Sabbath/Mark of The Beast/Commandments

[slimsavery]

Hi!

How is everone?

I have a question regarding revelations and the commandements. The following I belive is to do with the Mark of the Beast;

[10] he also shall drink the wine of God's wrath, poured unmixed into the cup of his anger, and he shall be tormented with fire and sulphur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
[11] And the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever; and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name."
[12]
Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.


After reading the bold I thought that as Christians we are not under the law of the commandments as such;( from Got Questions )

None of the Old Testament law applies to us today. When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15).

In place of the Old Testament law, we are under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2) which is to, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:37-40). If we do these two things, we will be fulfilling all that Christ wants for us to do, “This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3). Technically, the Ten Commandments are not even applicable to Christians. However, 9 of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the New Testament (all except the command to observe the Sabbath day). Obviously, if we are loving God we won't be worshipping other gods or worshipping idols. If we are loving our neighbors, we won't be murdering them, lying to them, committing adultery against them, or coveting what belongs to them. So, we are not under any of the requirements of the Old Testament law. We are to love God and love our neighbors. If we do those two things faithfully, everything else will fall into place.

In which case what does that verse mean from Revelations?

This takes me to my next point regarding the Mark of the Beast and the False Prophet. I read a while ago from a website called the "stewarton Bible school" ( which has no links to any major church etc I may add ). Their view differs from that of we dont have to obey the sabbath ( above bold )Their view regarding the Mark of the Beast is that when the antichrist appears on the world stage - Taken from their website


There is only one Bible-based answer to that question and it presents itself as the only conclusion that the foregoing facts allow; and that one inescapable conclusion is this: That as the true weekly Sabbath of Saturday and the seven annual Feast Days in the sacred calendar constitute the Sign of Yahweh the Almighty God of Israel, then the Mark of the Beast, the Lawless One, the one who vainly thinks that he can change the Sabbath days in God's law, must by process of simple deduction be the bogus sabbath of Sunday and all the other pagan festivals which are currently posing as Christian Holy Days: (Sunday, Ash Wednesday, Easter, Whitsun, Hallowe'en, and Christmas)

" In short, the popular holidays of Sunday, Easter and Christmas are forgeries of Yahweh's Signature. They represent the Antichrist's futile and presumptuous attempt to meddle with the calendar of the Almighty God!

How they originated and came to be adopted by most of the churches is a study in itself, a study you may wish to pursue in the nearest reference library. Indeed, it is now common knowledge that these festivals are inherently pagan, that they existed long before the Christian era and were only introduced into the Christian worship several centuries after the resurrection of our Saviour. But what is not generally known is that they represent the Lawless One's efforts to change the Sabbath and Festival commandments in Yahweh's law and that they constitute the Mark of the Beast. "

Then a reference to the False Prophet from the same website;

In matters of behaviour we must obey the commandments of God. The church which escapes the deception of the False Prophet is described as follows:
<TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap align=right>Rev.12:17 <TD>And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


<TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap align=right>Rev.14:12 <TD>Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
In other words "Fear God and keep His commandments." This is your whole duty and this is your best safeguard against the miracle-backed deceptions of the False Prophet, the Lying Spirit of old.

As I have written above the bold from " Got Questions" says " all except the command to keep the sabbath day which is why I belive that ( after talking to my local vicar - who has been very helpful ) Jesus during his time on earth said we mustn’t become a slave to the Sabbath – when his disciples picked ears of corn and were accused of working Jesus said ‘the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath - in other words we mustn’t become legalistic about it. So what is this " Stewarton Bible School " going on about?!!- and finally what does it mean " the church which escapes the deception of the false prophet " Im unsure what Chrutch this referring to if the commandments are

any help would be greatly appreciated. Im not at all worried that I or anyone has the Mark of the Beast now - even that stewarton bible school website says that the Antichrist/False Prophet would have to produce miracles to device people but like i say the verse I started with is a little confusing. Can I add I posted a similar thread a while back but that verse from reveleations is a little confusing and I just want to provide all the neceessary information above- I am not a beliver in what the stewarton bible school has written - i dont think I should be and I think from my previous threads that is a common or unanaimous thought here?

God Bless

Slimsavery

 

[stephen]

Hello Christian Brother,

I would love to be able to help you, and provide a sensible bible answer to your questions.

But it would take me weeks to catch up to where you are at.....in your bible reading, and studies. Even then I may not get a result.

God Bless You

 

[BecuzHeLives]

Hello brother slimlavery,

I not sure what is your question is about base on the reading. However, if I'm not mistaking is your question is about the holiday and festival right??? Here is my observative, holiday were make by man to boost the economic. Holidays such as Halloween are bad holiday because they are worshipping the devil, however businessman today make it seem that we are just having fun and dressing up. Once again this is solely for economic purpose however indirect as we celebrating this holiday we are yeilding to Satan. As for Christmas and Easter, I don't see nothing wrong with this holiday. It what you think of this holiday that matter. What do you do in Easter??? Do you hide the eggs and let the kid find them for fun?? Or do you feel happy that this is a holiday thta remind you our God is alive and his watching over us. Same case goes for Christmas, do you celebrate Christmas (or some unbelieve call it Xmas) because Santa Claus is coming to town? Or because we know a great love have been given to us on this dday that when change the course of all mankind??


