Obama sides with terrorists over Israel.

[Chad]

Today, President Obama delivered an unprecedented rebuke of the Israeli people by an American president. In words that were designed to reach more Muslim citizens than United States citizens, Obama called Israel's legitimate West Bank settlements an "occupation"; and by calling for a return to the 1967 borders, he is calling for a divided Jerusalem. He continued to press Israel to negotiate with the Palestinian Authority (PA) and, subsequently, with the "Unity Government" the PA has formed with the terrorist group, Hamas.



If there was ever any question about the intent of those whom President Obama expects Israel to negotiate with, this week's news report gives a clear answer: "A member of the Palestinian Authority parliament spelled out his organization's vision for the genocidal annihilation of the Jewish people ... [giving] Arabs 'the honor' of annihilating 'the evil of this gang.'"

While President Obama may not recognize the threat a terrorist-run Palestinian government poses to Israel, we do and we're taking action. The ACLJ is stepping up its efforts to defend Israel in the diplomatic and legal war being waged by Hamas.

Will you stand with the ACLJ and Israel by supporting our efforts to defend America's greatest ally in the region? Please make a tax-deductible contribution in defense of Israel today.

I am now en route to Washington, D.C., to personally lead our legislative team's work with Congress to prevent U.S. tax dollars from going to the terrorist-run government and to coordinate our work at the United Nations (U.N.) to prevent the U.N. from recognizing the Palestinian Authority as an independent nation. I have also assembled a special senior legal team that will be in Israel to work in conjunction with Israeli officials on our legal efforts.

President Obama's disconnect from the facts on the ground in the Middle East is obvious. News reports show that the Hamas terrorist group has "not given Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas permission to negotiate with Israel," and now he all but abandons Israel in favor of giving in to the demands of terrorists.

Even members of President Obama's own party have recognized that we cannot support the Palestinian Authority now that the terrorist organization, Hamas, has joined the "Unity Government." Twenty-seven Democratic Senators have sent a letter urging President Obama to defund the new terrorist-run government.

Hamas continues to refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist, emphatically stating that it will stick with its "plan of resistance and not negotiations." How can President Obama demand that Israel negotiate with an organization that continues to utilize terrorism against it? It's absurd.

If President Obama will not defend Israel and continues to tell them to negotiate with terrorists, we must take a stand.

Support our senior ACLJ legal team in its mission to Israel by making a tax-deductible contribution today. Your gift will help provide the resources we need to prepare this critical defense of Israel in Congress and at the U.N.

It is abundantly clear that as long as Hamas is a part of the Palestinian government, there can be no peaceful solution in the Middle East. We must not allow American funds to be used to support this terrorist-run government, nor can we allow Israel to be pressured into negotiating with terrorists.

Thank you for your continued support as we engage in this battle to defend America's most trusted ally, Israel. It is through your generosity that we are able to mount this legislative and legal defense.

As always, I will continue to keep you informed as developments unfold in this critical fight. Thank you again.

Sincerely,

Jay Sekulow
ACLJ Chief Counsel

 

[farout]

President Obama scrificing Israel

Isrsel needs our support! President Obama has sided against Israel in the dispute of the land they got in 1967. Mr. Obama has taken the side of Palistine on this dispute. Israel has been our loyal friend, and is our only support in the mid-east.

Mr. Obama rejected a letter signed by Congress that supported Israel. Instead Mr. Obama made his on letter stating he rejects Israel claim to their God given Land.

Mr. Obama has done more to change the moral direction of our country, than any other president in our history. Every change Mr. Obama has made is the driection against our Christian nations history.

Unless you, Christian, contact your Senator, House Represntative, and others in government, our country will become just like the German people were when Hitler killed millions of Jews, and others.

Call the White house at 202 456 1111 and give your comment on what you think. This is only a comment line no one will talk with you. Israel needs our support!

President Obama has taken liberties beyond his authority as President. Please speak up. Evil grows when good people do nothing!

PLEASE DO NOT BE AFRAID TO STAND UP FOR OUR COUNTRY AND ISRAEL.

