(Refuting) This Going 2 A Church (Building) Saves You Doctrine!!

[spiriteddove05]

I keep coming across this doctrine where people seem to think just because they go to a church building that their ok with God. They seem to be so big on fellowship and nothing else.



Anyone can have fellowship, even criminal gangs have fellowship are they saved? Now I agree Christians should not neglect the meeting together but what are you meeting together for? Are you meeting together to serve the lord or are you meeting together to sin?



That’s right I spoke with a pastor and he said you could still sin and be a Christian. And you wonder why the churches are becoming more and more empty these days, well the good ones anyway, only a minute of good churches out there teaching the true word!!



You know who else goes to church? Satanic worshipers!! Yep there’s a satanic church just opened up somewhere in the states forgotten where, are you gonna tell me their saved too coz they go 2 a building?



I agree with going to a church so called building only if the holy spirit is present and people are being moved like the apostles in acts 4, if there’s real deliverance of unclean spirits going on, people are speaking in tongues and interpreting, and also maybe some prophesying in the church?



You don’t need to go to a church building to have fellowship. Bible says in 1 john 7:1

"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."



Our real fellowship is within the body of Christ which is the body of believers. we all have unity of the spirit, one christian meeting another, we have slight

nuances in doctrine but we’re all baptised in the same spirit, but were not all in

unity of faith, believing the same thing, that takes time but it will come.



God's Holy Spirit unites us with Jesus Christ through new birth, empowers our growth & drives our love, bearing fruit in & through us.



The real word for fellowship is the greek word coinonia - a strong fellowship wat paul talks about wat churches shud have, means being as one, wat happens 2 u happens 2 me, if one person gets gift of tongues den we all get it coz were all one body, dats the mind set.



And we can have this anywhere God takes it, on the streets, view the internet on youtube or skype, I regularly watch sermons and fellowships online and I’m fine with that, I rejoice just as if I’m right their with them.

 

[Acts2:38]

You don’t need to go to a church building to have fellowship.

I regularly watch sermons and fellowships online and I’m fine with that, I rejoice just as if I’m right their with them.

I see where you going with this, and in one aspect, I would agree. Yet, with the comments you stated here above, that I disagree with.

I agree that its not the building, and going to the building. However, we are not to forsake the assembly. You are not worshiping with Christians, if you are at home watching from a computer chair. That would be forsaking the assembly. When you are able bodied to drive over there and be with them yet do not. I'm sure God would understand home bound types, but not able bodied people. Theres no excuse.

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Our real fellowship is within the body of Christ which is the body of believers. we all have unity of the spirit, one christian meeting another, we have slight

See, I agree with this statement here, though, it's a little hard to do when you are sitting at home drinking soda while everyone else is edifying each other and doing what they are told from by scripture.

Its not about the building- agreed

Its about being with other Christians, edifying each other, praising God together (hard to do when your at home and nobody knows you exist), taking the Lords supper in remembrance etc (cant do that when your watching online) so on and so forth.

 

[B-A-C]

I agree. We need to be careful with this. Yes I know the old saying.. going into a church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than going into a garage
makes you a car. That may be true... but almost all cars have to go to a garage every now and then (at the very least for an oil change) or they won't
be functioning as a very good car for very long.

While the building really don't have much to do with it. The congregating has everything to do with it. It's next to impossible to
love "one another" if there is no another. You can't pray for one another if there is no "one another". We can't bear each other burdens, if there
is no "another". It's next to impossible to be a Christian on your own. You can't love your neighbor as yourself, if you don't have any neighbors.

Paul says we need to gather together from time to time (even if it's not in a building).

Heb 10:25; not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

We can't encourage "one another" if there is no "another". We all need some accountability. Someone to pray for. Someone who will pray for us.
Someone to get advice from, someone to help us through life.

Eccl 4:9; Two are better than one because they have a good return for their labor.
Eccl 4:10; For if either of them falls, the one will lift up his companion. But woe to the one who falls when there is not another to lift him up.
Eccl 4:11; Furthermore, if two lie down together they keep warm, but how can one be warm alone?
Ecc 4:12 And if one can overpower him who is alone, two can resist him. A cord of three strands is not quickly torn apart.

All through Genesis one God says "it is good".. The first time God says it isn't good...

Gen 2:18; Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him."

It seems God never intended for us to be alone.

 

[Hekuran]

Got to be honest with you, I've never come across this doctrine. Who promotes it and where?

 

[Enxu]

The main concern of this is that people are calling any gathering an assembly of the church when there is rampant sin among those Christians who gather together.

Apostle Paul wrote clearly to the church that if there is a Christian amongst us that is actively practising sin we ought to excommunicate him/her until the sin is repented of. The same Paul and other apostles also wrote in their epistles that in certain cases we are to totally avoid certain people who either teach heresies or claim to be believers but yet exhibit certain lifestyles or behaviour contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

This is biblical church DISCIPLINE written in the NT but is not being practised at most church gatherings which is why I no longer participate in any until I have determined they do implement church discipline. Because there is no church discipline there is no holiness in the gatherings and now unbelievers see Christians in their Churches as hypocrites and then go on to blaspheme and reject the way of truth and the Gospel!

