Salvation is a Gift of God, It cannot be lost

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We are continually saddened by quote "church leaders" that have not been able to grasp the basic Truth that everlasting life is the gift of God, bought by the precious blood of the Savior, Jesus Christ. They then go on to teach with quote "authority" error in the face of clear Biblical Truth. We want to show, from Scripture that salvation is a free gift, that God made sure through His Grace, and kindness to us by Christ Jesus. This free gift cannot be lost, forsaken, or forfeited in any way as The Scriptures tells us in Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. So God would never repent or take back or change His Mind on His Gifts and callings.

To prove that salvation is a gift and can not be earned let us consider the following Scriptures:

In Romans 5:15-16 The Word of God tells us: But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

We are also told in:

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

It is the very essence of love to give. Even sinful man and women manifest their mutual love by the exchange of gifts. Children, parents, and friends seize upon birthdays, weddings, and almost any festive season as opportunities for manifesting their love by gifts. The love of God has been shown for all time in The Gift of His Son:

John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 3:24: Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

We have been "justified freely", without charge, without cause, "by His grace". Here we need to pause again that we may receive the double emphasis upon the "grace" element of the gift. Grace is of such a nature that it is entirely made null and void by the intrusion of "works" or "wages".

Romans 11:6: And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Romans 4:4-5 explains: Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Let not our own crude sense of right and wrong rob us of the "freeness" of this gift of grace. When Romans 3:24 says clearly we are, "being justified freely by His grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus." it does not say that this freely given justification is through the fact that the Lord Jesus earned legal righteousness for us, by His obedience to the law of Moses. Such an idea robs The Gift of grace of its glory, and brings God down to the level of a bargainer with His Son, whereas it is God Himself Who loved the world, God Who gave and sent His Son, God Who justifies us freely, God Who provided the ransom which is payment in full for all sin, past, present, and future.

There are some schools of theology that teach justification through the "imputed obedience", under law, of the Lord Jesus,

Romans 3:24 declared that it is through the "redemption" that is in Christ Jesus. The same truth appears in:

Romans 5:8-9 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

And again in:

Romans 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Christ's death dealt with our sin. His blood at once redeems, atones and makes us near to God. Redemption sets us free, and long before the administration of grace dawned, David realized that God would reckon righteousness where He forgave sin.

Romans 4:6-8 states: Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth (or assign) righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute (or assign) sin.

It was necessary that sin should be righteously dealt with, and that has been done, but it is the Glory of the Gospel that the same love that prompted our redemption and our deliverance can provide without charge, freely, and without cause (except in the great love of God Himself) "the righteousness of God apart from the law". So if the law of sin and death has been removed in Christ Jesus, how could we who the Lord will not count sin against break the law or sin?

Shall we reject this loving gift because WE do not understand how God could give it to us freely and without some external moving cause? We undervalue far too much the initial movement of God in our salvation. Who forced God in the first place to provide a ransom? What works of righteousness were accomplished, and by whom, before He would send His Gift of Love down to die? And all to a world that rejected Him and was dead in trespasses and sin.

If we take God at His Word and do not add to it or remove from it, do we not at once see that we may take the words of:

Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Here is God's own argument. The "free gift" of righteousness to the believer in The Lord Jesus is freely covered and provided for in the one great Gift of all, His own Son. Let none think that their righteousness is not resting upon a firm enough foundation-it is! It rests upon the uninfluenced grace of God, His favor to us that is unmerited by anything we have done or can do! Its bedrock is the love of God that changes not, and the fact of the Gift of Christ itself is sufficient pledge that having given Him, God will freely give, not grudgingly give, or have to be persuaded to give, but freely and without a cause, give all things that are necessary for life and glory. This does not refer only to the act of justification but covers all our needs, and our eternal blessedness.

Because of the free gift of life which is given to us and born within us, as a new man, a new nature, the Scriptures tell us:

1 John 3:2-3 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

This gift of new life can not be lost nor can it be corrupted:

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

This gift or incorruptible seed can not sin. Our old nature, the flesh can and will continue to sin but the seed or new nature God placed within is incorruptible. Even in the famous comic books and movies about the fictional character Superman, the story tells us he was invincible but still corruptible. If superman was exposed to Kryptonite he would become weak then powerless and sick, and eventually die. But the gift God has given us in Christ can not be corrupted by us, the devil, or any force or action.