MR. OBAMA MUST KNOW HE HAS SPOKEN ONLY FOR A FEW, AND DOES NOT REPRESENT YOUR OPINION.:secret:

 

[Neuroscience101]

Mr. Obama has done more to change the moral direction of our country, than any other president in our history. Every change Mr. Obama has made is the driection against our Christian nations history.

Unless you, Christian, contact your Senator, House Represntative, and others in government, our country will become just like the German people were when Hitler killed millions of Jews, and others.

Whoa, whoa, whoa Farout. I think we need to take a step back here and really examine things critically.


First of all, it's a very bold claim to say that Obama has changed the moral direction of America more than any other president in our history. There are quite a few presidents who have acted in ways that changed the country more so than President Obama, including F. Roosevelt, Johnson, Reagan, and others - and that's a claim that's completely contingent on what you think the moral direction of our country actually is.

Second, and others have been over this before, America is not a Christian nation. There is no doubt that - in the past and present - there was/is a Christian majority, however that is different from establishing a nation as Christian. That said, this isn't the issue.

The real - and third issue - is this pathos jump you made to claiming that our nation will turn into Nazi Germany; the current policies, system of government, and preceding events are not even close to resembling what happened in the Third Reich. It is asinine to argue that, if we don't help Israel (which, by the way, the US still is) then we will be like the country that is responsible for the deaths of millions of Jews. There is no logical justification for that jump.

Finally, Obama is not "siding with terrorists" on the issue. He's simply supporting the two-state ideal in hopes for peace; several reporters and Israelis argue that this is neither a huge development or a bad thing. In fact, here are some quotes concerning the issue:

"Does Hamas-Fatah reconciliation make peace impossible or more likely?
Neither. It doesn’t make it impossible. It doesn’t make it more likely. It is just another wrinkle in the situation that the president rightfully said has to be determined by the Palestinians in a way that respects the principles of the Quartet in that the Palestinians must reject violence and recognize Israel’s right to exist." - CNN.com

-----CNN, "Israeli-Palestinian peace after Obama's speech"

"An American president that supports the two-state vision is representing Israeli interests and is not anti-Israel." - Tzipi Livni, Israeli Opposition leader (second largest party in Israeli Government, the Knesset).

------FOX News, "Israeli Opposition Leader Slams Netanyahu for 'Harming' U.S. Relationship"

You can also watch the latest discussion between President Obama and the Israeli Prime Minister, Nantenyahu, in which he reaffirms the U.S.'s commitment to U.S. security.

------ FOX News, "Obama Reaffirms U.S. Commitment to Israel's Security"

The American People have every right to voice their concern, but there is nothing to fear. Furthermore, there is no "evil" occurring. Peace is going to be a matter of compromise; Obama isn't going to simply allow Palestine to sweep across Israel and decimate it.

Things will be fine. There's no reason to get too upset

 

[farout]

Mr. Obama

Woe, Woe, Woe, Neuroscience101. I think we need take off those rose colored glasses and factually distinguish and spiritually discern what is good and evil.


Did you know that the United States has spent $170 million in rebuilding Muslim Mosques in Muslim controlled countries, with the help of our US Military? Ms. Hillary Clinton has overseen these projects, according to Daniel Piper. This issue is in direct conflict to the First Admendment, and it does demonstrate support for the Islam religion. Afghanistan has been one country that we have rebuilt Mosques and the US Mlitary handed out Qu'rans that the US Government paid for! The Military was sent Bibles to pass out but because these Bibles would have been offensive they were thrown in the trash and burned. These Bibles were sent at private expense and could have been sent back at no charge to the United States, but were trashed and burned! Most Americans are not aware of how Islam is a 3-legged organization:religious, political and militaristic and thay cannot be fully understood separately.

Mr. Obama has avoided the Yearly Day of Prayer two out of three years. However Mr. Obama has attended or publically recognized many of the Muslim special religious days and has met with Muslim religious leaders in the White House. Mr. Obama has appointed many Muslims on his staff and even on top security positions. Mr. Obama has said he would no longer defend the Marriage Law, that states marriage is between a man and a women. He swore to support the Constitution and the Laws of the United States. By refusing to defend the Marriage Law, Mr. Obama has lied. Remember Mr. Obama has declared that Gays can serve openly in the Military, this was done against Military Advisors saying this would NOT be wise or in the best interest of our military. Mr. Obama supports Gay marriage, which is against most Americans view on this subject. These are just a few examples of how Mr. Obama has indeed dramatically affected the morality of our Nation!

