Pope Endorses Civil Unions for Same Sex Couples

[Christ4Ever]

The subject speaks for itself. You can add this as another sign of the times that we are in.
Lord come quickly.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Pope Francis endorses civil unions for same-sex couples

Pope Francis has called for the creation of civil union laws that would help same-sex couples create families as children of God, challenging a previous conclusion by the Catholic Church that

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[Sue D.]

His endorsing it certainly does Not make it right. God's Word stands -- the pope is merely a man.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

His endorsing it certainly does Not make it right. God's Word stands -- the pope is merely a man.

Note, though, that Bergoglio DID NOT endorse Homosexual "MARRIAGE" which is quite a different thing than a "Civil Union" which essentially grants the same LEGAL/ECONOMIC/ACCESS/PROPERTY benefits that a Marriage does, but is NOT a Marriage.

MARRIAGE, is a WHOLE DIFFERENT THING spiritually - i.e. They two, in the sight of GOD, becoming "One Flesh".

I'm no "Fan" of Bergoglio, OR the "Holy Roman Catholic Church Corp." BUT but he did get this one right. Homosexual unions granting legal rights in the U.S. already existed, but the Homosexuals weren't satisfied, until they could "Marry" in the church as though it was acceptable to God, even though such a thing was, Is, and always will be impossible Biblically.

 

[Sue D.]

There is no such thing as 'homosexual 'marriage' -- 'civil union' is also 'society' and Not God's Marriage.

Hmm - we're saying the same thing.

 

[PloughBoy]

Note, though, that Bergoglio DID NOT endorse Homosexual "MARRIAGE" which is quite a different thing than a "Civil Union" which essentially grants the same LEGAL/ECONOMIC/ACCESS/PROPERTY benefits that a Marriage does, but is NOT a Marriage.

MARRIAGE, is a WHOLE DIFFERENT THING spiritually - i.e. They two, in the sight of GOD, becoming "One Flesh".

I'm no "Fan" of Bergoglio, OR the "Holy Roman Catholic Church Corp." BUT but he did get this one right. Homosexual unions granting legal rights in the U.S. already existed, but the Homosexuals weren't satisfied, until they could "Marry" in the church as though it was acceptable to God, even though such a thing was, Is, and always will be impossible Biblically.

I got news for all The Law of God has nothing to do with Marriage papers, you can have all the marriage papers you want! You will not break God's law with PAPER! you can even have a ceremony, that will not break any law of God! or get you in trouble with GOD. But you better not cross that creek! And saying you slip, that dog won't hunt! with GOD! "Keep thy servant from presumptuous sins" and let them not have dominion over me"

Same sex marriages does not condemn a person with God, but taking God for A fool will. "Do not put your Lord God to the test" "If you play around with fire you will get burnt", It is not worth it," life is to short to play around with eternity" for just crossing a narrow creek. "the wages of sin is death" the paycheck for "Homosexual Connect" is death. The wrath of God" has no limit, He can drop His wrath on you for a million years and still not kill you! and not give you one oz of mercy and shed not one tear.

 

[Sue D.]

PloughBoy -- Marriage was created by God. Civilization has changed over the centuries. There are now marriage licenses that are obtained in order to get married Legally. Laws against bigamy. Marriage is Meant to be a sacred union between the man and woman and to last their lifetime.

Same-sex relationships are Against God's plan -- and God's plan Is the Best plan.

And God Wants us to obey the laws of the land. When Societies' laws go against God's Word, Then we have a choice to make.

 

[B-A-C]

I'm no "Fan" of Bergoglio, OR the "Holy Roman Catholic Church Corp." BUT but he did get this one right. Homosexual unions granting legal rights in the U.S. already existed, but the Homosexuals weren't satisfied, until they could "Marry" in the church as though it was acceptable to God, even though such a thing was, Is, and always will be impossible Biblically.

What does a "civil union" legally give two people of the same sex, that they can't get legally without?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

What does a "civil union" legally give two people of the same sex, that they can't get legally without?

Accessabiliy, signing right, Distribution of community property rights, Visitation rights, All the stuff the MARRIED couple take for granted (note: A MARRIAGE between a man and a woman is ALSO a "CIvil Contract" which what a "Wdiing is all about - a "Contract signing between a MAN and a WOMAN with Witnesses".

