Out from under : the law

[Bethel]

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The law is not our savior......it is our moral boundary and our lighthouse that shows us the way to the Cross.

The commandments are not our savior, they are a perfect moral boundary that keep us safe from committing deeds that will harm us and those around us.

Water baptism is not our salvation....it is in fact a part of our discipleship that follows becoming a real disciple of Christ. (born again).
Being water baptized is like getting an Army Uniform. You can get it, and not be in the army, or you can get it because you are already signed up.

Now here is a mystery...
The born again exist, already, in eternity with God....("Seated in heavenly places in Christ".
Why ? Its because....They already exist in the Kingdom of God, having been "translated from darkness TO Light..." .... See that translation? See that spiritual change? The born again left the darkness and entered the LIGHT.
Jesus is the LIGHT of the World. The born again are Children of the Light.
This is all SPIRITUAL, and it is in fact, the Eternal situation.

Now, how to understand this?

Its simple.......these verses are not talking about your body or your mind.
Your body is going to the grave reader, and your mind has to be renewed constantly.....as neither of these is restored by the new birth.
The new birth is inside you, .. its your SPIRIT......only.
The real you, is not your body or your mind. The real you, is your BORN AGAIN Spirit... that has become "ONE with GOD".

Are you born again and not just water baptized into a cult? Then if so.....you are this.....>"As Jesus IS....so are the born again, IN THIS WORLD"..

And what happens when you no longer think of yourself as a body and a mind , but come to the revelation that you are now "'ONE WITH GOD"....>"In Christ". "Spiritually"= which is the real you, and the real eternal LIFE ?
What happens?
Well , the very instant you SEE the LIGHT of this revelation, understanding that you are now "made righteous" by "the gift of Righteousness", is the very instant that you begin your true walk as a disciple of Christ in the renewing of the mind.
Not until.

See, real Christianity, is about KNOWING who you have become "in Christ"......, whereas self righteousness (Religion)....is about doing yet not knowing..

A religious but lost person says...>"im working to get there"........ But a born again believer says..>"im there already, and that is why i work".

The born again have won the race already, and then they get on the track and run .....

Listen, you dont become a Christian after a lifetime of trying to be one.
You become one, the instant you are born again SPIRITUALLY, and then you live your life learning more and more regarding the reality of who you have BECOME "in Christ" when you were first born again.
Christians "Start Finished", then we live out the discipleship.
Once you are born again, and not just water baptized, then you have become "ONE with God"..."IN Christ"...
So, can you become more than "the righteousness of God" ???? and "Made righteous"???? as that is what you become when you are born again............
Study to show yourself approved is to learn what this MEANS, and you live in that RIGHT MIND, and in this, you find God's Grace which becomes your power of Christ to live a perfected discipleship.
Paul teaches this as....>>"Christ ALWAYS gives me the Victory".
Victory over what? = The world, the flesh, and the devil.

"work out your salvation" does not mean to try to earn it or to try to keep from losing it. It simply means to learn to understand that you already have it, (Christ in you the hope of Glory). (Glory is heaven, the place).....and how you are to exit or "work out" what you already possess.

 

[Keithw]

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The law is not our savior......it is our moral boundary and our lighthouse that shows us the way to the Cross.

The commandments are not our savior, they are a perfect moral boundary that keep us safe from committing deeds that will harm us and those around us.

Water baptism is not our salvation....it is in fact a part of our discipleship that follows becoming a real disciple of Christ. (born again).
Being water baptized is like getting an Army Uniform. You can get it, and not be in the army, or you can get it because you are already signed up.

Now here is a mystery...
The born again exist, already, in eternity with God....("Seated in heavenly places in Christ".
Why ? Its because....They already exist in the Kingdom of God, having been "translated from darkness TO Light..." .... See that translation? See that spiritual change? The born again left the darkness and entered the LIGHT.
Jesus is the LIGHT of the World. The born again are Children of the Light.
This is all SPIRITUAL, and it is in fact, the Eternal situation.

Now, how to understand this?

Its simple.......these verses are not talking about your body or your mind.
Your body is going to the grave reader, and your mind has to be renewed constantly.....as neither of these is restored by the new birth.
The new birth is inside you, .. its your SPIRIT......only.
The real you, is not your body or your mind. The real you, is your BORN AGAIN Spirit... that has become "ONE with GOD".

