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Prying Thoughts

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The desire to know the truth concerning the concept of whether or not one can lose a redemptive position in the Lord Jesus is clearly the most popular spiritual growth doctrine among the New Testament teachings (which of course is a separate issue concerning receiving salvation). It’s clear that Scripture contains language that can appear to support either concept, and I believe there are two certainties concerning this issue: that only one of these concepts is true; that until the translation of the Church there will always remain believers who will accept one or the other as truth.

It’s been wisely said that asking good questions is key to finding good answers! At present one of my most prying thoughts is why Scripture (primarily in the NT) has been written in a way that often presents significant difficulty in understanding spiritual growth truths due to numerous passages that seem to contradict and conflict with one another, even though we know there is perfect coalescence in thought and practical application within the plenary of “the Word of Truth.”

It’s my belief there are at least two possible reasons answering to this paradoxical situation; for the purpose of requiring Bible-studying believers to maintain an ever-increasing reliance on the Holy Spirit’s instructions for understanding (1Co 2:13); and to learn to exercise respect and kindness to one another amidst the ongoing frustrations that often arise when communicating beliefs with one another. For success here, what we believe to be the truth must be communicated “in love” (Eph 4:15).

Love to one another is the pinnacle goal of all Biblical doctrine, because practical love to God is only apprehended in practical love to others (1Jn 4:20); and God’s love is incomplete in us if we do not desire to love one another (4:12). It is common knowledge that loving God is obeying Him (Jhn 14:15; Jhn 14:21), therefore neighborly love is the primary work that maintains consistent obedience to Him; without which our walk and doctrinal conversation will be unsuccessful concerning spiritual growth.
 
The desire to know the truth concerning the concept of whether or not one can lose a redemptive position in the Lord Jesus is clearly the most popular spiritual growth doctrine among the New Testament teachings (which of course is a separate issue concerning receiving salvation). It’s clear that Scripture contains language that can appear to support either concept, and I believe there are two certainties concerning this issue: that only one of these concepts is true; that until the translation of the Church there will always remain believers who will accept one or the other as truth.

To be honest, I have mot seen any scripture to support OSAS. If you want to rebuttal, that's fine, but I ask for one or two scriptures at a time. It takes too long to reply to 10 scriptures at a time.
 
To be honest, I have mot seen any scripture to support OSAS. If you want to rebuttal, that's fine, but I ask for one or two scriptures at a time. It takes too long to reply to 10 scriptures at a time.


fist I will say I am not sure of the doctrine one way or the other. I always think we need to be making intentional effort to get closer to God, always.

I do find some scripture that suggest that also

1 Corinthians 15:2
And by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.


this is a interesting one, it says being saved, and it seems to suggest as evidence of this we are holding to Jesus word, seems to me this scripture rules out a carnal christian anyway


Romans 8:13
For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.


here again we have to live a certain or we are going to die, and I think this is evidence not work,. BUt it again to me rules out a carnal Christian.

I think in a way OSAS makes sense in that God knows, but for us ,,it best to keep focused on being intentional about seeking God with everything we got and certainly not to take anything for granted
 
this is a interesting one, it says being saved, and it seems to suggest as evidence of this we are holding to Jesus word, seems to me this scripture rules out a carnal christian anyway

Actually it says "are" being saved as opposed to "have been saved", As if it is not yet complete.
 
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