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[Jesus_is_LORD]

Wars and Rumors of Wars

 

[Dave M]

Matthew 24:6
And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet.

 

[Brad Huber]

China will take Taiwan. Its just a matter of time. Doing it during the time of Biden as president will make it less likely that the US will respond. But even harsh words against China from the US over the coming takeover, might just turn into a limited nuclear exchange between china and the US. After taking Taiwan, China will be full of itself and will no doubt position nuclear subs off the coast of California and with the new tech of super fast missles that the US doesnt have currently, they could easily overwhelm US anti missle defense. China would survive simply because of the number of people there and the US would target only military targets. The Chinese navy, now the largest in the world, would survive a nuclear exchange being mobile. Mostly speculation, but very possible.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

China will take Taiwan. Its just a matter of time. Doing it during the time of Biden as president will make it less likely that the US will respond. But even harsh words against China from the US over the coming takeover, might just turn into a limited nuclear exchange between china and the US. After taking Taiwan, China will be full of itself and will no doubt position nuclear subs off the coast of California and with the new tech of super fast missles that the US doesnt have currently, they could easily overwhelm US anti missle defense. China would survive simply because of the number of people there and the US would target only military targets. The Chinese navy, now the largest in the world, would survive a nuclear exchange being mobile. Mostly speculation, but very possible.

Thanks for the synopsis, sounds well thought out. Thanks.

 

[PloughBoy]

Wars and Rumors of Wars

I have been observing history along time. China and Russian are not backing down and China sure ain't. "Assyrians"Babylonians, Persian, did not back down. And China high Tech is superb, and military , and Russia has the most powerful Bomb in The WORLD, so powerful that it had to cut the power down. And GOD's people have cast their GOD away a nation of "IDOL" worshipers, killing babies, adulteries, and can be name the worst than all countries, All these foreign nations like china and Russia are saying the USA and AUSTRALIA , and "ISAREL" is not GOD fearing people. And GOD will not protect them.

China can read. Putin had said that American is not a GOD fearing COUNTRY. and He is a "Christian" too

IN defeat Our :GOD" is Victorious" In the falling of "JERUSALEM" Our GOD was Victorious. Even JESUS dying on the cross HE was VICTORIOUS. If GOD decides to fail HE is still VICTORIOUS! No matter what happens "GOD" is VICTORIOUS.

It is not about CHINA , RUSSIA, Australia, Israel, or the USA. Believe the BIBLE and TRUST it. The word is "TRUST" and Not "faith" You cannot trust faith But you can TRUST, the WORD of GOD" and by TRUSTING THE WORD of GOD, You have "HOPE" And HOPE will out last faith any day.

faith will weaken but "Our"HOPE" is The ANCHOR of The SOUL!
New King James Version
This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters the Presence behind the veil,

New American Standard Bible
This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and reliable and one which enters within the veil,

 

[Hitch]

God's plans are not and have never been subject to what happens in the United States.

 

[Brad Huber]

God's plans are not and have never been subject to what happens in the United States.

Your point?

 

[Hitch]

Your point?

Why should war with China be referred to as Armamgedon ?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Why should war with China be referred to as Armamgedon ?

I think because of the nuclear possibilities.

What are your thoughts on two nuclear powers being at war with each other?

 

[PloughBoy]

Where is the "Place" called "Armageddon" for ARMAGEDDON I think is a Location [a place].
New King James Version
And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.
New American Standard Bible
And they gathered them together to the place which in Hebrew is called Har-Magedon.


https://www.internationalstandardbible.com › har-mage...

har-ma-ged'-on (Harmagedon from Hebrew har meghiddo, "Mount of Megiddo"; the King James Version Armageddon): This name is found only in Re 16:16. It is ...

I am just butting my 2 cents in. And you know how much my 2 cents is. less than -2 cents. So disregard and feel not threaten.

 

[Hitch]

I think because of the nuclear possibilities.

What are your thoughts on two nuclear powers being at war with each other?

