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[Jesus_is_LORD]

 

[MedicBravo]

Just a non-working link.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Sorry it was a facebook link, I guess it is not transfering. Try this.

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[Christ4Ever]

Thanks for sharing Brother!
I've passed it on as well!!!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Jesus_is_LORD]

Thanks for sharing Brother!
I've passed it on as well!!!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Amen brother. Love and God Bless.

 

[Br. Bear]

Meek, humble, kind, patient, longsuffering, joyful, faithful, peaceful, temperate and loving

 

[GodB4Us]

I do wonder that because of the woke controlled media, it just "appears" the world prefer to be called by pronouns.

A couple of decades ago it was wrong to say "black" instead of "African American" to a black person. Today you can do both.

I guess the woke controlled media took their eye off the ball on that one. No legislation was passed to penalized people for saying black instead of African American, probably because the woke controlled media could not rally enough from the black community to get behind it.

I do suspect that was why they shifted to the minute minority of the LGBTQ + to make it so the majority would not pick on them when legislation empower them to enforce their special pronouns on every one or else they are a hater & a bigot theology.

Only transgenders can tell their legislature to remove laws against misgendering because all that will do is alienate transgenders, giving Americans a reason not to associate themselves with them or come near them for fear of misgendering, especially when they know transgenders can change their minds about their special pronouns and what do you think a social activist judge will do? Favor the transgender les he be targeted by "the LGBTQ-+ community" for "bullying" that lying transgender in social media as well as in public protest. They do not have a National Transgender Registration to prevent this kind of abuse. They want bullying transgenders to sow discord among the Americans.

Passive transgenders cannot afford to be less patriotic when evil forces are at work to divide the nation. Even passive homosexuals has to speak up as well to quell the massive online bullying from the LGBTQ+ communities.

There are dumb blonde jokes. I am sure if the woke controlled media wanted to, they can spotlight all blondes that has committed suicide to make all comedians feel bad and guilty to make them stop saying dumb blonde jokes.

There are Polack jokes. I am sure the woke controlled media can spotlight the many Polish people that committed suicide.

There are black people telling jokes about black people and some of them use the inflammatory "n" word in them too. And black people laugh, albeit, some do protest using the "n" word., but hardly spotlighted by woke media.

On Longmire TV show, a female deputy named Vic was working with a temporary hired consultant that hunts bears. The consultant kept calling Vic "Vickie". She got tired of it and said that if he did not call her Vic or Victoria, they were done. The guy stopped because he does wanted a relationship with her, even if it is only on a professional level. But he could have continued and Vic would not communicate with him at all. And that can happen anywhere with anyone at any time, and there is no legislation for that, because you cannot make people respect you, and it is better to know who your friends are, than not. As it is, in this world, one would be blessed to find a true blue friend.

I can say anyone can find a true blue Friend in Jesus Christ since He is in me and with me always that I am trusting Him as my Good Shepherd & Friend to help me to follow Him because I cannot do that without Him.

If the LGBTQ+ communities wants to rejoin the rest of what the American people go through every day, they need to be more tolerant or else grow a thick skin. They need to recognize that the empowering legislature and the LGBTQ+.Org do not really care about them as they do about dividing the nation, hoping to bring about social anarchy and thus a police state and the New World Order.

And the LGBTQ+ communities should know that although they cannot fathom how they can change themselves from being of the LGBTQ+ communities, Jesus can change them because He has changed some, delivering them from their infirmity in the flesh and sin to no longer live in them. Some will tetsify of relying on Jesus Christ everyday to put down wicked thoughts & think on good things.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

The internet search results algorithm will steer many away from those testimonies to the many links saying it is okay to be gay and Christian when scriptures says it is not okay for Christian to live in sin.