"As I have written above the bold from " Got Questions" says " all except the command to keep the sabbath day which is why I belive that ( after talking to my local vicar - who has been very helpful ) Jesus during his time on earth said we mustn’t become a slave to the Sabbath – when his disciples picked ears of corn and were accused of working Jesus said ‘the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath - in other words we mustn’t become legalistic about it. So what is this " Stewarton Bible School " going on about?!!- and finally what does it mean " the church which escapes the deception of the false prophet " Im unsure what Chrutch this referring to if the commandments are"

As for this quote, if you read Matthew chapter 12. You will see clearly, why did our Lord Jesus Christ said this. Notice the Pharisian obey the law to be righteousness and he's very judgmental of those who do not follow the law. Jesus said that to remind him that Holiday was make to remind man of a certain things. Holiday wasn't make for man to obey and call themselves rightousness but Holiday was make for man so it can remind him of a significant things that have happen on those days.

[12]
Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.


After reading the bold I thought that as Christians we are not under the law of the commandments as such;( from Got Questions )

None of the Old Testament law applies to us today. When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15).

In place of the Old Testament law, we are under the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2) which is to, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:37-40). If we do these two things, we will be fulfilling all that Christ wants for us to do, “This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3). Technically, the Ten Commandments are not even applicable to Christians. However, 9 of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the New Testament (all except the command to observe the Sabbath day). Obviously, if we are loving God we won't be worshipping other gods or worshipping idols. If we are loving our neighbors, we won't be murdering them, lying to them, committing adultery against them, or coveting what belongs to them. So, we are not under any of the requirements of the Old Testament law. We are to love God and love our neighbors. If we do those two things faithfully, everything else will fall into place.

In which case what does that verse mean from Revelations?

On this case brother, it is quite simple. While we are love The God, and our neighbor we are actually obey the commandment. Keeping Sabbath days is no longer a law after Jesus Christ have died for us. However, if we love God and our neighbor. The only commandment we have to follow, this might be simple and yet we can ellaborated upon it. First of all, if you love God we must crucify our flesh. Galatian 2:20. That mean no more lying, no more stealing, no more lusting, no more hurting others....etc...If we love God we will learn to love other around us. Because we Love our Savior our Lord Jesus Christ, we received the Holy Spirit who will guide us through our life and reminding us what is wrong and what is right. Such as be respectful to your parents. In conclusion, we maybe following one commandment but the commandment that was giving to us covering the Old Testament commandments as well. However, we only need to follow one commandment but if we obey the commandment that was give to us by Jesus Christ himself, then we already fulfill all the commandment.

However, this lead us to the discussion that the Commandment keep the Sabbath day was no longer in affect. Yes, it is true after Jesus died so we only need to follow one Commandment which is to love The Lord and our neighbor. But indirect as we follow his only Commandment we are follow the 9 of the Old Testament Commandments as well. I hope you understand, I'm not a good explainer. I can understand things but can't never explain it well in English.

God Bless you brother, if you have any further question. If God allow me to understand it I'll try my best to answer it. God Bless brother.

 

[slimsavery]

Hi

Thankyu so much for taking the time to reply to my question. Your reply has been very helpful. If i could just clarify 2 points;

1 - However, this lead us to the discussion that the Commandment keep the Sabbath day was no longer in affect. Yes, it is true after Jesus died so we only need to follow one Commandment which is to love The Lord and our neighbor. But indirect as we follow his only Commandment we are follow the 9 of the Old Testament Commandments

Does this mean all of the commandments apart from the sabbath commandment?

and 2; In matters of behaviour we must obey the commandments of God. The church which escapes the deception of the False Prophet is described as follows:

What does the Church mean - i dont think its just one church but christains as a whole?

Thanks again for all your time

God Bless

David

 

[BecuzHeLives]

Hi

Thankyu so much for taking the time to reply to my question. Your reply has been very helpful. If i could just clarify 2 points;

1 - However, this lead us to the discussion that the Commandment keep the Sabbath day was no longer in affect. Yes, it is true after Jesus died so we only need to follow one Commandment which is to love The Lord and our neighbor. But indirect as we follow his only Commandment we are follow the 9 of the Old Testament Commandments

Does this mean all of the commandments apart from the sabbath commandment?

and 2; In matters of behaviour we must obey the commandments of God. The church which escapes the deception of the False Prophet is described as follows:

What does the Church mean - i dont think its just one church but christains as a whole?

Thanks again for all your time

God Bless

David

Hi Slimsavery,

If you think that everyday is a holiday, and live a life that glorify him then everyday can be Sabbath day. Isn't that true. So if we are those who love his Commandment and keep it in our heart. Then you have done all your duty as a Christian.

And Yes brother, Church is a whold. We are one part of Christ body and he is the head, and the church is his. So when the Bible say Church it referring to all the Church because in reality if you obey his command and believe in the savaltion of his blood, then we belong to him not to any specific church.

The best way have already been showed, that we follow his Commandments and resist satan and he will flee. God Bless you for your thirst of knowledge, I hope my post have help you somewhat.

 

[Fellowservant]

A few scriptures brother should clear this up:star:


Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, [but] not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.


So what day is Paul here refering too? Any day, even the sabbath, read below.


Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.


God bless, hope that helped...