused me to continue on my appts with him and that was that.

He was a great guy that C.P.N. not because he said that about my husband but because he put his finger on the cause, I hadn't at that stage of my life. I even toyed with the idea he was wrong.
But he wasn't as years after with that in mind, it proved right.

It is only the Lord gets me through each day Trish, I would have been gone without Jesus in my life, as I've been put out a few times by Evan even on crutches once for taking my stand for truth, but I had Jesus and I was happy, honestly.
Now wasn't I wanting to help others with knowing that, you better believe it.

I've always prayed for the drink problem to be taken away, and what happened 6months ago, he was diagnose with diabetes, so he had to give it up, he tried curtailling it, couldn't do it, got so drunk that it gave him such a fright he knocked it on the head totally.
His ways our not our ways, I never expected that as the answer but it was, He knows best indeed, had to be medical or he'd not keep to it, and Evan is extremely good when it comes to his health in jepardy, the Lord knew were to work, Hallelujah.

It's still not plain saillng, was nearly put out again just last Sunday, I would have asked to be removed next day instead, couldn't pack up the car on Sunday now, :wink: I have moved back in on a Sunday it was last time, 1 half year ago now.
That was because he was full drunk too, and I'd missed him when I went to give him lift home, he got soaked in the rain, I found him and he refuse to get in the car, I had my wee Grandson in with me too, he was 10yrs, he still would say an odd time, remember when Granda was drunk and wouldn't get in the car Granny and he shouted, sorry he had to witness that, but he was staying and I had to bring him.

Ah Trish, I could write a book if I'd the mind to, don't know if I have it in me for that big task.

That's been twice in one week I've taken stuff from two differant sorces over my Lord.
I went last Friday night, this was why I was being put out again, to a meeting of Al-Anon, it is for the people who are affected by someone's else in the family who takes alcohol.

I couldn't tell him before hand were I was going, I wouldn't have been allowed out the door, been there, done that, or told if you go out that door don't come back, so I made arrangements with friend to meet up for cappo's i told him that, just left out the rest, don't know if that's lying, I didn't feel I was, otherwise I couldn't have done it, too much conviction there'd be. I wouldn't return home after it, as he'd been trying to contact me via mobile and when he couldn't receive a reply he knew something wasn't right.

I told him then about meeting but not the name of it, as it's too much like A.A. and he'd have clicked it, said what I told the ladies there, because of diabetes he's had to give up drinking, it's made him angry, cross, grumpy, hard to deal with, it was like he was still intoxicated Trish but he wasn't, his attitude was though.
I stayed at my youngest son's home, and the good lad that he is went to pick up my meds and wash bag, and told his Dad I was at that meeting for him, to find out ways in which to help him cope not having diabetes and having to stop drinking which is making him miserable.
That changed his mind about putting me out again, praise the Lord indeed, as this time I really didn't want to go.

Well I've also decided with much prayer and also receiving a 'word' through Sunday's service speaker, 'Why seek ye the living amongst the dead' I felt I was putting God on 'hold' while I saught the wisdom of this group for help, when Jesus has been the one helper and sustainer throughout, plus I had 4 discrepancies with their 'rules' won't go into them here, it's long enough I think to read this.

So I've come here to type a letter to post to them, perhaps will deliver it as it's on tomorrow night and I want them to have it then, in the hope they will read it out, it's the only way to get my point across, my fingers talk better than the tongue, I'm sure you see that.
Believe me it's true.

Jesus has done marvelous things, and a few weeks ago, I took this verse Jeremiah 33 v 3 to my heart, I couldn't get past it in my daily reading.
'Call upon my name and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things which thou knowest now'
They have been appearing too, I have had answers lately, again it was confirmed only yesterday in daily reading about 'Great things' wanted to follow 'Daily Bread' booklet but couldn't had to follow the spirit, and again was told about great things' so I know they will be revealed, I just have to wait patiently on the Lord.

I hope I've not yakked on to bore anyone, forgive was not my intention.
It is great though to come here and be able to speak freely and openly about Jesus, I am thankful for this wonderful place, and all you who see to it that it runs smoothly,
Thank you from my heart.
 
Maureen I am so sorry for all the brokeness that you went through. I hope some how that you can find a christian counselor that may help you, sometimes we put others first and forget about our own needs.