1 Peter 4:1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

Even lesser results for finding testimonies of former transgenders because of Jesus Christ. May those seeking this truth, find them with the help of the Lord.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:
2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.
4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.
5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.
6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

13 But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.
14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

So no matter how bad they have ruined their own original bodies that they cannot undo, no matter how infamous they have become, no matter how deep the shame & guilt for pushing this sinful lifestyle to little children and to the world, Jesus can forgive you and give you His peace while you suffer having ceased from sin with His help to that one day when He will transform us into the image of His Son; perfect and filled with joy & gladness.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

 

[MedicBravo]

No white person calls themselves "European American".
A real American calls themselves American (only legal) and skin color is irrelevant. Everyone else has adopted one of the most rheetarded beliefs in all of humanity. Very few black people here were actually born in Africa let alone went there.
Chris Rock said it best. "There's black people......". If you know the rest then the former are worth something to humanity when the rest are not.

 

[GodB4Us]

No white person calls themselves "European American".
A real American calls themselves American (only legal) and skin color is irrelevant. Everyone else has adopted one of the most rheetarded beliefs in all of humanity. Very few black people here were actually born in Africa let alone went there.
Chris Rock said it best. "There's black people......". If you know the rest then the former are worth something to humanity when the rest are not.

Since we are all related to each other as descendent of Noah and his family as the only 8 people that survived the global flood, but at the tower of Babel, God separated us by languages and thus by nations, our sinful nature tends to make us forget that we are all of one race, the human race.

 

[MedicBravo]

Since we are all related to each other as descendent of Noah and his family as the only 8 people that survived the global flood, but at the tower of Babel, God separated us by languages and thus by nations, our sinful nature tends to make us forget that we are all of one race, the human race.

That's not a universal belief.
Any non-Christian doesn't believe that and jumps on the "racicism bandwagon". That is spelled differently on purpose.
I traced my ancestry back to England so I know where I came from. Humanity divides itself.
Truth is, we seek out and prefer those who are like us. Whites with Whites. Blacks with Fried Chicken, Watermelon, and Grape Drank. Asians with Sushi. Mexicans with Taco Bell. (Kidding ).
Personal merit means more than anything and in the long term, none of the rest have proved it to me as an individual.
I had a Mexican wife (long story) and another long story don't feel attracted to those women. White women is where it's at. I find a better work ethic and belief system with mostly White people. In every church I've been to Asians are a rarity and few blacks if any. You will find them in the south in all-black churches far more than another other denomination.

 

[GodB4Us]

That's not a universal belief.

I agree. I was not stating a universal belief as shared by the human race but a universal truth as far as in the eyes of God is concern.

Any non-Christian doesn't believe that and jumps on the "racicism bandwagon". That is spelled differently on purpose.

Not a lot of Christians believe that either.

I traced my ancestry back to England so I know where I came from. Humanity divides itself.
Truth is, we seek out and prefer those who are like us. Whites with Whites. Blacks with Fried Chicken, Watermelon, and Grape Drank. Asians with Sushi. Mexicans with Taco Bell. (Kidding ).
Personal merit means more than anything and in the long term, none of the rest have proved it to me as an individual.
I had a Mexican wife (long story) and another long story don't feel attracted to those women. White women is where it's at. I find a better work ethic and belief system with mostly White people. In every church I've been to Asians are a rarity and few blacks if any. You will find them in the south in all-black churches far more than another other denomination.

I understand that not all black churches sees white churches as brethren to call them brothers just as all white churches do not see black churches as brethren to call them brothers. Some do, but not all.

And unfortunately, not all white Christians sees other white Christians as brethren either when they look down on the poor and the mentally ill. Same goes for any colored Christians.

And yet... we are warned about how we treat strangers...and that was in relation to letting brotherly love continue.

Hebrews 13:1Let brotherly love continue.
2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Our past lives and experiences do influence us just as the people around us influence us, but it is my hope in Jesus Christ being in me and with me always as my Good Shepherd & Friend that He will be the greater influence than what the world or this vile body of death influence me to do. May Christ's love reign in my heart by His grace & by His help, especially in the faces of my enemies and to have patience and longsuffering to go through any grief to have His peace.

Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[MedicBravo]

A lot of black churches do NOT want non-blacks there.
9/10 you have a fat man "preaching" who is pouring sweat just standing there. I think they purposefully look for and "train" them.
It isn't about us. You can sure far less white Christians are racist than the rest.
God didn't make us idiots so I'm not going to blindly trust some random stranger.
No one will ever be on Jesus level.
God also set up a hierarchy in ALL things.
God - self/man or self/woman. Husband to wife and vice versa. Children. Siblings. Parents. Given one is underage then the parents come after God. We also know you don't "take from others to help "strangers" as the Left does.
You take care of your own FIRST. You do not take the needs of self and others out of their control for others. I don't have excess so there is no extra to give the needy. Food banks are in most towns and cities in America and outside of it I do not care.
As God commanded Adam and Eve to "dress it and keep it" (Eden) that also applies to self and home. It makes no sense to ignore your own for others.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

No white person calls themselves "European American".
A real American calls themselves American (only legal) and skin color is irrelevant. Everyone else has adopted one of the most rheetarded beliefs in all of humanity. Very few black people here were actually born in Africa let alone went there.
Chris Rock said it best. "There's black people......". If you know the rest then the former are worth something to humanity when the rest are not.

Well........

Concerning what "real Americans" call themselves and the skin color relevancy let me see if I can contribute @MedicBravo .

So I think the field of History informs us much on this issue and gives a good perspective to approach when looking at
such social issues.

I think the Big issue with our skin color being such a hot topic in these United States, isn't because our minority brothers
and sisters felt the need to be identified by their skin color. History seems to paint a contrary picture.

History tells us that unfortunately, our minority brothers were labeled as different by our country, whether it is putting
Blacks into slavery (telling them, you are different), or the Supreme Dredd Scott case telling them they are 3/5th of a human,
or during the world war when Japanese Americans were put into internment camps.

The whole idea, as I see it as to why people often group together (in this country) based on their skin color,
or start groups (NAACP), or Latino Americans group, etc, etc, is because they have experienced discrimination based on their
skin color so they find protection and safety with being with others who share the struggle.

Let me put it another way, if this country was founded and there was never slavery, there was never Jim Crow laws,
there were never Whites only and Blacks only water fountains/ bathrooms, then Blacks (I believe) would have never
gotten into the habit and tendency of identifying themselves by their skin color, because others would have not
conditioned them to identify themselves that way. You agree @PloughBoy , @GodB4Us ?

Let me know if that makes sense @MedicBravo .

 

[GodB4Us]

A lot of black churches do NOT want non-blacks there.
9/10 you have a fat man "preaching" who is pouring sweat just standing there. I think they purposefully look for and "train" them.
It isn't about us. You can sure far less white Christians are racist than the rest.
God didn't make us idiots so I'm not going to blindly trust some random stranger.
No one will ever be on Jesus level.
God also set up a hierarchy in ALL things.
God - self/man or self/woman. Husband to wife and vice versa. Children. Siblings. Parents. Given one is underage then the parents come after God. We also know you don't "take from others to help "strangers" as the Left does.
You take care of your own FIRST. You do not take the needs of self and others out of their control for others. I don't have excess so there is no extra to give the needy. Food banks are in most towns and cities in America and outside of it I do not care.
As God commanded Adam and Eve to "dress it and keep it" (Eden) that also applies to self and home. It makes no sense to ignore your own for others.

I do not believe God wants us to trust any random stranger but do unto them as you would want others to do unto you.

As for how churches are run, God the Father prefer a personal reconciled relationship with Him thru the Son of God aka the Bridegroom, the Lord Jesus Christ.

We are to be disciples of Jesus Christ in testifying of Him in seeking His glory.

We are not called to be disciples of our church, in representing what our church is about in seeking the glory of the church. But one can get that impression when you are not a member of that church even though you are a believer in Jesus Christ. For new members, classes must be attended and knowledge of the catechism of what the church believes in as well as in agreeing with it, before one can be an official member and the church would announce it to the congregation.

As if by becoming a member, you are now a mature believer in Jesus Christ. Not. Yeah.. one cannot rush everything the church believes in just to be a member of the church.

Since the learning process is ongoing, it seems rather vain to go through all that just to be a member. More chances than not, they are just agreeing with it even though they may not fully understand it, let alone defend it. And more than likely, they may forget it when they are learning it to obtain membership. I understand the necessity for understanding what the church believes in, so as to not teach anything otherwise, but that's the job of the elders to make sure no one does teach otherwise or from the pulpit in case the pastor goes astray or say something unclear that it could lead others astray for why they should stand up and ask for clarity.