According to most of reliable polls taken, 78% of the population of the United States are Christians. This country, the United States was indeed founded as a Christian nation! There are many examples in historic writtings that clearly state that the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit were called upon to bless our country. Often Presidents have called upon the Nation to repent and confess our sin and seek the Lord Jesus Christ to help, and change a situation. This is according to William J. Fedderer of Faith in History. He is a nationally known expert in Christian related historical facts of the United States. (What Americans Need to Know About The Qur'an and other books by W.J. Fedderer is a must read.) For many years now our children's public school history books have removed the well documented history which related to Christianity. Isn't that odd seeing how it was Christians who were the first to be concerned for children's education and began the first public school movement?

Mr. Obama in recent days did trash a letter of support for Israel, signed by members by the Congress of the United Stateds. Instead Mr. Obama wrote his own letter stating Israel should return the land gained in the war of 1967. Mr. Obama, because of his offical letter has insulted, many, many Christians in the United States, and Jews in Israel.

Netanyahu openly stated on television that Israel would not return any land and that is was not open for discussion. By the way, the meeting between Obama and Netanyhu was cut short because of this outragious idea of Mr. Obama's.

CNN is a liberal station and represents the left of center on political issues, and supports those with same view points. So I am reluctant to take much they say as the general populations view point.
Israel is surrounded by Muslim countries.

The main objective of Hamas-Fatah is the eradication and extermination of every Jew on the planet! How can it be said "Does Hamas-Fatah reconcilliation make peace impossible or more likely? Neither." This is absurd logic and is more than a mere "wrinkle" in the negociations for so-called Peace! Especially when it is a well known fact that Muslims believe that Israel "is the Little Satan" and "the United States in the Big Satan!" In the Qu'ran any one who is not a Muslim, a believer in Islam, is an infidel, and should be killed. Israel, in the eyes of Islam believers, are infidels and have no rights. How can anyone not see that Hamas-Fatah is exactly like Germany was in World War II, and again the Jews are the ones to be exterminated!

Israel is the only loyal friend our nation has in the Middle East. So goes Israel, so goes the United States.

"Things will be fine. There's no reason to get upset." That is the very same attitude that sent 6,000,000 Jews and other nationalities to their death in Germany. Unless the people, and in particular, Christians, develop God given courage and stand with Israel, evil will take a horrid toll!

 

[Property Of God]

Can't believe Obama is negotiating with terrorists...

 

[Neuroscience101]

Woe, Woe, Woe, Neuroscience101. I think we need take off those rose colored glasses and factually distinguish and spiritually discern what is good and evil.

Well...that's a little antagonistic.

This issue is in direct conflict to the First Admendment

You know, I wanted to respond to all of that, but we need to start here first:

I think you're referring to the quote that, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" which I would take to mean that no religion can be endorsed by the federal government.

However, if you're going to use the First Ammendment to disparage against the few million dollars against the Muslim governments, then you should also object to the 1.6$ Trillion dollars we've spent in Israel since 1973

Source: Christian Science Monitory, "Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US"

Mr. Obama has avoided the Yearly Day of Prayer two out of three years. However Mr. Obama has attended or publically recognized many of the Muslim special religious days and has met with Muslim religious leaders in the White House. Mr. Obama has appointed many Muslims on his staff and even on top security positions. Mr. Obama has said he would no longer defend the Marriage Law, that states marriage is between a man and a women. He swore to support the Constitution and the Laws of the United States. By refusing to defend the Marriage Law, Mr. Obama has lied. Remember Mr. Obama has declared that Gays can serve openly in the Military, this was done against Military Advisors saying this would NOT be wise or in the best interest of our military. Mr. Obama supports Gay marriage, which is against most Americans view on this subject. These are just a few examples of how Mr. Obama has indeed dramatically affected the morality of our Nation!

