Questionable Sins

[lentz]

I heard of a man who married a woman from Georgia where in here church everyone smoked including the Pastor and no one thought anything about it.
Then her husband was called to pastor a church in California.
When the wife got out there she almost had a stroke. She saw male and female swimming together at the beach. This was in 1940s. That was taboo for her type of folk. But then,no one smoked at the church. That was taboo for them.
Ipersonally am sitting here typing with a big George Burns type cigar in my mouth.
To some that is sin. I and others find nothing wrong with it.
How do people,or why,do people judge even themselves over such trivial things?

Another rambling thought

 

[lentz]

I know that in some churches,if you smoke you are condemned to the pits of hell. But they can meet at the church and go to R rated movie together.

I know of an ol boy here,well he's passed on now. But he was called to pastor this certain denomination and had to hide from the congregation that he smoked.
My question to that is,Who would be most at fault. Him for not telling he smoked? Or the church for placing the burden on him with their silly laws?
Mind you he never lied about it. Just never mentioned it. If he had he would be asked to step down.

 

[Curtis]

1Co 8:9 But be careful that by using your freedom you don't somehow make a believer who is weak in faith fall into sin.
1Co 8:10 For example, suppose someone with a weak conscience sees you, who have this knowledge, eating in the temple of a false god. Won't you be encouraging that person to eat food offered to a false god?
1Co 8:11 In that case, your knowledge is ruining a believer whose faith is weak, a believer for whom Christ died.
1Co 8:12 When you sin against other believers in this way and harm their weak consciences, you are sinning against Christ.
1Co 8:13 Therefore, if eating food offered to false gods causes other believers to lose their faith, I will never eat that kind of food so that I won't make other believers lose their faith.

Here Paul is referring to food, but it can be anything that could cause someone to stumble.
To me I could drink a beer once in a while but I will not drink at all because there are some who think it is a sin.

 

[theLeadmonger]

Habit forming substances vary greatly. During the prohibition era, alcohol, which is religiously symbolic to both Greek and Roman cultures of great antiquity, was banned because if sold commercially in larger then communion sized symbolic amounts it is habit forming. Tobacco on the other hand, also habit forming but of no historical symbolic significance whatsoever, is a target of moralists not because it, like coffee, requires commerce with Indigenous people and Islamic Arbs who use coffee especially, but for reasons of its aroma, people's sloppy habits regarding its clean up, and just to be political and get a name.

In terms of private practice, my view is that it's not good to be excessive in anything. Alcohol as a distilled mixture is also a sanitizer, used in both surgery and industry. If you drink for fun, you pay your money and might or might not meet that dance floor bunny, but if you are what they call a "serious drinker" and privately buy wine for the label to commune symbolically on that basis, then you do. Good luck getting in spiritual touch with Captain Morgan, 55 Cesium the atomic element of the Federalist Red, but at the same time symbolic communion is private, and I'll thank you for not assuming that I also want a sip, glass or bottle of the expensive crazy labels for sale across the street in QFC.

Legal and illegal sales of anything at all that have medicinal uses are far too political. I'm against the sale of street drugs, because if it's a properly regulated surgeon's medicine, then I know that the person in possession of it is a thief, and at that a hospital burglar. Nicotine is a smelly, and messy alternative to Codeine, Vicodin, or Percocet, and it has exactly the same opiate effect. If it costs too much to smoke Lucky Strikes, then don't. Don't smoke socially, only buy a pack when you feel the need for instant pain relief and you need it as you'd need a run of antibiotics, but can't get a prescription for something stronger than aspirin or Tylenol and that enters your bloodstream faster than Oxycontin, etc.

I have no use whatsoever for psychedelics. I can't see what people see in cannabis, LSD, or Opium.

 

[Garee]

Hi I would offer. . . anything that is not of the faith or power of Christ that works in believers, as it is written . . .is sin .

Romans 12 informs us that we should try and protect that faith as a measure of His faith that he gives to all he calls us little faith .(not a belief or understanding of our own selves) We offer our dying bodies in a hope they will last for his purpose. . Christ desires we live for him by taking care of it .