God Bless You, Trish
 
Ah Trish
Sure the Lord is worth every wrong word said to us, look what He suffered and never complained but asked forgiveness for them instead.

Satan is so very busy, I know it.
Though I give glory to Jesus, He again has brought and is still doing so, through this ordeal of late.
Things are panning out though, Praise His name.

As for a Christian counsellor, they are few and far between, like hen's teeth as my hubby would say.
I doubt that this new one I am going to next month will be, oh I would pray that he was though.
I've yet, in over 5 years to meet with one, I know they're out there, but were are they?

It is a bit of a tricky situ too, as my Mania was labelled, 'Religious Mania' so when I'm speaking with them, I don't want them to think that I'm on that same track, therefore I'm aware of speaking about Jesus, I cannot be as free of speech as I would like to be.
It has got easier though over these past years, as they see my mood is good, so I can get 'away' with a few 'praise the Lord's' or 'Thank the Lord' here and there, and know they won't be looking up the admissions book to add my name there, :shock:

Thank you for your reply, and your kind words, they mean much sister.
 
I think it is our duty as Christians to show the utmost respect and regard for the common agenda of the people of any forum, or place of business, etc.

huh? I thought the duty of Christians was to spread the Gospel.

I think it is not only presumptuous, but rather rude on our part, to expect to interject our 'God' response into any discussion, just because we believe God is the answer to every problem man has. (as He surely is)
Is this not how some people get to hear the Word and possibly be saved?

Take for example, if you go into a doctors office, and overhear the doctor discussing with a patient/ family that he is having a difficult time finding the problem, do you step up and interject, 'GOD will fix it, you should pray!'?
That is just being rude to interrupt a personal conversation. Not the same as a public forum.

Now, its great you are so eager to share your faith and all, and they may respectfully allow you to stand there and pray, but the likely reaction you will get is that if you want to preach God, you are welcome to go out into the street, but not in here. I`m sure there is no nice way for anyone to say that, but simply say it, and of course the 'christian' is going to be 'offended' and walk off in a huff, and say well i`m never going to that clinic again, they 'obviously' dont want my God so they dont want me.
Did the "likely reaction" stop Jesus? No, it did not. He still turned the tables over. He still confused the Pharisees with His knowledge of scripture. He had work to do and so do we.

Do you see? The attitude problem is not theirs as such, it is ours. There is a time and a place for all things...and the christian is to be wise...and harmless as a dove...not have an attitude that says....' because I am a christian, I will talk about God when I want, where ever I want, and folks can either like it, or I wont stay in their company!'
We are to be ready "in season and out" to preach the Word of God. It is our duty as Christians to take opportunities that are presented to us and use them to further the kingdom of God. Let us not forget that without our witnessing and the work of the Holy Spirit in their lives, some of the people in this world WILL NOT BE SAVED. They will be CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. And when we get to judgement, Jesus will say "I never knew you" because we are not doing the work He gave us to do. Harmless as a dove does not get people saved.

That is nothing but pride, and does not become a child of God.

Just my view of things...

Blessings
I am sorry to offend, but your attitude scares me. It is clearly not biblically based, as Jesus taught. In John 35-36 Jesus says: "Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for harvest! And he who reaps receives wages, and gathers fruit for eternal life, that both he who sows and he who reaps may rejoice together". Jesus wants us to get out there and preach the gospel. It is our WORK.

MAUREEN- Good on you! You are doing the work of our Saviour. Please remember Philippians 4:13 "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me". This verse came from Paul who was in prison and being persecuted for his faith and it applies to you as well. God will give us the strength to get through our trials of persecution. Do not give up on spreading the Word!

serve your King!
Mae
 
I have stayed around that Health Board, it can be difficult at times there though.
When you read what they say, and want to let them know there is a better way, but can't, it becomes difficult.
I have been asked one or two things, not really much, just what I meant by P.P.L and T.T.L. it let me pass on to them that that is what I do in all things.

Then when I posted about going to a Cottage Meeting I got another opportunity as was asked what is that.

It is difficult to also read the way they handle life events, I so burst to tell them, about Jesus, but they don't want to hear.
I pick out things that I can discuss, and get across how I deal with them.
So they then for sure can pick out a differant way.

I will stay for as long as the Lord will allow.
He will remove me when it becomes not the right place anymore.

Thank you for your input, is much welcomed.
 
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