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Open Mic - Biblical Sexuality Statement - 1st Baptist Church of Jacksonville

Christ4Ever

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Looking to see your thoughts on this my Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus.

Local News prior to start of the open mic:

The actual Open Mic:


You can compare what is said by the local news verses what is actually said in the statement which is provided in the Open Mic segment.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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It's always a touchy subject huh? :)

In a way it's a sad that churches have to come out and make a statement about their policies and doctrines. A sign of the times I guess.
On the other hand, yes we should reach out to and minister to those who struggle in sin. It's possible Jesus would love them as people
and so should we. But Jesus wouldn't condone their sin and neither should we.

Ezek 3:18; "When I say to the wicked, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to warn the wicked from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand.
Ezek 3:19; "Yet if you have warned the wicked and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered yourself.
Ezek 3:20; "Again, when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I place an obstacle before him, he will die; since you have not warned him, he shall die in his sin, and his righteous deeds which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand.
Ezek 3:21; "However, if you have warned the righteous man that the righteous should not sin and he does not sin, he shall surely live because he took warning; and you have delivered yourself."

There is a "magic moment" of conversion. I don't know when it happens, I suppose it's different for different people.
Someone might go up for an altar call, and receive Jesus and instantly stop drinking, smoking and fornicating all within a minute a two. I've heard testimonies of people changing almost instantly.
For other people, it's more of a process. In some cases they may not even know doing a certain thing is a sin. Often once they do know... it takes a period of time for them to change.
A few hours? Days? Weeks? I don't know that God has a hard and fast time for people to change. I suspect very few of us entirely quit sinning 100% even after we have been saved for decades.

But while it is important for us to share the gospel and the love of God to these people. It is equally important to warn them of the consequences in continuing in a sinful lifestyle.
The verses in Ezekiel 3 above say if I know someone is sinning and I don't warn them of the consequences, their blood is on my hands. I will be held accountable for not warning them.
All that aside, which is really more loving? To tell someone their sin doesn't matter, God loves them no matter what.... even though the reality is, they will burn in hell. ( or Lake of Fire if you will ).
It seems to me, that is lying to them. Should we lie to people in order to get them to accept Jesus? Or should we tell them the truth up front. If you become a Christian, you have to give up
this lifestyle. You don't have to be perfect. But you do have to quit living a certain way. Now I suppose it's possible they will reject Jesus if they know there are some rules involved.
In that case, they are no worse off than they were before. They're still going to hell. But is that worse, than us lying to them and telling them God is OK with it?

John 8:11; She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more."]
John 5:14; Afterward Jesus *found him in the temple and said to him, "Behold, you have become well; do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse happens to you."
Luke 13:3; "I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

Yes Jesus hung around with harlots and tax collectors. But He never told them God doesn't care about your sin.
 
I do not see the need for members of a congregation to have loyalty cards to enter the building.
The oversight just need to preach sound doctrine and stand on the word of God.
We do. We preach the righteousness of God from the scriptures.
We preach on how to get saved and also how to stay saved.
Those who love God and righteousness stay - those who have a problem with this leave and go elsewhere (usually a happy clappy church).
God is calling people OUT OF THE WORLD - the elect, the ekklesia, the saints consecrated, justified and sanctified in God by his HOLY Spirit.
Those who remain in the world and desire to be like the world will share in the destruction coming on this world.
Ye cannot serve two masters.
 
I do not see the need for members of a congregation to have loyalty cards to enter the building.
Dear Brother,
I don't see where the church says what you have stated above.
This is part of the problem, and why I placed the news feed link first. That one can see how the media presents, verses what in this case the church is saying. They don't agree and it becomes who do you side with? Most people not knowing how churches operate, and will probably never visit the church in question, will believe whatever they hear from the media. Even knowing that the media has a tendency to slant their reporting against religious topics to make them look bad. Sad, but true.

Almost every church, but not all, that I know of, and even sites, like here at Talk Jesus have statements of faith which membership says they'll abide by/believe to be true, while just attendees who are not members do not. It doesn't mean they can't attend, but usually during business meetings, they don't have voting rights. Like in replacing the Pastor, or approving building projects, expenditures etc. Non-members fall into that latter category. As I've said before it doesn't prevent them from attending services, using services provided by the church i.e., childcare, food pantries, etc. Then again it depends on the church in question on the specifics. This particular church it appears doesn't have a door check preventing entry to non-members. :)

It's like our Brother @B-A-C has stated here and on other threads. It's not that we don't welcome the sinner, but we should be preaching that they are sinners, and what those sins are! I do believe that we are doing all people an injustice by not telling them what God states sin is, or sugar coating them in order to get on their good side or repentance!

If you listened to the Open Mic vid, which is long, you will have heard someone who is not a member proclaiming themselves as belonging to the LG... alphabet...community and how they are against what they believed was this statement put out by church. The fact that the statement didn't mention any particular sin, but the general wording for Biblical Sexuality/Man/Woman yet identified it as being against their community shows me that they know what the Bible has to say on the subject, and how they are living. I'm sure they don't agree with God, or anyone who even suggests that what they are doing is wrong!

The sadder speaker for me was the one girl who spoke of being of that lifestyle and attending the church and was trying to bring her dad/family to attending, but because they are liberal that this was now because of this statement harder to do. Also, that for her whether to continue to attend and being confused on what to do was where she was at. It reminds me of a verse I read this morning: "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name's sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life. Matthew 29:29 NKJV Yet this girl didn't seem to see that the actual choice she had to make was always between Jesus, and everything else, but not just between this churches statement and her lifestyle/family.

Sad days we are living in brother. That the church did this, and has created discussion to happen, I applaud. Soon enough the government will come knocking on the doors of churches to see if they're preaching "hateful" messages against minority groups. :(

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><
 
Well said Nick. I have taught scriptural marriage a few times in class and on the internet and always there is the question, "Are you telling me I married all those girls in the back seat?" People enjoy their sin and only go to the Eternal Lake of Fire because they will not repent. Because I left the stage, married a saint, stopped drugging, drinking, and chasing younger women and with study began to teach the scriptures, led of and by the Holy Ghost I am called Self Righteous. LOL. I they ever found out what Yashua has tossed into Eternal Emptiness that was formerly mine.

May YHWH always bless your teaching.
 
Ezek 3:18; "When I say to the wicked, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to warn the wicked from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand.
Ezek 3:19; "Yet if you have warned the wicked and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered yourself.
Ezek 3:20; "Again, when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I place an obstacle before him, he will die; since you have not warned him, he shall die in his sin, and his righteous deeds which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand.
Ezek 3:21; "However, if you have warned the righteous man that the righteous should not sin and he does not sin, he shall surely live because he took warning; and you have delivered yourself."

This also reminds me of that

Acts 20:26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.

Acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

Paul being pure from the blood of all men is comparable to his warning them.

Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.

God bless
 
Soon enough the government will come knocking on the doors of churches to see if they're preaching "hateful" messages against minority groups. :(
They already do that Downunder - in the state of Victoria it is illegal to preach against homosexuality and gender fluidity as being sinful (conversion through religious practices)
legal clause in the Act > (b) carrying out a religious practice, including but not limited to, a prayer based practice, a deliverance practice or an exorcism;
10 Offence of engaging in one or more change or suppression practices that cause serious injury -
Penalty: In the case of a natural person, level 5 imprisonment (10 years maximum) or a level 5 fine (1200 penalty units maximum) or both;
 
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