I need prayer for more exercise.and healthier food . .

Romans 12:1-3 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

In that way everyone doubts. leaving us with with a dept no man could pay. . . that we love one another as we are loved of God. God is Love.

Romans 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

God does know our daily struggles and informs us a little wine is good for the stomach or soul.

I am not advocating non prescription drugs (poisons) but they are part of history . Drug deals involving the family were made with mandrakes , . . the making of the twelve tribes. .

Genesis 30:14 And Jacob came out of the field in the evening, and Leah went out to meet him, and said, Thou must come in unto me; for surely I have hired thee with my son's mandrakes. And he lay with her that night.

Song of Solomon 7:13 The mandrakes give a smell, and at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old, which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved.

I believe alcohol called, wine in the Bible is the gateway drug causing a ripple effect in the spiritual world. Satan the father of lies trying to make God's word without effect using wine. .

Then yes do not look at the intoxicants because of color and sparkle and name changes Sun rise, Moon rise Bloody Mary . A-Z false pride comes in a legion of manners

The 1930's a terrible time Christian woman that strongly opposed the government sanction knowing they could be losing their husbands or vice versa and children lose. .

Wine the gateway drug to this world . the competition is growing. poison mushrooms on the rise. with a doctors approval signature. Something new every day used to mask the pains of dying . .

Ephesian 5:18 RGT And do not be drunk with wine (wherein is wastefulness). But, be filled with the Spirit,

The word wine is literally anything that intoxicants our thinking. not just liquid. . it includes anything that is not of faith (the power of God).

False pride can be included. eat a little honey .

1 Samuel 14:29 Then said Jonathan, My father hath troubled the land: see, I pray you, how mine eyes have been enlightened, because I tasted a little of this honey.

A Little faith, , , ,little honey . .sleep tight just what the doctor ordered LOL Thank him in the morning.

The fruit of His Spirit self control .. . ours out of control .

Revelation 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

The twinkling of the eye. . . sweet tooth. . LOL

Proverbs 23:8 The morsel which thou hast eaten shalt thou vomit up, and lose thy sweet words.

Proverbs 25:16 Hast thou found honey? eat so much as is sufficient for thee, lest thou be filled therewith, and vomit it.

 

[QueenOfHearts]

I heard of a man who married a woman from Georgia where in here church everyone smoked including the Pastor and no one thought anything about it.
Then her husband was called to pastor a church in California.
When the wife got out there she almost had a stroke. She saw male and female swimming together at the beach. This was in 1940s. That was taboo for her type of folk. But then,no one smoked at the church. That was taboo for them.
Ipersonally am sitting here typing with a big George Burns type cigar in my mouth.
To some that is sin. I and others find nothing wrong with it.
How do people,or why,do people judge even themselves over such trivial things?

Another rambling thought

What comes to my mind is, our body is a temple. The Holy Spirit resides in our body, if saved, so therefore, maybe think of it like this, "He doesn't want to smoke, so why should I?"

 

[lentz]

What comes to my mind is, our body is a temple. The Holy Spirit resides in our body, if saved, so therefore, maybe think of it like this, "He doesn't want to smoke, so why should I?"

But then I would have to wonder, “well maybe he doesn’t like green peas,should I stop eating them “?

We put laws and restrictions on ourselves. No where does scripture say it’s sin to dance,gamble,smoke,

 

[B-A-C]

where does scripture say it’s sin to dance,gamble,smoke,

Smoking is a no-no.

1Cor 3:16; Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
1Cor 3:17; If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.

Dancing is fine. Gambling goes to not trusting the Lord.

1Tim 6:9; But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction.

 

[Hekuran]

We can disagree over the status of individual sins, but the essential question is an important one.

If we travelled in time to the days of the early church, most of us would find it very hard to accept the ownership of slaves, which was complacent enough for Paul to give instructions to masters in Ephesus.

And I imagine they would be horrified to hear that in the west we commonly put our parents in retirement home in their final years.