 

[Curtis]

 

[lentz]

We are living in Sodom and Gomorrah today. The whole world is eat up with this filth.
28% of what they call Gen Z are queer.
During this past holiday season,one of my grandsons brought his boyfriend to the gathering. Drove a nail through my heart. I had no idea till that day.
And he grew up in a Christian home.
They should all be eradicated,even grandson.

 

[Sue D.]

You sound very harsh. Every person has a soul no matter what their sexual orientation is. And every person has eternity to spend in either heaven or in hell. Every person needs to hear God's plan for his/ her personal salvation and either accept or reject. Especially your grandson and his friend.

 

[lentz]

You sound very harsh. Every person has a soul no matter what their sexual orientation is. And every person has eternity to spend in either heaven or in hell. Every person needs to hear God's plan for his/ her personal salvation and either accept or reject. Especially your grandson and his friend.

I agree to a point.
When God told the people to stone to death adulterers and others,should they have given your talking points.

 

[lentz]

You sound very harsh. Every person has a soul no matter what their sexual orientation is. And every person has eternity to spend in either heaven or in hell. Every person needs to hear God's plan for his/ her personal salvation and either accept or reject. Especially your grandson and his friend.

A murder who rapes and kills a whole family,has a soul too.
Do you take on the same argument?
Where do you draw the line?
No death penalty for him?

 

[Christ4Ever]

I agree to a point.
When God told the people to stone to death adulterers and others,should they have given your talking points.

Dear Brother,
Considering that you are really talking OT judgment, and not a Jesus Christ found understanding.

So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first." John 8:7 NKJV

This in no way is condoning the behavior, but rather the opposite, for as our Lord told the sinner:

She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more." John 8:11 NKJV

We are living in Sodom and Gomorrah today. The whole world is eat up with this filth.
28% of what they call Gen Z are queer.
During this past holiday season,one of my grandsons brought his boyfriend to the gathering. Drove a nail through my heart. I had no idea till that day.
And he grew up in a Christian home.
They should all be eradicated,even grandson.

Would you eradicate them, or in prayer fill the gap that in Christ Jesus, they may one day yet come to Him, be saved, and cleaned of what is clearly sinful behavior?

And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, Hebrews 9:27

Dear Brother, they are not getting away with anything, nor is anyone! The time will come, and for many it will be with trepidation for we know in belief that the following is a truth that must be considered very seriously when sin is involved.

For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. And again, "The LORD will judge His people." It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:30-32 NKJV

There is a quote from one who was called the Prince of Preachers and I pray will resonate with you.

"If sinners be damned, at least let them leap to Hell over our dead bodies. And if they perish, let them perish with our arms wrapped about their knees, imploring them to stay. If Hell must be filled, let it be filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go unwarned and unprayed for.” ― Charles Spurgeon

Many are lost and do not even know they are, and most do not even care!!! For they do not see it of any import!

For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, is working for us a far more exceeding [and] eternal weight of glory, while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen [are] temporary, but the things which are not seen [are] eternal. 2 Corinthians 4:17-18 NKJV

Like Moses, and many others, we who seek for the joys that in Christ Jesus we can even now rejoice in as Paul has said, but more so, when it becomes Now!

choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, Hebrews 11:25 NKJV

That is what they do not see/believe/understand so, like our Father in Heaven who wants that no one should perish, which is a mindset that we too should have for the unrepentant sinner.

The Lord is not slack concerning [His] promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9 NKJV

One day it will be too late. We, however, should not hasten it for those, who truly do not know or in some cases care what awaits them.

Praying for your Grandson brother.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[lentz]

Dear Brother,
Considering that you are really talking OT judgment, and not a Jesus Christ found understanding.

So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first." John 8:7 NKJV

This in no way is condoning the behavior, but rather the opposite, for as our Lord told the sinner:

She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more." John 8:11 NKJV



Would you eradicate them, or in prayer fill the gap that in Christ Jesus, they may one day yet come to Him, be saved, and cleaned of what is clearly sinful behavior?

And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, Hebrews 9:27

Dear Brother, they are not getting away with anything, nor is anyone! The time will come, and for many it will be with trepidation for we know in belief that the following is a truth that must be considered very seriously when sin is involved.

For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. And again, "The LORD will judge His people." It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:30-32 NKJV

There is a quote from one who was called the Prince of Preachers and I pray will resonate with you.