Are you born again and not just water baptized into a cult? Then if so.....you are this.....>"As Jesus IS....so are the born again, IN THIS WORLD"..

And what happens when you no longer think of yourself as a body and a mind , but come to the revelation that you are now "'ONE WITH GOD"....>"In Christ". "Spiritually"= which is the real you, and the real eternal LIFE ?
What happens?
Well , the very instant you SEE the LIGHT of this revelation, understanding that you are now "made righteous" by "the gift of Righteousness", is the very instant that you begin your true walk as a disciple of Christ in the renewing of the mind.
Not until.

See, real Christianity, is about KNOWING who you have become "in Christ"......, whereas self righteousness (Religion)....is about doing yet not knowing..

A religious but lost person says...>"im working to get there"........ But a born again believer says..>"im there already, and that is why i work".

The born again have won the race already, and then they get on the track and run .....

Listen, you dont become a Christian after a lifetime of trying to be one.
You become one, the instant you are born again SPIRITUALLY, and then you live your life learning more and more regarding the reality of who you have BECOME "in Christ" when you were first born again.
Christians "Start Finished", then we live out the discipleship.
Once you are born again, and not just water baptized, then you have become "ONE with God"..."IN Christ"...
So, can you become more than "the righteousness of God" ???? and "Made righteous"???? as that is what you become when you are born again............
Study to show yourself approved is to learn what this MEANS, and you live in that RIGHT MIND, and in this, you find God's Grace which becomes your power of Christ to live a perfected discipleship.
Paul teaches this as....>>"Christ ALWAYS gives me the Victory".
Victory over what? = The world, the flesh, and the devil.

"work out your salvation" does not mean to try to earn it or to try to keep from losing it. It simply means to learn to understand that you already have it, (Christ in you the hope of Glory). (Glory is heaven, the place).....and how you are to exit or "work out" what you already possess.

Jesus teaches-Matthew10:22--Those who endure ( living now in a satan ruled system to do his Fathers will( Matt 7:21)) until their end( death or Har-mageddon) -will be saved--It does not say those have it now. One must endure until their end to get saved. Any can fall. Judas did, Solomon did, any one can fall. One can however be in that saved position if they are living now to do Jesus Fathers will and go all the way until their end.

 

[Bethel]

Jesus teaches-Matthew10:22--Those who endure ( living now in a satan ruled system to do his Fathers will( Matt 7:21)) until their end( death or Har-mageddon) -will be saved-

Being born again, is not something you achieve.

Who goes to heaven?
ONLY the born again....which is a spiritual birth, that can't be accomplished by getting wet in a pool, river, lake, or church baptismal.

Jesus said, "you must get wet".

No, he didnt.
He said...>"you must be born again", if you want to go to heaven, as only the born again, spiritually, are already there. "seated in heavenly places",... "One with God,".. "in Christ.".

So, being born again, is how and why, you go to heaven.
There is no other way.
Also, to be born again, is God giving you the new birth, as a GIFT.......and never do you earn a gift, or work for it.

The law is for the unrighteous.
The born again, are the "made righteous"..."In Christ".......they are the redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, and this blood is their eternal security.

 

[Keithw]

Being born again, is not something you achieve.

Who goes to heaven?
ONLY the born again....which is a spiritual birth, that can't be accomplished by getting wet in a pool, river, lake, or church baptismal.

Jesus said, "you must get wet".

No, he didnt.
He said...>"you must be born again", if you want to go to heaven, as only the born again, spiritually, are already there. "seated in heavenly places",... "One with God,".. "in Christ.".

So, being born again, is how and why, you go to heaven.
There is no other way.
Also, to be born again, is God giving you the new birth, as a GIFT.......and never do you earn a gift, or work for it.

The law is for the unrighteous.
The born again, are the "made righteous"..."In Christ".......they are the redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, and this blood is their eternal security.