But I digress. I can agree with you that some black churches will not want any white people there, but we cannot say that to be true for all dominant black people churches nor for all white people churches either.

How we behave towards others personally in representing Him & His love towards others daily, we should not allow the church to limit how we love others by on that one day of the week.

 

[GodB4Us]

Let me put it another way, if this country was founded and there was never slavery, there was never Jim Crow laws,
there were never Whites only and Blacks only water fountains/ bathrooms, then Blacks (I believe) would have never
gotten into the habit and tendency of identifying themselves by their skin color, because others would have not
conditioned them to identify themselves that way. You agree @PloughBoy , @GodB4Us ?

Let me know if that makes sense @MedicBravo .

It is self evident that all men are created equal, hard to imagine what our country would look like if it was really a Christian nation rather than a Freemason one. Where would the native American Indians be today?

Granted, Indians do war against other Indian tribes because of land disputes; hunting grounds and all that, so it does make me wonder if God permitted that to happen to the Indians because it could not happen any other way?

I remember as a tot, I had a white friend and a black friend. At school, the two wanted me to decide who was my best friend. I said God. They persisted that I was to choose among them and then my white friend was exasperated that I had not chosen him obviously as he tried to point out to me that my other friend was black. I did not like that. So I picked my black friend. Now if my black friend had said the same thing to me if I was black, I probably would have chosen the white friend.

Anyway, moved across several states in the summer prior to the fifth grade, Jesus has remained my best friend even though I have gone astray so may different ways, because He restored me to the path of righteousness for His name's sake.

Bottom line, I do not believe I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living until He brings us all Home perfect, but I do rely on Him to continue His work in me to help me love others, even my enemies, and that is something He has to help me to do and carry me through because it is hard for me to do. Good thing I know I can do all things through Christ Who strengthens me as I can do nothing without Him.

So if there is anything anyone see that they can believe they can not do, ask Jesus for help and trust Him as your Friend and Good Shepherd to help you do it & you may find Him carrying you through even those ordeals that you cannot imagine doing without Him.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

It is self evident that all men are created equal

To some it is self evident, to others it is not.
Not based on what they say, but based on how they live and how they treat people.

One issue I find is that people don't treat others (mostly speaking) as individuals. They put people
into a group, a certain category, and then treat people based on their relationship with that group.

So a Democrat once he finds out that a certain individual is a Republican, may put that person into the category Republican,
and treat that person based on the way they treat Republicans in general.

A person with a clean criminal record once they find out that a friend has a criminal record and is a past felon, may
put that person into the category "felon" and treat that person, based on how they treat everyone in that category.

A teacher may have a student who is in the gifted and talented class, and treat that student the way that she
treats all of her other students in the gifted and talented class.

A citizen may notice that their neighbor is a politician, and put that person into that category and treat
that person the way they treat all politicians.

A family member may find out that someone is a distant relative and a family member, and once they
find out that this stranger is a family member, they may treat them the way they treat all their family members (good or bad)
because of their view of their family.

I think you get the point. A big problem is that we look at people through the lens of their associations, affiliations, identity groups, memberships, social connections, etc,
and we treat that person a certain way, not because of what they have done to us, or because of their character but because of our
beliefs, prejudices, and feelings, about that category that we have put that person in.

People see Christians and once you say, I'm a Christian, they automatically put you in that category and relate to you
based on their experiences with other Christians instead of getting to you know you as a person.

No matter how prevalent or true a stereotype may be (Christians are judgmental, women like to gossip, etc) we should treat each person
as an individual, and not project unto them or relate to them based on the category we have put them in, and our past experiences
with others that share that label/tag/identifier.

I can assure you that on the day of judgement there will be no collective salvation or collective rewards or collective judgment.
Each person will be judged just for their sins, rewarded just for their actions, and not for those of their group.

No matter how strong or true a stereotype may be, let us all resist the natural tendency to not see the individual in-front of us due
to seeing them through the lens of others we have interacted with who share common labels with them.