"If sinners be damned, at least let them leap to Hell over our dead bodies. And if they perish, let them perish with our arms wrapped about their knees, imploring them to stay. If Hell must be filled, let it be filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let not one go unwarned and unprayed for.” ― Charles Spurgeon

Many are lost and do not even know they are, and most do not even care!!! For they do not see it of any import!

For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, is working for us a far more exceeding [and] eternal weight of glory, while we do not look at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen. For the things which are seen [are] temporary, but the things which are not seen [are] eternal. 2 Corinthians 4:17-18 NKJV

Like Moses, and many others, we who seek for the joys that in Christ Jesus we can even now rejoice in as Paul has said, but more so, when it becomes Now!

choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, Hebrews 11:25 NKJV

That is what they do not see/believe/understand so, like our Father in Heaven who wants that no one should perish, which is a mindset that we too should have for the unrepentant sinner.

The Lord is not slack concerning [His] promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9 NKJV

One day it will be too late. We, however, should not hasten it for those, who truly do not know or in some cases care what awaits them.

Praying for your Grandson brother.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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So those ungodly reprobates that ,while in their trusted care in schools,recruiting 5 year olds,turning them into homosexuals,you think we should just pray and it will stop.
That is one flimsy argument.
I go back the murder and rapist.
Do you think they should be just told,”don’t do that,Jesus loves you “‘ and let them alone?
This is what has turned out country into a cesspool.

 

[Christ4Ever]

So those ungodly reprobates that ,while in their trusted care in schools,recruiting 5 year olds,turning them into homosexuals,you think we should just pray and it will stop.
That is one flimsy argument.
I go back the murder and rapist.
Do you think they should be just told,”don’t do that,Jesus loves you “‘ and let them alone?
This is what has turned out country into a cesspool.

Dear Brother,
What about those who killed millions in camps? What about the ones who sacrificed their children to other god's? How about those who killed the first Christians?
The list of atrocities throughout time goes on and on brother, and it will get worse!!! In fact it is even worse than you can even imagine the horrors that man can do to another!!! If you can't rise above it in Christ Jesus, you will drown by the devil's promptings for sure!!!

You think our Heavenly Father excuses the actions of man or even the pain you, we suffer in seeing/hearing of these things happening all around the world? Of course not! What did I quote to you from Scripture? Your argument is not with me for His return not being soon enough! You are not alone!!!

They shouted to the Lord and said, "O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you judge the people who belong to this world and avenge our blood for what they have done to us?" Revelation 6:10 NLT

How simple are you really to believe what I had written to you was what you have written above??? Don't you remember the sinner you were, that we all who call Jesus Lord and Savior were??? Of what we've been forgiven of! If not for our Lord, you and I would be as worthy of death as any reprobate you could find today or in history! Yet He has forgiven us, and it is there for them who you call ungodly reprobates too! Don't you know? Why do you think our God is waiting? I quoted you this scripture as well to you! He died for them too!

Nothing touches one then to see the heart pf a repentant sinner! You can see the tears running down their cheeks in the knowledge of how unworthy they are, and how much sin was a part of their lives. Do you remember the day you came to the Lord, and the weight that was lifted off you/us when you said "Lord forgive me, I am yours!"?

"Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents." Luke 15:10 NKJV

Or are you picking and choosing who should go...maybe only the good ones huh?

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23 NKJV

Or does God have it wrong??? Or we can reach Heaven by pulling up our own bootstraps or by some other way than Jesus?

I think you better reassess who you think our Heavenly Father is and who you serve!

If you can't be the conduit by which the Gospel will be heard and prayerfully received, then it might be time to rethink what our Lord wanted from us, you and why we were not called Home immediately upon being saved and still have to be here in this ever-darkening world!!!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[lentz]

Dear Brother,
What about those who killed millions in camps? What about the ones who sacrificed their children to other god's? How about those who killed the first Christians?
The list of atrocities throughout time goes on and on brother, and it will get worse!!! In fact it is even worse than you can even imagine the horrors that man can do to another!!! If you can't rise above it in Christ Jesus, you will drown by the devil's promptings for sure!!!

You think our Heavenly Father excuses the actions of man or even the pain you, we suffer in seeing/hearing of these things happening all around the world? Of course not! What did I quote to you from Scripture? Your argument is not with me for His return not being soon enough! You are not alone!!!