It would be a terrible thing. Where exactly, in Scripture , do you see 'nuclear possibilities' ?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

It would be a terrible thing. Where exactly, in Scripture , do you see 'nuclear possibilities' ?

Where do I see nuclear possibilities?

So my question would be what would it look like if nuclear war did happen?
We first must ask, what does that (nuclear war) look like?

Perhaps heat, perhaps burning, perhaps fire?
Perhaps a thick mushroom cloud and darkness as the smoke rises?



" ZEPHANIAH 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,



ISAIAH 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible."


2 PETER 3:10–13
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,
the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Peter speaks of the elements burning away.

Do you see this as a metaphor or literal?

If a metaphor is that a metaphor for the hotness of God's anger?
If it is a metaphor are there other metaphors that you spot in that chapter, if so which ones?

If not a metaphor but more literal, what do we know can generate heat so hot that the elements melts?
Perhaps nuclear? Perhaps not. But definitely a possibility if one interprets it literal.

Only other option is to interpret it as a metaphor but that does not fit the style of that chapter and passage.

 

[Hitch]

Where do I see nuclear possibilities?

So my question would be what would it look like if nuclear war did happen?
We first must ask, what does that (nuclear war) look like?

Perhaps heat, perhaps burning, perhaps fire?
Perhaps a thick mushroom cloud and darkness as the smoke rises?



" ZEPHANIAH 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,



ISAIAH 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible."


2 PETER 3:10–13
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,
the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

The first two have no relation at all , images of de-creation have been used to describe wars long since past, so Pete is your best chance. However to make Pete's quote work I see you emphasized 'elements', possibly inferring that Pete has added modern physics to his areas of expertise. That leaves the questions How does this relate to 21 century Sino-American rivalry , and the area of Megiddo ?

 

[Hitch]

Peter speaks of the elements burning away.

Do you see this as a metaphor or literal?

If a metaphor is that a metaphor for the hotness of God's anger?
If it is a metaphor are there other metaphors that you spot in that chapter, if so which ones?

If not a metaphor but more literal, what do we know can generate heat so hot that the elements melts?
Perhaps nuclear? Perhaps not. But definitely a possibility if one interprets it literal.

Only other option is to interpret it as a metaphor but that does not fit the style of that chapter and passage.

What passages can you cite that support the notion that 'elements' is used in the sense of modern physics ?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

What passages can you cite that support the notion that 'elements' is used in the sense of modern physics ?

There is much to be interpreted my friend. You asked a question concerning where in the Bible the possibility of nuclear war was
present. I have answered that question.

Obviously the Bible would not use the words nuclear war because that technology was not known to the people of that day.
Once again I'm not saying the world will end by nuclear war, I'm simply sharing passages which "could" be interpreted that way.


I respect your interpretation and have answered your question concerning where one could interpret nuclear war from the Bible.
Not sure if you asked because you were unfamiliar with that (Peter) passage or interpret them different. Either way there is your answer.


Any other questions on the topic?

 

[PloughBoy]

It would be a terrible thing. Where exactly, in Scripture , do you see 'nuclear possibilities' ?

Wait, have anyone, taken into a account and know what " Just what One Ohio Class Submarine call do in a few minutes? Or how POWERFUL the Nuclear Bomb that Russia have, so powerful they had to cut the power on it. And That New HYPERSONIC Nuclear capable Missile. that CHINA have? That Missile was so fast, , it went around the WORLD and Hit near its mark, back in China before the whole world Knew, it had BEEN FIRED. IT was so fast, The Satellites in Space did not see it!

If a Nuclear war got off. That will not be close to the END., but create a "GREAT SUFFERING" that the WORLD has ever known. Do any one even know what a "EMP" NUCLEAR BOMB will do? American alone has over2,800 Nuclear weapons alone! And Russia have over 7,700 Nuclear war heads alone since late 2,017 that we know of.