At least part of it is navigating the complexities of interpreting how the Bible's wisdom translates from then to now. And I believe we should pay far more attention to 'wisdom' than we typically do.

 

[Brad Huber]

Mortal versus venial, the real issue is... is venial okay to some who are not being convicted that its a sin.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I heard of a man who married a woman from Georgia where in here church everyone smoked including the Pastor and no one thought anything about it.
Then her husband was called to pastor a church in California.
When the wife got out there she almost had a stroke. She saw male and female swimming together at the beach. This was in 1940s. That was taboo for her type of folk. But then,no one smoked at the church. That was taboo for them.
Ipersonally am sitting here typing with a big George Burns type cigar in my mouth.
To some that is sin. I and others find nothing wrong with it.
How do people,or why,do people judge even themselves over such trivial things?

Another rambling thought

Roman 14 is your answer. It speaks about "Judging one another" (specifically about food). Different people are led differently about peripheral stuff. but Romans 14:23 says IF YOU CAN DO IT IN FAITH (Heb11:1 / Romans 10:17 definition of FAITH), fine, but if you CAN'T then it's SIN for you.

 

[Brad Huber]

As to not doing something to appease the "weaknesss" of a brother or sister... this more often than not is taken to extremes that were never intended. If you "know" someone has an addiction to smoking and smoking around them makes them stumble then yes, it is. But to not smoke at all, just in case it might make someone stumble is living under made up rules like what the pharisees did. Although smoking over time is bad for our lungs, and promotes a type of cancer, most of the foods you buy nowdays in stores is filled with unnatural stuff that also isnt good for our bodies, eating to much is bad for our bodies, not getting enough sunshine and exercise is bad for our bodies... the list could go on and on.

 

[lentz]

Corinthians says we are the temple and are not to defile it.
But defiling the temple is a spiritual defilement.
It’s not what goes in the mouth,but what comes out.
It’s the heart that gets defiled.
Like the brother said,if it offends or makes a brother stumble it is sin,and if not in faith, it’s sin.
But no one can dictate to another what is or isn’t sin in a person’s personal life.
I can eat meat,I can smoke,I can drink,though not to excess.
But only around others as my conscience allows. Always thinking of my brother first.

 

[MedicBravo]

I heard of a man who married a woman from Georgia where in here church everyone smoked including the Pastor and no one thought anything about it.
Then her husband was called to pastor a church in California.
When the wife got out there she almost had a stroke. She saw male and female swimming together at the beach. This was in 1940s. That was taboo for her type of folk. But then,no one smoked at the church. That was taboo for them.
Ipersonally am sitting here typing with a big George Burns type cigar in my mouth.
To some that is sin. I and others find nothing wrong with it.
How do people,or why,do people judge even themselves over such trivial things?

Another rambling thought

We are to take the best care of our bodies. Smoking is a waste of money and it harms the body.
It's not trivial. Just b/c something exists it never means it is good, normal, moral, ethical, logical, or common sense.

 

[lentz]

We are to take the best care of our bodies. Smoking is a waste of money and it harms the body.
It's not trivial. Just b/c something exists it never means it is good, normal, moral, ethical, logical, or common sense.

In a way that is correct.
But again, I hold to defiling the body is corrupting the heart,not the physical body.
How can I defile the elbow?

 

[watertolive]

Greetings in the Lord

All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. 1 Cor. 6:12
expedient- (adj)advantageous rather than right or just.

There is another that says, if your heart convict you, then to you it is a sin.
I can't recall where it is located right now, but it is in there.

And there's the one about... serving God with all our heart, all our mind, all our (body), and all our strength.

I also believe that a glass of wine or a beer is no harm, vs. being a glutton and drinking the whole bottle or 30 pack.
God asks us to be sober minded.

Glory be unto God.

 

[Twistie]

Habit forming substances vary greatly. During the prohibition era, alcohol, which is religiously symbolic to both Greek and Roman cultures of great antiquity, was banned because if sold commercially in larger then communion sized symbolic amounts it is habit forming. Tobacco on the other hand, also habit forming but of no historical symbolic significance whatsoever, is a target of moralists not because it, like coffee, requires commerce with Indigenous people and Islamic Arbs who use coffee especially, but for reasons of its aroma, people's sloppy habits regarding its clean up, and just to be political and get a name.