They shouted to the Lord and said, "O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you judge the people who belong to this world and avenge our blood for what they have done to us?" Revelation 6:10 NLT

How simple are you really to believe what I had written to you was what you have written above??? Don't you remember the sinner you were, that we all who call Jesus Lord and Savior were??? Of what we've been forgiven of! If not for our Lord, you and I would be as worthy of death as any reprobate you could find today or in history! Yet He has forgiven us, and it is there for them who you call ungodly reprobates too! Don't you know? Why do you think our God is waiting? I quoted you this scripture as well to you! He died for them too!

Nothing touches one then to see the heart pf a repentant sinner! You can see the tears running down their cheeks in the knowledge of how unworthy they are, and how much sin was a part of their lives. Do you remember the day you came to the Lord, and the weight that was lifted off you/us when you said "Lord forgive me, I am yours!"?

"Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents." Luke 15:10 NKJV

Or are you picking and choosing who should go...maybe only the good ones huh?

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3:23 NKJV

Or does God have it wrong??? Or we can reach Heaven by pulling up our own bootstraps or by some other way than Jesus?

I think you better reassess who you think our Heavenly Father is and who you serve!

If you can't be the conduit by which the Gospel will be heard and prayerfully received, then it might be time to rethink what our Lord wanted from us, you and why we were not called Home immediately upon being saved and still have to be here in this ever-darkening world!!!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Grace and punishment does not conflict each other.
Grace and mercy is of course priority. But justice and punishment by the law of the land is essential.
We shouldn’t be overjoyed with the death penalty,but at the same time it is necessary in order to protect humanity .

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

We are living in Sodom and Gomorrah today. The whole world is eat up with this filth.
28% of what they call Gen Z are queer.
During this past holiday season,one of my grandsons brought his boyfriend to the gathering. Drove a nail through my heart. I had no idea till that day.
And he grew up in a Christian home.
They should all be eradicated,even grandson.

Cleansing does not clean

Meaning, eradicating those who do vile things will not cause sin and darkness to go away. Be sure to understand that I mean before the Lord has His Way and all such sin is dealt with by Him.

If we look at every sin that needs deleting, which only would be fair and just, who could stand before the Lord?

A couple of thoughts


Bless you ....><>

 

[lentz]

Greetings,



Cleansing does not clean

Meaning, eradicating those whole do vile things will not cause sin and darkness to go away. Be sure to understand that I mean before the Lord has His Way and all such sin is dealt with by Him.

If we look at every sin that needs deleting, which only would be fair and just, who could stand before the Lord?

A couple of thoughts


Bless you ....><>

The point I was trying to make in another post,with the mindset of most Christians,instead of locking up,or giving death penalty to murders and others,we should just simply pray they find Jesus and let it go at that.
That is liberal thinking and I believe go against the word of God.
So let’s get rid of cops,courts,law and order and just have prayer meeting

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

The point I was trying to make in another post,with the mindset of most Christians,instead of locking up,or giving death penalty to murders and others,we should just simply pray they find Jesus and let it go at that.
That is liberal thinking and I believe go against the word of God.
So let’s get rid of cops,courts,law and order and just have prayer meeting

While I understand your reasoning, I am reminded of our part and position as members of the Body and that we are strangers and pilgrims, not of the world.

The 'justice' systems of history have never dealt with regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost but have all failed and come short of dealing with injustices.
We have Biblical history as well as world history to witness that the Lord Jesus Christ, Who was delivered up for the sin of the world, has become a propitiation and only through Him can any enter in to the liberty and life He has prepared for them who love Him.

Our part is to preach the Gospel. The world will hate us for it but as with Peter, we are to sheath up our sword and remember that we war not against flesh and blood.

The prophecy is that things are going to get ugly and no amount of death penalty will prevent that.

There has been one death penalty and you know as I do, that it is that penalty that only leads to victory.

In times past, homosexuality carried the death penalty (and still does in some cultures) and that did not eradicate it.

Let us let the world deal with matters as it will and let us be found busy about our Father work for us, be it great or small.


Your grandson is deceived, has believed a lie and is in bondage and imprisoned to wickedness.
How would/did Jesus deal with those oppressed by the devil?
Same for the person your grandson is wrongly involved with.

It is easier to pull the trigger than to give your life for the Gospel and through perseverance, take time and prayer with fasting, to set the captives free.


Bless you Brother ....><>