How is the marriage law indicative of the Constitution? You're essentially arguing that President Obama's decisions are against the Christian morality and as such are against the nations morality.

By the way, or democracy is not based off of a strict majority; that's evident from many things in our framing such as the idea of a Senate and a House of Representatives. While it is true that the majority is important, we also have laws in place to protect the minority. Les you think the majority should be allowed to make all of the rules they want; in which case, then you could begin to make arguments about how we resemble Nazi Germany.

In addition, the August 2010 CNN Poll on gay marriage has found that favor has begun to shift from 45% in 2009 to 49% (in favor of) in 2010. There may be a "majority" against, but that's a very slim majority. Couple that with the fact that we have laws to protect the minority and you can see why it's not as simple an issue as "majority rules".

According to most of reliable polls taken, 78% of the population of the United States are Christians. This country, the United States was indeed founded as a Christian nation![/quote]

Starting here (I'll touch on the others briefly), that's like saying that because Gary, Indiana or Detroit, Michigan currently have large Black populations, those cities were founded as black cities.

As for the opinion of Mr. Fedderer, I would have to cite Frawn M Brodie in her book on Thomas Jefferson (p. 453), Benjamin Franklin's biography edited by Thomas Fleming (p. 404), and I'll finish off with Virginia Moore on James Madison in her work, "The Madisons".

Not to mention the fact that neither God nor Jesus appear in the Constitution, the framework of our nation. Mr. Fredderer's opinion is very nice but the Constitution is the Constitution, and if you're going to be ardent about not using the elastic clause, then you might as well acknowledge that it simply doesn't appear.

Mr. Obama in recent days did trash a letter of support for Israel, signed by members by the Congress of the United Stateds. Instead Mr. Obama wrote his own letter stating Israel should return the land gained in the war of 1967. Mr. Obama, because of his offical letter has insulted, many, many Christians in the United States, and Jews in Israel.

No saying he didn't.

CNN is a liberal station and represents the left of center on political issues, and supports those with same view points. So I am reluctant to take much they say as the general populations view point.
Israel is surrounded by Muslim countries.

Well, that's a bold claim. I also noticed you didn't say anything about Fox News and it's often citation as a Right-wing station that represents the right of political issues; do you think the "general population" is right wing?

The main objective of Hamas-Fatah is the eradication and extermination of every Jew on the planet! How can it be said "Does Hamas-Fatah reconcilliation make peace impossible or more likely? Neither." This is absurd logic and is more than a mere "wrinkle" in the negociations for so-called Peace! Especially when it is a well known fact that Muslims believe that Israel "is the Little Satan" and "the United States in the Big Satan!" In the Qu'ran any one who is not a Muslim, a believer in Islam, is an infidel, and should be killed. Israel, in the eyes of Islam believers, are infidels and have no rights. How can anyone not see that Hamas-Fatah is exactly like Germany was in World War II, and again the Jews are the ones to be exterminated!

How is Hamas-Fatah representative of every Muslim in the world? Do you think that the Westboro Baptist Church is representative of every Christian in America?

Why is the quote above absurd logic?

You're equivocating radical Islam with what most Muslims hold. Do you truly believe that most of the muslims in the US believe that the U.S. is Satan?

How can we not see? Probably because Nazi Germany began when the country was in a state of financial collapse and needed a scapegoat; perhaps it's because Hamas-Fatah haven't done what Germany did which was ignore what everyone said and simply take land and begin killing people without anyone intervening.

The fact that the U.S. is involved is a demonstration that we're already able to halt events like the Holocaust and Nazi Germany. These events were able to grow because no one intervened. No we are, and you think that's the wrong thing to do?

Israel is the only loyal friend our nation has in the Middle East. So goes Israel, so goes the United States.

"Things will be fine. There's no reason to get upset." That is the very same attitude that sent 6,000,000 Jews and other nationalities to their death in Germany. Unless the people, and in particular, Christians, develop God given courage and stand with Israel, evil will take a horrid toll!

No, the attitude that sent over six million people to their premature deaths was an adherence to unquestioned dogma, a decimated economy and country, and strict control over the citizens daily lives down to the point where reproduction activities were important to the state.