In terms of private practice, my view is that it's not good to be excessive in anything. Alcohol as a distilled mixture is also a sanitizer, used in both surgery and industry. If you drink for fun, you pay your money and might or might not meet that dance floor bunny, but if you are what they call a "serious drinker" and privately buy wine for the label to commune symbolically on that basis, then you do. Good luck getting in spiritual touch with Captain Morgan, 55 Cesium the atomic element of the Federalist Red, but at the same time symbolic communion is private, and I'll thank you for not assuming that I also want a sip, glass or bottle of the expensive crazy labels for sale across the street in QFC.

Legal and illegal sales of anything at all that have medicinal uses are far too political. I'm against the sale of street drugs, because if it's a properly regulated surgeon's medicine, then I know that the person in possession of it is a thief, and at that a hospital burglar. Nicotine is a smelly, and messy alternative to Codeine, Vicodin, or Percocet, and it has exactly the same opiate effect. If it costs too much to smoke Lucky Strikes, then don't. Don't smoke socially, only buy a pack when you feel the need for instant pain relief and you need it as you'd need a run of antibiotics, but can't get a prescription for something stronger than aspirin or Tylenol and that enters your bloodstream faster than Oxycontin, etc.

I have no use whatsoever for psychedelics. I can't see what people see in cannabis, LSD, or Opium.

Cannabis help me very much was on ova 25 medications for ova 15 yrs was in the hospital more then out them medicines that was supposed to help me had me sitting in a dark room for ova 5 yrs when the hospitalizations stopped the medication damaged my nervous system my body shakes so bad at times I can pour nothing always drop what I hold.. that cannabis slows the shaking so I can clean so I can shop for food so I can walk to a park with my pup.. im also now seizure free..

Praise YH He gives His children all we need so we can live n do His will!

Twistie

 

[theLeadmonger]

Cannabis help me very much was on ova 25 medications for ova 15 yrs was in the hospital more then out them medicines that was supposed to help me had me sitting in a dark room for ova 5 yrs when the hospitalizations stopped the medication damaged my nervous system my body shakes so bad at times I can pour nothing always drop what I hold.. that cannabis slows the shaking so I can clean so I can shop for food so I can walk to a park with my pup.. im also now seizure free..

Praise YH He gives His children all we need so we can live n do His will!

Twistie

Really? They made cannabis legal in Colorado, I wasn't impressed, but do know a number of people who say the same thing as you. I never had another medicine I needed to stop talking, I've had osteopathic surgery before, but I never needed anything after the two weeks of Tylenol or anything else more serious than an antibiotic for cold and flu.

 

[Twistie]

Really? They made cannabis legal in Colorado, I wasn't impressed, but do know a number of people who say the same thing as you. I never had another medicine I needed to stop talking, I've had osteopathic surgery before, but I never needed anything after the two weeks of Tylenol or anything else more serious than an antibiotic for cold and flu.

That's awesome! I know this much I'll neva trust a doc or The pharmaceuticals again frfr I research everything them docs have no problems over medicating patients for the sake of money..

Twistie

 

[theLeadmonger]

That's awesome! I know this much I'll neva trust a doc or The pharmaceuticals again frfr I research everything them docs have no problems over medicating patients for the sake of money..

Twistie

Tobacco is one thing, I mean, it has that analgesic effect. You could also just take aspirin, Tylenol, or Advil, but what people smoke it for is the analgesic property. Cannabis and mushrooms and stuff like that, I just don't know what to tell you without being impolite. There was this kid I knew back in college, he thought he was just a genius because he knew the chemical formula and process for making LSD. He really knew it too and made the stuff in his dorm room and sold it, and he was tripping on it all the time. Didn't finish his sophomore year, but yeah... was chemistry literate enough to know how to make LSD. Industrious and hardworking about it too.