Russia and China do not belong to The United Nations. And they do not mind, killing and sacrificing their own people.

These two, China and Russia should remind us of Biblical and Historic "Babylonians, Persians and Assyrians". And the ASSYRIANS, The Most, Even JONAH wanted no part with GOD, when GOD wanted to Preach to those people. " The ASSYRIANS" and me going to "NINEVEH" THE CAPITAL!

 

[Hitch]

There is much to be interpreted my friend. You asked a question concerning where in the Bible the possibility of nuclear war was
present. I have answered that question.

Obviously the Bible would not use the words nuclear war because that technology was not known to the people of that day.
Once again I'm not saying the world will end by nuclear war, I'm simply sharing passages which "could" be interpreted that way.


I respect your interpretation and have answered your question concerning where one could interpret nuclear war from the Bible.
Not sure if you asked because you were unfamiliar with that (Peter) passage or interpret them different. Either way there is your answer.


Any other questions on the topic?

You have yet to answer

What passages can you cite that support the notion that 'elements' is used in the sense of modern physics ?

As you say;

Obviously the Bible would not use the words nuclear war because that technology was not known to the people of that day.
Once again I'm not saying the world will end by nuclear war, I'm simply sharing passages which "could" be interpreted that way.

Certainly Pete did not have a 21st century understanding of the' elements'.

Niether have you explained how Sino-American conflicts might relate to a small area of the Middle east namely Megiddo.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

You have yet to answer

What passages can you cite that support the notion that 'elements' is used in the sense of modern physics ?

That was not the original question. The original question was about nuclear war. I'm not going to chase a rabbit trail, respectfully speaking.
From proof about nuclear war, to elements, next it will be the duration of the heat.

I'm not defending a position that the world will end by nuclear war, I'm simply showing you passages which could be interpreted that way.
If you feel none of those passages can be interpreted that way, fair. That is how you interpret it, many differ. And since I'm not here
to defend those who differ with you, I don't have much more to say on that topic.

Anything else on the topic?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

This is what I found @Hitch concerning the word used for Elements



Strong's Concordance
stoicheion: one of a row, hence a letter (of the alphabet), by ext. the elements (of knowledge)
Original Word: στοιχεῖον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: stoicheion
Phonetic Spelling: (stoy-khi'-on)
Definition: one of a row, a letter (of the alphabet), the elements (of knowledge)
Usage: (a) plur: the heavenly bodies, (b) a rudiment, an element, a rudimentary principle, an elementary rule.
HELPS Word-studies
4747 stoixeíon– properly, fundamentals, like with the basic components of a philosophy, structure, etc.; (figuratively) "first principles," like the basic fundamentals of Christianity.

[4747 (stoixeíon) refers to "the rudiments with which mankind . . . were indoctrinated (before the time of Christ), i.e. the elements of religious training or the ceremonial precepts common alike to the worship of Jews and of Gentiles" (J. Thayer).

The RSV however renders stoixeia as "elemental spirits," i.e. spiritual powers or "cosmic spirits" (DNTT, 2, 828). This views 4747 /stoixeíon ("elements") as ancient astral beings associated with the very beginning (make-up) of the earth.]

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from the same as stoicheó
Definition
one of a row, hence a letter (of the alphabet), by ext. the elements (of knowledge)
NASB Translation
elemental things (2), elementary principles (2), elementary* (1), elements (2), principles (1).

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Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 4747: στοιχεῖον

στοιχεῖον, στοιχειου, τό (from στοῖχος a row, rank, series; hence, properly, that which belongs to any στοῖχος, that of which a στοῖχος is composed; hence), "any first thing, from which the others belonging to some series or composite whole take their rise; an element, first principle". The word denotes specifically:
1. the letters of the alphabet as the elements of speech, not however the written characters (which are called γράμματα), but the spoken sounds: στοιχεῖον φωνῆς φωνή ἀσύνθετος, Plato definition, p. 414 e.; τό ῥω τό στοιχεῖον, id. Crat., p. 426 d.; στοιχεῖον ἐστι φωνή ἀδιαιρετος, οὐ πᾶσα δέ, ἀλλ' ἐξ ἧς πεφυκε συνετή γίγνεσθαι φωνή, Aristotle, poet. 20, p. 1456{b}, 22.