Currently, no one is experiencing (aside from those with certain beliefs) that problem, and countries are taking an interest in the problem. The connection to the holocaust is completely unnecessary and without merit.

 

[Metamorphoze]

There was a guy here I talked to a bit. He seemed to cop a bit of flak when he spoke against Obama, but what he said was true. I was watching many of his speeches online. He speaks against the Bible, jokes about Jesus significance and never has anything good to say about america. But he always praises Islam, telling everyone how we owe a debt to them, quoting many times from the Quran (I mean lots!), speaking in a perfect Arab accent! He even bowed to the saudi Arabian king, a first ever by a head of state from the West, first ever Us president. anyway I just though you all should know this. Some people got upst with what this guy said about Obama (whose Birth cirtificate is a proven fake) and you guys band him, but he was right all along. It just makes me wonder how openly we can talk about real issues here. Some people like to push you down if you say what they dont like even if it's an obvious fact.

 

[Metamorphoze]

Isrsel needs our support! President Obama has sided against Israel in the dispute of the land they got in 1967. Mr. Obama has taken the side of Palistine on this dispute. Israel has been our loyal friend, and is our only support in the mid-east.

Mr. Obama rejected a letter signed by Congress that supported Israel. Instead Mr. Obama made his on letter stating he rejects Israel claim to their God given Land.

Mr. Obama has done more to change the moral direction of our country, than any other president in our history. Every change Mr. Obama has made is the driection against our Christian nations history.

Unless you, Christian, contact your Senator, House Represntative, and others in government, our country will become just like the German people were when Hitler killed millions of Jews, and others.

Call the White house at 202 456 1111 and give your comment on what you think. This is only a comment line no one will talk with you. Israel needs our support!

President Obama has taken liberties beyond his authority as President. Please speak up. Evil grows when good people do nothing!

PLEASE DO NOT BE AFRAID TO STAND UP FOR OUR COUNTRY AND ISRAEL.

MR. OBAMA MUST KNOW HE HAS SPOKEN ONLY FOR A FEW, AND DOES NOT REPRESENT YOUR OPINION.:secret:

I speak to you as a German. Sadly my family goes back to noblemen who were apart of the Nazi regime. I see the USA become like Germany of old. Obama is centralising everything into the government. Americans are not fighting against this socialist madman. Christians are not filling their role in the world either, instead they compromise the faith to fit in to secular society. Too afraid of persecution and too in love with the world I am thinking, you agree? But if you speak out you get attacked by christians too! Like I said in my other post. a member here got banned for talking against what is going on. That makes me very worried about where christianity is right now. Maybe I'm wrong, but this for me is a big concern.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

I think you're referring to the quote that, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" which I would take to mean that no religion can be endorsed by the federal government.

I remember reading (and I honestly don't remember where) that this amendment was written to counteract movements within the thirteen original states to make the predominant Christian denominations in said states the official religion of that state.

SLE

 

[Neuroscience101]

I remember reading (and I honestly don't remember where) that this amendment was written to counteract movements within the thirteen original states to make the predominant Christian denominations in said states the official religion of that state.

SLE

I actually haven't read that, but I would love to know more. I had a chance to catch one of The Daily Show interviews with a scholar on the American Constitution, Richard Beeman (totally just looked it up), who - in a response to a previous interviewee who stated that the original ammendment (and article six of the constitution) were previously created as rules and regulations against the federal government and that the states were not forced to abide by them.

Beeman went on record saying that, in terms of the times in which three states (which I believe where Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire - did not originally spell any of these correct), did not originally support the federal government intervention in state-endorsed religion that he was absolutely correct and that the states did not have to ratify the Bill of Rights. However, the historian was completely ignoring the fact that - in less than a century - every state ended up ratifying the Bill of Rights and subsequently the Bill of Rights then applied to both Federal and State rule.

Again, I'm not a constitutional scholar, but I think what you originally said is correct SLE, except the majority of states at that time and eventually all of them ended up supporting separation of church and state. In fact, I believe it was Madison who staunchly opposed state-endorsed religion (originally defeated) but it still came to pass.