 

[Enxu]

Church Discipline verses

A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself (Titus 3:10-11)

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them. (Ephesians 5:6-7)

But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. (1 Corinthians 5:11)

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. (2 Timothy 3:2-5)

 

[PloughBoy]

I keep coming across this doctrine where people seem to think just because they go to a church building that their ok with God. They seem to be so big on fellowship and nothing else.



Anyone can have fellowship, even criminal gangs have fellowship are they saved? Now I agree Christians should not neglect the meeting together but what are you meeting together for? Are you meeting together to serve the lord or are you meeting together to sin?



That’s right I spoke with a pastor and he said you could still sin and be a Christian. And you wonder why the churches are becoming more and more empty these days, well the good ones anyway, only a minute of good churches out there teaching the true word!!



You know who else goes to church? Satanic worshipers!! Yep there’s a satanic church just opened up somewhere in the states forgotten where, are you gonna tell me their saved too coz they go 2 a building?



I agree with going to a church so called building only if the holy spirit is present and people are being moved like the apostles in acts 4, if there’s real deliverance of unclean spirits going on, people are speaking in tongues and interpreting, and also maybe some prophesying in the church?



You don’t need to go to a church building to have fellowship. Bible says in 1 john 7:1

"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."



Our real fellowship is within the body of Christ which is the body of believers. we all have unity of the spirit, one christian meeting another, we have slight

nuances in doctrine but we’re all baptised in the same spirit, but were not all in

unity of faith, believing the same thing, that takes time but it will come.



God's Holy Spirit unites us with Jesus Christ through new birth, empowers our growth & drives our love, bearing fruit in & through us.



The real word for fellowship is the greek word coinonia - a strong fellowship wat paul talks about wat churches shud have, means being as one, wat happens 2 u happens 2 me, if one person gets gift of tongues den we all get it coz were all one body, dats the mind set.



And we can have this anywhere God takes it, on the streets, view the internet on youtube or skype, I regularly watch sermons and fellowships online and I’m fine with that, I rejoice just as if I’m right their with them.

The “Holy Scriptures “ you presented is justifiably and hit the mark. Because most of the time how is there any true fellowship going on, when there is a mixture of leaven in the whole, and everyone else is just sitting in the pew, and just shaking their heads and saying Amen, no communication with no one at all. And that is not “koinonia”!
In the pass I have heard of members making statements like this: “you didn’t go to church this week , how are you going to hear from God”?

I like your beginning quote, it said it all.

"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." I know, not all churches are the same. Shalom

 

[PloughBoy]

But one thing I can really say, I am so thankful for is “the institutionalise “Roman Catholic Church” because they did give us “Wycliffe”, “Huss”, Knox, Calvin, William Tyndale, Luther, Joint preparations for the makings of the “KJV”! It had to take highly educated men in the sciences to give us the “Holy Scriptures” in the common man’s language. And GOD has, so “ordained” it, to be.

 

[Sue D.]

The RCC did Not intentionally give 'us' anything. The men you've listed -- it Was Martin Luther who put out the lists of problems within the RCC. The 95 'thesis' I think it's called. Martin Luther / the Lutheran Church // John Wesley / Weslyan Methodists / and the Presbyterians came from ??? The Baptist church came through a different line. But these are the mainline Protestant denominations.

The KJV is not the 1st Bible printed in the English language. But it is the one with the greatest recognition simply because it's printing was the first book authorized by King James 1.

You Do realize that there are Also NAS onlyists as well as KJV onlyists. And the NKJ and the ESV are Also very good Bibles to read.

 

[PloughBoy]

Well I have so many different copies of, ASV, NASV, RSV, NIV, NKJV, CJB, Geneva Bible 1560, William Tyndale New Testament , Coverdale Bible, what ever year they where printed copyrighted mutiable. I had to take a class on “Why so many versions of the Bibles “ back in the late 70’s. We had to investigate each “English translation” and who translated them! What group or person, and also investigate “paraphrases”. It took a year. So I understand what you are saying. “You know being a Calvinist, coming up is brutal concerning learning, studying and reading the text of “Holy Scripture “, not by force, It becomes a way of life. The norm, sometimes I think it is not good for the brain, because the brain is also affected by the fall. Even Jesus had to rest awhile and be comfort by Angels. Even God told “Elijah” to rest, for the journey is to great for you. I did not learn, to teach neither had the desire to teach but to know him and the power of His resurrection and to be able to give every man an answer concerning the hope that lies down with in us.
Then one day I will meet my maker, face to face, I will see Him as he really is. My Lord, My God. From a little kid I always wondered what this world is all about, because it's got to be more than this, and one day I m going to see my maker, I’m going to see God. Those thoughts did not come from Church “per se” they came through the pathway of my mother and the paintings of the family bible. Through the avenues of a corrupted world. Shalom

 

[Sue D.]

Thanks for sharing.

The Calvinist /Armenian 'thing' -- I try to remind people that those men were merely men -- Calvin had Strong opinions to be sure. All based on one 'side' of Scripture.

That class is one I would not want to take. A person's psyche can only handle So much.