2. the elements from which all things have come, the material causes of the universe (ἐστι δέ στοιχεῖον, ἐξ οὗ πρώτου γίνεται τά γινόμενα καί εἰς ὁ ἔσχατον ἀναλύεται ... τό πῦρ, τό ὕδωρ, ὁ ἀήρ, ἡ γῆ, (Diogenes Laërtius Zeno 137); so very often from Plato down, as in Tim., p. 48 b.; in the Scriptures: Wis. 7:17 Wis. 19:17; 2 Peter 3:10, 12.

3. the heavenly bodies, either as parts of the heavens, or (as others think) because in them the elements of man's life and destiny were supposed to reside; so in the earlier ecclesiastical writings: Ep. ad Diogn. 7, 2 [ET]; Justin Martyr, dialog contra Trypho, 23; τά Οὐρανία στοιχεῖα, id. Apology 2, 5; στοιχεῖα Θεοῦ, created by God, Theophilus Ant. ad Autol. 1, 4; cf. Hilgenfeld, Galaterbrief, pp. 66-77. Hence, some interpreters infelicitously understand Paul's phrase τά στοιχεῖα τοῦ κόσμου, Galatians 4:3, 9; Colossians 2:8, 20, of the heavenly bodies, because times and seasons, and so sacred seasons, were regulated by the course of the sun and moon; yet in unfolding the meaning of the passage on the basis of this sense they differ widely.

4. the elements, rudiments, primary and fundamental principles (cf. our 'alphabet' or 'a b c') of any art, science, or discipline; e. g. of mathematics, as in the title of Euclid's well-known work; στοιχεῖα πρῶτα καί μέγιστα χρήστης πολιτείας, Isocrates, p. 18 a.; τῆς ἀρετῆς, Plutarch, de puer. educ. 16, 2; many examples are given in Passow, under the word, 4, ii., p. 1550b; (cf. Liddell and Scott, under the word, II. 3 and 4). In the N. T. we have τά στοιχεῖα τῆς ἀρχῆς τῶν λογίων τοῦ Θεοῦ (see ἀρχή, 1 b., p. 76{b} bottom), Hebrews 5:12, such as are taught to νήπιοι, Hebrews 5:13; τά στοιχεῖα τοῦ κόσμου, the rudiments with which mankind like νήπιοι were indoctrinated before the time of Christ, i. e. the elements of religions training, or the ceremonial precepts common alike to the worship of Jews and of Gentiles, Galatians 4:3, 9, (and since these requirements on account of the difficulty of observing them are to be regarded as a yoke — cf. Acts 15:10; Galatians 5:1 — those who rely upon them are said to be δεδουλωμένοι ὑπό τά στοιχεῖα); specifically, the ceremonial requirements especially of Jewish tradition, minutely set forth by theosophists and false teachers, and fortified by specious argument, Colossians 2:8, 20. The phrase τά στοιχεῖα τοῦ κόσμου is fully discussed by Schneckenburger in the Theolog. Jahrbücher for 1848, Part iv., p. 445ff; Neander in the Deutsche Zeitschrift f. Christl. Wissensehaft for 1850, p. 205ff; Kienlen in Reuss u. Cunitz's Beiträge zu d. theolog. Wissenschaften, vol. ii., p. 133ff; E. Schaubach, Comment. qua exponitur quid στοιχεῖα τοῦ κόσμου in N. T. sibi velint. (Meining. 1862).


Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
element, principle, rudiment.
Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of stoicheo; something orderly in arrangement, i.e. (by implication) a serial (basal, fundamental, initial) constituent (literally), proposition (figuratively) -- element, principle, rudiment.

see GREEK stoicheo