Again Jesus says you are in error. Matthew 7:21-23--Jesus says-Those who live now to do his fathers will get to enter his kingdom,( this is very hard to accomplish in a satan ruled system) and to the rest at judgement Jesus says this--Get away from me you who work iniquity=lawlessness(a practicer of a sin) i must confess i never even knew you.
Not one on earth who practices a sin is even known by Jesus let alone born again. The Nt teaches as well Law will written on hearts--this means--A heart that has that Law written on it, wouldnt even consider, stealing from his brothers, committing adultery on their mate, etc,etc,etc-all the way down the line.
1John 3= a mirror for all to peer into. Teaches who are Gods children and who are the devils children, It says--- Its impossible for a child of God to practice even 1 sin. This world is in big trouble. 99% on earth are doing at least 1 of these unacceptable sins-1Corinthians 6:9-11--Galations 5:19-21--Paul mentions spiritism. The Greek word is Farmacia-so drugs are a part of that. Not to even mention all the false god worship all over the earth. This world is in big trouble, no wonder Jesus taught-FEW will find the road.

 

[Bethel]

Again Jesus says you are in error. Matthew 7:21-23--Jesus says-

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Salvation is Christ on the Cross.
This is GOD, as Christ, literally dying for your sin on the Cross.
This is already accomplished........which is not you keeping the law, or the commandments, .... as Salvation is a GIFT, that is God giving you His very own righteousness.
This is "the GIFT of Salvation" and "the GIFT of righteousness".


Being born again, is not what you do, its what God does for you...,. based on what God as Christ on the Cross has done FOR YOU already, 2000 yrs ago.
If a person has this "gift of Righteousness" then they are "accepted in the beloved", "born again".....and are now a Son of God for eternity.
Christ lives in them, and God is their Father.

This is the Grace of God, which is the redemption of a human being, and the forgiveness of all their sin, ....... which is the only reason God allows you into heaven.
God does not accept your good deeds, and your commandment keeping, to accept you. If He did, then Jesus didn't have to die for you.

Salvation is not The Cross + you trying to keep the law and commandments.

Listen....... God only accepts what HE Himself provided to make you acceptable to Himself......, and that is never ever what you do....as your works and your lifestyle is never accepted as your salvation because none of that can pay for your sin.
Understand?
So, you have to have your sin resolved, to end up in heaven, and you can't resolve your sin, with deeds or water, or commandments, or law.
See, the law and commandments and water..... have no power to make you righteous... and you have to be as righteous as God, to live in Him and with Him.
This is why He came here........to provide you with His righteousness so that He can accept you.
Only Christ's life and blood and death and resurrection as PROOF, is accepted to make you acceptable, to God.

Trying to go to heaven and be a Son of God based on law and commandment keeping is exactly how you will never go.

John 14:6

 

[Keithw]

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Salvation is Christ on the Cross.
This is GOD, as Christ, literally dying for your sin on the Cross.
This is already accomplished........which is not you keeping the law, or the commandments, .... as Salvation is a GIFT, that is God giving you His very own righteousness.
This is "the GIFT of Salvation" and "the GIFT of righteousness".


Being born again, is not what you do, its what God does for you...,. based on what God as Christ on the Cross has done FOR YOU already, 2000 yrs ago.
If a person has this "gift of Righteousness" then they are "accepted in the beloved", "born again".....and are now a Son of God for eternity.
Christ lives in them, and God is their Father.

This is the Grace of God, which is the redemption of a human being, and the forgiveness of all their sin, ....... which is the only reason God allows you into heaven.
God does not accept your good deeds, and your commandment keeping, to accept you. If He did, then Jesus didn't have to die for you.

Salvation is not The Cross + you trying to keep the law and commandments.

Listen....... God only accepts what HE Himself provided to make you acceptable to Himself......, and that is never ever what you do....as your works and your lifestyle is never accepted as your salvation because none of that can pay for your sin.
Understand?
So, you have to have your sin resolved, to end up in heaven, and you can't resolve your sin, with deeds or water, or commandments, or law.
See, the law and commandments and water..... have no power to make you righteous... and you have to be as righteous as God, to live in Him and with Him.
This is why He came here........to provide you with His righteousness so that He can accept you.
Only Christ's life and blood and death and resurrection as PROOF, is accepted to make you acceptable, to God.

Trying to go to heaven and be a Son of God based on law and commandment keeping is exactly how you will never go.