 

[MedicBravo]

@GodB4Us

• When you go to one place you run into roughly at least 20 people if not more. One person doesn't have the time to have a conversation with each one. Knowing how most of the world feels when God is brought up most of the time you'll be shut down and put on that person's mental list of "People to avoid."
• I agree and at some point churches did well but even back then many did not. The Letters were mixed; with some praising and pointing out a few faults while others gave little praise and showed their high rate of flaws.
• I gave up on churches years ago. However, and as part of my testimony, I was going back but gave up (long story) and I promise to you God spoke to me. It was on a Sunday morning. Simply, "Get up. Go to church. You will not quit this." This didn't mean that church as I learned later but any idea of God being "not real" and the Bible was a lie is 100% absurd.
• IMO, becoming a Christian is a (hopefully) life long college course. Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. - Bible.
• The only membership I care about is being part of God's children.
• I learned from my mistake at attending a "non-denominational". Outside of that church they answer to no one. When you grew up with the Pastor who you'd never thought would be, marries a pastor's girl, adopts two, has two of their own and then cheats with the church secretary who he married a few years prior only to divorce her and then marry that woman who has her own sinful past.
• I never speak in absolutes as it rarely applies and when it does it's accurate.

 

[GodB4Us]

To some it is self evident, to others it is not.
Not based on what they say, but based on how they live and how they treat people.

I was referring to that line in the Declaration of Independence, but even then, in that same Declaration of Independence, they referred to the savages, the native American Indians, as " if " something to get rid of.

So I agree that the American people, even in the early days of the United States of America in declaring their independence to England, don't do as they say. We are a broken sinful people for why we need Jesus Christ as our Saviour to help us to love others, even our enemies, as He has given us commandments.

 

[GodB4Us]

@GodB4Us

• When you go to one place you run into roughly at least 20 people if not more. One person doesn't have the time to have a conversation with each one. Knowing how most of the world feels when God is brought up most of the time you'll be shut down and put on that person's mental list of "People to avoid."

Yeah, my enemies are successful in alienating me from others using the means they have to offend people though I have said nor done nothing. So church is not an option when they go around defaming me with the dentists, and doctors and not just the work place. It is a grief what I go through with the Pharmacy just to get my prescriptions. It is my lot in life to suffer it until He calls me Home. I sure do need His help to go through each day and so I am glad He is with me always.

• I agree and at some point churches did well but even back then many did not. The Letters were mixed; with some praising and pointing out a few faults while others gave little praise and showed their high rate of flaws.

It is a given when we are not perfect and yet we are to see the church that way too, but when it comes to not being able to address iniquity for the church to act on it, & they want you to be silent, I had quit my membership then. Goes to show how a church will scatter the sheep and not bother to go after it as Jesus would. Same thing with believers testifying about the falling of the Holy Spirit on them and some testify of bringing tongues for private use. They do not care how their testimonies or how that statement of faith for this forum regarding the baptism with the Holy Ghost would scatter believers from them just because they did not have that supernatural experience they had at their salvation or at other times.

At any rate, we are not all speaking the same thing here nor holding to the same judgment when their supernatural experience is something they wish to hold to & highlight while dividing the body of Christ by it without meaning to, but here you can speak out, and even out of turn or off topic when it applies.

• I gave up on churches years ago. However, and as part of my testimony, I was going back but gave up (long story) and I promise to you God spoke to me. It was on a Sunday morning. Simply, "Get up. Go to church. You will not quit this." This didn't mean that church as I learned later but any idea of God being "not real" and the Bible was a lie is 100% absurd.

God is real all right. But like this forum, you pretty much has to see church in the same way, and to have patience to see when and how God would lead you to speak, even if it is to send a message in the church bulletins they and out in or a saying on the Church's bulletin board as a reminder or an encouragement or a reproof to se the wayward straight if God be peradventuring to recover some from the snare of the devil.

The only avenue for me is this forum so far, but that can change. If the Lord leads me elsewhere or just stop coming, so be it, but this following Him is beyond me to comprehend as I can only trust Him to direct my foot steps, especially if I make a wrong decision like stop coming here.

• IMO, becoming a Christian is a (hopefully) life long college course. Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. - Bible.