Let us carefully follow the instruction of Scripture in:

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Here we are told whosoever is born of God does not commit sin, why? because God's seed remains in him and the Word goes on to make a very bold statement, it says the believer cannot sin because he is born of God. Here it seems we have an apparent contradiction. We all know we have sinned since we accepted Jesus Christ as Lord in our lives and believed in our hearts that God has raised Him from the dead. In fact, in the first chapter of this same Book it says:

1 John 1:8-10 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us.

So if the Scriptures in Chapter 3 says we cannot sin and in this very same Book in Chapter 1 it says that if we deny we sin God's Word is not in us we certainly seem to have a contradiction. Well, this simply can not be, but many will say, "see The Scriptures are written by men and men make mistakes" or they will say "well it says that, but doesn't mean it". Others may say "there is no way to resolve such a contradiction". We say ALL Scripture is Perfect in God's Word and God can not error. We will we do to resolve apparent contradictions. First, we must understand an apparent contradiction must be in one of three places.

1. We could have a bad translation or

2. We could have a forgery or addition to Scripture that did not appear in the original text or

3. The apparent contradiction could be in our understanding.

Here the answer is simply that the apparent contradiction is in our understanding.

In Chapter 1 The Scriptures are speaking of our old nature also called the flesh or the old man. The old nature in every believer will remain until the day of their death and it is this nature that is sinful and imperfect.

In Chapter 3 The Scriptures are talking about the gift of the new nature which is perfect and incorruptible. If Christians could but learn The Truth of The Two Natures in the Child of God they would clearly understand not only their day-by-day failings or sins but the perfect saints God has made them through His blessed gift which can not sin. So the Scriptures tells us in the old nature we will continue to sin but in the new nature or seed within we cannot sin because it is born of God and is incorruptible.

1 John 3:9-10 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Verse 10 starts out saying In This, in what? in The Seed. In the seed are God's children and the devil's children. A person can have only one human father and likewise, a person can have only one spiritual father. Thankfully there are many Christians whose Father is God and only a few unbelievers who are of the seed of the wicked one. Most people around the world do not yet have a spiritual father, so tell them about Jesus Christ and how much He Loves them and all He has done to save them and give them the gift of life. To be born of the seed from above is to do righteousness, and then we can truly love one another.

Again The Word tells us in the same Book:

1 John 5:11-13 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

The full confidence of God's Word and His Holy Apostles and saints tells us that once a person has accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and believed in their hearts God has raised Him from the dead, nothing and no one, not even themselves can separate that individual from the perfect and finished work given them by God in the form of the gift of eternal life which is Incorruptible seed:

Romans 8:38-39 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature (created thing), shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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[Waggles]

They then go on to teach with quote "authority" error in the face of clear Biblical Truth.

The Biblical truth is that people who have began the journey of salvation have the freedom to walk away from this - to quit - to backslide - to faint -
to believe another gospel - to allow worldly riches to prevail - to quench the Spirit.
There are multiple warnings throughout the NT to the saints to guard their faith and to remain steadfast.
A dog can return to its vomit and a washed pig can return to wallow in the mud.

 

[B-A-C]

Salvation is a Gift of God, It cannot be lost​

Gifts are lost, sold, and given away quite frequently. I don't see how "it's a gift" supports OSAS.

Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. So God would never repent or take back or change His Mind on His Gifts and callings.

No He doesn't. But we do. Let's take a look at Romans 11 shall we?
It's about a Remnant of Israel being saved, and it talks about how the Gentiles can be grafted in.
Even though the Jews were God's chosen people,, a partial hardening has happened ... until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

Generations and generations of Jews are lost, unsaved... Paul says God didn't spare the natural branches.
Now eventually "all of Israel" ( in that time ) will be saved. God can graft the natural branches back again.

But Paul warns...

Rom 11:21; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
Rom 11:22; Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

So then does that conflict with Romans 11:29 ? Not at all. The first 9 chapters of Romans are about individual salvation. Chapters 9, 10 and 11 switch over to talking about Israel
and how the Jews will be saved, the context really isn't about individuals at all. These are dispensational chapters about Israel.

So even though "the gifts and calling are without repentance". Generations and generations of Jews were not saved, and even people who are saved... can be grafted out again.
The gift that cannot be revoked is to the generations and generations of Jews that God gave the gift to. But even though He gave them this gift, many were grafted out, and
( dozens ? ) of generations were not saved.

Rom 11:20; Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;
Rom 11:23; And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

Romans 11:29 isn't a promise to you as an individual, it's a promise to the world that God won't take back the offer of salvation.

 

[B-A-C]

John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

So then... why are these people calling Jesus "Lord", if they don't believe in Him? Why are they doing things in His name if they don't believe in Him?

Jas 2:19; You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

Jesus tells them to depart from Him, because they are continuing to "practice" sin ( lawlessness, iniquity ).

Matt 7:13; "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
Matt 7:14; "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

The Bible says most people will not be saved. Even some who think they are saved.