John 14:6

If Christ literally died for everyones sin, they wouldnt owe the wages of sin, yet every one who has lived and are not here anymore died and paid their own wage of sin. Acts2:22- Repentence gets sin blotted out. Not a single place in the bible says the great crowd which no man can number are going to heaven. The ones going to heaven are numbered-Rev 14:3-144,000= the little flock( Luke 12:32) The bible says of the great crowd will stand before the throne. At that point no matter where one stands, on earth, the moon, they will be standing before the throne. Gods kingdom rule will be in full control of all creation then. Jesus gave them this promise-Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the Earth. So did the psalmist-Psalm 37:29--The Righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it.
You have the wrong teachers. they do not have truth. Those who repent are the righteous- and at 1 Cor 6:9-11 it states--that is what some of you were=past tense-They stopped doing sin. Those 2 lists are unacceptable to God, not even to mention all the false god worship on the earth.
Once saved always saved is a croc of bull. You think Judas was saved. He was a hand picked apostle by Jesus.
Hebrews 10:26--those who practice sin, no sacrafice left--Means Jesus death does not cover one who practices a sin. No man on earth has the right to tell another-You are saved, he does not know
1) he cannot read the true heart
2) he hasnt seen a single name written in Gods book of life
3) he has no clue who can endure until their end.
They do get a lot of tithes asurring those you are saved.
There is whole bible--A two edged sword.

 

[Bethel]

If Christ literally died for everyones sin, they wouldnt owe the wages of sin,

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Its because all have sinned and come short of God's Righteousness and God's Standard of Holiness and Morality, that GOD HIMSELF had to come here as the Bread who came down from Heaven, who IS Eternal Life.......to provide this to you.
God became one of us to offer HIS SALVATION He gained on the Cross, to all of us.

The wages of sin is DEATH.....so, you have died.... reader..........your body is on the way to the grave, dying right now...... and your spirit died when you committed your first sin.
Your spirit did not cease to exist, but rather it became disconnected from God's, so, you have to be reconnected SPIRITUALLY, ..by being born again by the Spirit of God, into the Spirit of God.
See....we are born and we sin....and then.....we are this.... "in adam all die, all are dead". but in Christ all are made ALIVE, as the 2nd Adam, who is God manifested in the flesh, has provided HIS LIFE, his HOLY LIFE that He Lived as a man, sinless, perfect, to YOU, as if you did it..
See that?
That is God, as a man, living the holy life that you didnt, and you get this as the "Gift of Salvation", when you trust in Christ and are born again.

Let me put it bluntly and simply.
When you go to the Cross, trusting Christ, .. Christ becomes your sin and you become His very righteousness.
That is the "GIFT of Salvation", and "the GIFT of Righteousness".......... The born again are "made righteous".

Listen,
we are in the dark time of christianity, just before the Grt Trb, and just before the Rapture of the Body of Christ.
Its nearly impossible to hear the real gospel online or from a pulpit, as Satan has owned most of the Church, and owns all the secular media.

The simplicity that is "in Christ" where you understand the Gospel as "Christ became my sin, and i became His righteousness"'... = SALVATION......this is Paul's "preaching of the Cross", and its so rare to hear it in 2021.
But its the same power of the Cross and its the same Grace of God that is given as "the gift of righteousness" for 2000 yrs.....and all who can HEAR it, and will come and receive God's amazing Grace, = BECAUSE they have BELIEVED the Gospel, are given the New Birth and are now become "One with God". and "in Christ"....having received Eternal Life.

This gift, this Salvation, excludes works, law, commandments, deeds, lifestyle.

Why?
Because only JESUS SAVES.
NOTHIG ELSE WILL GOD ACCEPT, to save you, except for Himself on the Cross dying for you.

Believe it.
Its the Gospel.

 

[Keithw]

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Its because all have sinned and come short of God's Righteousness and God's Standard of Holiness and Morality, that GOD HIMSELF had to come here as the Bread who came down from Heaven, who IS Eternal Life.......to provide this to you.
God became one of us to offer HIS SALVATION He gained on the Cross, to all of us.

The wages of sin is DEATH.....so, you have died.... reader..........your body is on the way to the grave, dying right now...... and your spirit died when you committed your first sin.
Your spirit did not cease to exist, but rather it became disconnected from God's, so, you have to be reconnected SPIRITUALLY, ..by being born again by the Spirit of God, into the Spirit of God.
See....we are born and we sin....and then.....we are this.... "in adam all die, all are dead". but in Christ all are made ALIVE, as the 2nd Adam, who is God manifested in the flesh, has provided HIS LIFE, his HOLY LIFE that He Lived as a man, sinless, perfect, to YOU, as if you did it..
See that?
That is God, as a man, living the holy life that you didnt, and you get this as the "Gift of Salvation", when you trust in Christ and are born again.