I agree. Never stop learning.

• The only membership I care about is being part of God's children.

Which we have His seal of adoption for by believing in Him, even in His name; er John 1;12-13 The call to live that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ is what discipleship and running that ace is all about; not for salvation, but moving on to perfection, seeking to obtain that crown without indulging in a sinful living without repentance thus becoming a castaway as a result should the Bridegroom come.

• I learned from my mistake at attending a "non-denominational". Outside of that church they answer to no one. When you grew up with the Pastor who you'd never thought would be, marries a pastor's girl, adopts two, has two of their own and then cheats with the church secretary who he married a few years prior only to divorce her and then marry that woman who has her own sinful past.

My former church was lax in that department as well. They would lead members to make a commitment to Christ, and have meetings before the pastor would marry the couple but when it comes to divorce, hardly any stonewalling there. Indeed, the pastor preached from the pulpit that it is not an unforgiveable sin to get a divorce. Although true, he shouldn't be preaching that because it is the same as saying it is not an unforgiveable sin to commit murder either. What is done is done, but when couples go through something like that, pastors should not be preaching using God's grace to commit sin. God forbid it.

One can hope that Jesus will set believers free from that commitment to Him to instead follow Him by faith that He will help the to follow Him and not add extra vows of love at their wedding when love is not boastful to be parading itself like that when we are to rely on the Lord for His love to bless that marriage while acknowledging that marriage is a covenant God performs when 2 people agree to for how God joins the two as one; not their extra vows of boastful love. Indeed, it is evil to speak of plans for tomorrow per James 4:13-17 and so by those extra vows of love is the knowledge of sin and the devil tempting one or both of the couples to keep a record of sins to judge one another & to destroy the marriage.

God can forgive those already divorced and remarried, but repentance is required not to say it is okay to get a divorce, but to rely on the Lord to help them love each other instead. Granted, adultery or fornication is the excuse Jesus gave to get a divorce and so they are free to remarry and then again Paul spoke by permission that if the unbelievers wishes to remain married to the believer, the believer is not to depart but if the unbeliever wishes to depart, then the believer can depart and be free to remarry.

But the way this country runs and the way churches runs, many are led astray when it comes to a divorce and so God's mercy and grace is required, but the danger is teaching others to use God's grace to commit sin. That is how the unrepentant find themselves as breaking the least of His commandments and teaching other so shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.

And I was not good in one regard when someone had asked me to be his best man but I had not heard from him for a long time and I was a second choice because his first choice refused because he was marrying a divorced person. From what I understood, that former husband was still around as his rights to visit his child but when my friend had died, I did wonder if I had done wrong to him & the Lord for being that best man. And that pastor that gave that speech to the church that it was not an unforgiveable sin to get a divorce was officiating the wedding and it did come across as if he was rubbing it in by his body language.

So there is no stellar record of me following Him other than asking for forgiveness and His help not to do that again. The same applies to anyone getting a divorce and remarrying.

• I never speak in absolutes as it rarely applies and when it does it's accurate.

When it comes to following Him and keeping His commandments, when I consider how long He has been in me and with me always in spite of me when I was led astray, helping me and delivering me finally out of all the known iniquities that I know of and to lean on Him not to repeat those sins again, the commandment to withdraw from those that do not hear Him nor His words thus not hearing me in this forum is beyond me in knowing for sure what to do, when I consider how patient the Lord has been in my life. I trust Him with what I see as absolutes when it looks like I should withdraw, but my dreams have a way of hinting me or prophesying that I am to go back and He seems to direct my path to do so.

May He continue to shine the light in this forum since only He can provide the seed and the water and cause the increase as He has done for me in patience even though I was led astray.

 

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I was referring to that line in the Declaration of Independence, but even then, in that same Declaration of Independence, they referred to the savages, the native American Indians, as " if " something to get rid of.

So I agree that the American people, even in the early days of the United States of America in declaring their independence to England, don't do as they say. We are a broken sinful people for why we need Jesus Christ as our Saviour to help us to love others, even our enemies, as He has given us commandments.

Yup, I am aware that was the reference.

I was just adding to it and bringing it into modern day practice.