Luke 13:23; And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?" And He said to them,
Luke 13:24; "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luke 13:25; "Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, 'Lord, open up to us!' then He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know where you are from.'
Luke 13:26; "Then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets';
Luke 13:27; and He will say, 'I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.'

 

[B-A-C]

Romans 8:38-39 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature (created thing), shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

That's great God loves us. But God loves unsaved sinners also. He loved us when we were unsaved sinners.

Rom 5:8; But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

However the "love" of God, is not the "salvation" of God. Too bad that verse doesn't say "Nothing can separate us from the salvation of God".

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Brother,

That's great God loves us. But God loves unsaved sinners also. He loved us when we were unsaved sinners.

Rom 5:8; But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

However the "love" of God, is not the "salvation" of God. Too bad that verse doesn't say "Nothing can separate us from the salvation of God".

perhaps the "salvation" of God is the knowingly receiving His Love and therefore also the Life that is His Love?

entering into His rest


Bless you ....><>

 

[B-A-C]

perhaps the "salvation" of God is the knowingly receiving His Love and therefore also the Life that is His Love?

Perhaps, but Matt 7:21-23; Luke 13:23-27; and Matt 25:1-13; would suggest otherwise.
We could have a whole thread about the difference between God loving us, and us loving Him.

entering into His rest

Heb 3:12; Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God.

Heb 3:17; And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18; And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were disobedient?
Heb 3:19; So we see that they were not able to enter because of unbelief.

Heb 4:6; Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,

 

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Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Hello B-A-C,

Take a look at Matthew 2:21 (above), and you will see why these people were being spoken to in this way: They were not doing the will of God the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, which was to believe on Him Whom He had sent. (John 6:29). For if they had, there is no way these words would have been spoken to them.

So then... why are these people calling Jesus "Lord", if they don't believe in Him? Why are they doing things in His name if they don't believe in Him?

Perhaps they wanted the glory attached to doing such works. Such were false prophets, or such as Simon the sorcerer in Acts 8.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Waggles]

Perhaps they wanted the glory attached to doing such works.

Perhaps they were simply disciples that failed at endurance and faithfulness.

 

[Dave M]

The way I see it,, many believe that they are saved who are not saved, Salvation brings a change in one's life. If you have not seen any change you most likely are not saved. The church is full of people who think they are saved but have not been changed. Jesus himself tells us that people who are in him that do not produce fruit will be thrown in the fire, I really do not know osas is true or not, but I think we need to be careful when talking about it.

John 15:1-27​

“I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.

John 15:6​

If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.

If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.

so the branch (person) actually believes in Jesus because the person is in Jesus, but they do nothing, they are taken away and thrown away

 

[Waggles]

The way I see it,, many believe that they are saved who are not saved, Salvation brings a change in one's life. If you have not seen any change you most likely are not saved. The church is full of people who think they are saved but have not been changed. Jesus himself tells us that people who are in him that do not produce fruit will be thrown in the fire, I really do not know osas is true or not, but I think we need to be careful when talking about it.

OSAS is false doctrine - it is unscriptural and fails to have any truth concerning discipleship.
The gospels and the epistles to the saved in Christ Jesus contain numerous warnings for the saints to take heed lest they fall away from belief.
Jesus himself talked about the cost of discipleship and that not all would endure to the end.
God is true and ever faithful, but humans are not.
People can be saved and become disciples (Christians) but then over time can backslide and return to the world.
It is not a matter of some concocted doctrine that not all disciples are saved, for salvation is a lifelong journey. , not a moment of belief.
It is those disciples who endure through their patience, and overcome their trials and tribulations who then have the hope of hearing those wonderful words:
"well done thou good and faithful servant, enter into the kingdom prepared for you by my Father."

Paul the apostle writing to Timothy a saint in the Pentecostal church -
2Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect’s sake, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 Faithful the saying: for if we died together, we shall also live together: [baptism; Romans 6]
12 if we endure, we shall also reign together: if we shall deny him, he also shall deny us; [who is Paul referring to here? Timothy and himself]
13 if we are faithless, he abideth faithful; for he cannot deny himself.

 

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Salvation is a Gift of God, It cannot be lost​

@B-A-C,
@Waggles

This thread was not started in order to engage in a once saved always saved debate. It was intended to give cause for rejoicing in What God has accomplished in Christ Jesus.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Waggles]

This thread was not started in order to engage in a once saved always saved debate. It was intended to give cause for rejoicing in What God has accomplished in Christ Jesus.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Then why did you post the title

Salvation is a Gift of God, It cannot be lost​

that is a direct 'Once Saved Always Saved' proposition ...