Let me put it bluntly and simply.
When you go to the Cross, trusting Christ, .. Christ become your sin and you become His righteousness.
That is the "GIFT of Salvation", and "the GIFT of Righteousness".......... The born again are "made righteous".

Listen,
we are in the dark time of christianity, just before the Grt Trb, and just before the Rapture of the Body of Christ.
Its nearly impossible to hear the real gospel online or from a pulpit, as Satan has owned most of the Church, and owns all the secular media.

The simplicity that is "in Christ" where you understand the Gospel as "Christ became my sin, and i became His righteousness"'... = SALVATION......this is Paul's "preaching of the Cross", and its so rare to hear it in 2021.
But its the same power of the Cross and its the same Grace of God that is given as "the gift of righteousness" for 2000 yrs.....and all who can HEAR it, and will come and receive God's amazing Grace, who have BELIEVED the Gospel, are given the New Birth and are now become "One with God". and "in Christ"....having received Eternal Life.

This gift, this Salvation, excludes works, law, commandments, deeds, lifestyle.

Why?
Because only JESUS SAVES.
NOTHIG ELSE WILL GOD ACCEPT, to save you, except for Himself on the Cross dying for you.

Believe it.
Its the Gospel.

Try not repenting and see where it gets you. Try not obeying everything Jesus taught, he meant every word, and he said to all he cured-Go sin no more--He meant it. Even if ones lives righteous now, it is still grace because none really deserve it. Jesus assurred all-Those living now to do his Fathers will, get to enter his kingdom-Matt 7:21--BELIEVE JESUS. That is every utterance Jesus taught. Few have bothered learning every utterance because some man assurred them-you are saved. Their Jaws are gonna drop when Jesus says to them at judgement--Get away from me you who work iniquity, i must confess i never even knew you.

 

[rstrats]

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This gift, this Salvation, excludes works, law, commandments, deeds, lifestyle.

Does everyone receive this gift? And if not, what is the decision based on as to who gets it ?

 

[Bethel]

Does everyone receive this gift? And if not, what is the decision based on as to who gets it ?

John 3: 16

For God so loved the world that He GAVE HIS SON.......

See that?

That is God, offering you and me and the "world", ... forgiveness for all our sin.

See, its sin that is the broken bridge, between humanity and God.

"sin".......we have all sinned...............so, this has to be dealt with SO THAT......God can have us, can accept us.

HE, dealt with it, for us......>He sent His Son to die on The Cross and this is how God deals with our sin. He lets HIS SON die for them all........

This offer is : SALVATiON...........what Jesus did for us on the Cross.......is How God allows us to be forgiven.
See that?
God's Son dying for OUR sin.................and a person says......"why would God do that for us, for ME ????"

A.) Because God loves us that much, and wants us to be a part of His Family.


Q.) How do you get this Sacrifice for sin, that Christ died to give you..........applied to you?

You just have to hear what im telling you, and believe it.
Thats it.

"The will of GOD, is that you BELIEVE ON JESUS< whom God Sent".

And when a person does.....Then God accepts this FAITH, this BELIEF.....this TRUST, and Christ become your "sin bearer" and you become forgiven and restored to God's family.

This is :"SALVATiON". This is what it means to "be saved".

You've heard this......."Jesus saves"?

Now you see it..........now you see how He does it.

 

[rstrats]

Q.) How do you get this Sacrifice for sin, that Christ died to give you..........applied to you?

You just have to hear what im telling you, and believe it.
Thats it.

"The will of GOD, is that you BELIEVE ON JESUS< whom God Sent".

So then not everyone receives the gift. It's only given to those who meet certain requirements, i.e., believe what Bethel says and believe on the Messiah. BTW, what does it mean to believe on the Messiah? And since beliefs can't be consciously engendered what is a person to do?

 

[Bethel]

So then not everyone receives the gift.

The only requirement ..... is that you believe that God exists, and that you understand WHY Jesus died ON the Cross for you...
This is BELIEVING.............and "all that shall believe, shall be saved".

John 3:16

 

[rstrats]

The only requirement ..... is that you believe that God exists, and that you understand WHY Jesus died ON the Cross for you...
This is BELIEVING.............and "all that shall believe, shall be saved".

John 3:16

So you're saying that the devils don't understand why the Messiah died on the cross?