This free gift cannot be lost, forsaken, or forfeited in any way as The Scriptures tells us in Rom 11:29

Again OSAS claim (and also false teaching of scripture).

This gift of new life can not be lost nor can it be corrupted:

Again that is a direct false doctrine claim by OSAS.

 

[Waggles]

Once saved always saved
Denies the whole purpose of discipleship unto continuing faithfulness and above all endurance
Begs the question as to who is saved?

 

[B-A-C]

This thread was not started in order to engage in a once saved always saved debate.

I wish it worked that way Do you know how many threads are started here by people not wanting to debate? I would say I've started several hundred ( no exaggeration ) myself.
But no matter how safe you think the subject is, there is always someone who disagrees.

Still, OSAS ( a gift that cannot be lost ) is probably the most debated subject in Christianity.

There is a park with a large "kiddie" pool near my house. They drained it this week because of the fall season. But they'll fill it up again in late spring.
I think the shallowest part is about 7 inches deep. The "deep-end" is about 10 or 11 inches deep. There is another pool a distance away on the other side of the park.
It goes from 3 1/2 feet deep to 8 1/2 feet deep. There is a lifeguard on duty there when the pool is open. Both pools have a tall fence around them, no one can
"fall in" by accident.

Boot pools have been there since the 1970's. There is no lifeguard at the small pool, and yet, no one has ever drowned in that pool.
There is a lifeguard at the large pool, but even so it's my understanding there have been at least two drownings there over the last 40 years or so. There are plenty of
signs that say "Swim at your own risk". But no signs at small pool that say anything like "Beware! You can't drown here!"

Normally we warn people when there is a danger. Not when we think there isn't one.
If people went marching around the small pool all day saying "it's OK, you won't drown". I would likely agree with them, but because I agree with them, I would likely ignore them.
What's somewhat ironic, is that people can drown in the deep pool, yet there are no people marching around saying "Beware, you might drown!"

If people really believed you can't lose your salvation, they wouldn't have tell anyone, and they wouldn't have to argue with anyone who disagreed.
If people really believed you couldn't lose your salvation, there would be nothing to debate. I'm secure in my faith, in my belief, and it doesn't matter what anyone else says.

However, if you can lose your salvation... well then. That's when we need to warn people. We don't need to tell people or warn them they can't lose their salvation ( if that's what we really believe )
We need to warn them if we believe they can. Warn people of the danger. Don't warn them of being safe.

Nearly every week or so, someone will start a thread like this. OSAS... Why? Seriously, I'm genuinely asking without any malice.... why??
Why re-iterate something over and over and over again, if you really believe it can't happen?

Even if someone believes you can lose your salvation... so what? If you're right, it doesn't matter what they say or believe.
On the other hand, if we are right.... .. that's when people need to be warned.

 

[Waggles]

Matthew 10:22 and you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
ENDURE(S) in ESV NT search
27 verses found with 28 matches
Matthew 3 verses found 3 matches
Mark 2 verses found 2 matches
John 1 verse found 1 match
Romans 1 verse found 1 match
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1 Peter 2 verses found 3 matches

1. to undergo (hardship, oppression, privation, etc) without yielding; to bear up;
2. (transitive) to permit or tolerate
3. (intransitive) to last or continue to exist, to persevere;

 

[Andyindauk]

Salvation is a Gift of God, It cannot be lost​

@B-A-C,
@Waggles

This thread was not started in order to engage in a once saved always saved debate. It was intended to give cause for rejoicing in What God has accomplished in Christ Jesus.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

The crux of our relationship with Jesus is faith, without faith we have no relationship Romans 5:1-2. For the definition of faith, Hebrews 11:1-3. There's not many people going to argue with that. But what happens if we enter a relationship with Jesus and then at a later date, for one reason or another we walk away or are drawn away? Well there are plenty of warnings about the consequences of that. Let's start with the example of Esau who traded his inheritance for a bowl of soup Hebrews 12:16-17.

Faith is not just a one time thing; it has to endure and it has to last. Jesus warned that that would be a problem for many. He outlined the problem in the parable of the sower Luke 8:13 and prophesied that that would be a growing problem Matthew 24:12-13. Peter warns us that it would be better to have never believed than to believe and later reject 2 Peter 2:20-22.

Still on this subject there are two apparently competing views in James 5:19-20 who tells us that there's a second redemption for the returning infidel which is supported by Jesus in the parable of the prodigal son, Luke 15:11-32, and Hebrews 10:26-31 who says there is no 'second sacrifice' or way back. Read carefully; I don't think these are contradictions. These verses simply state a fact that there's only one sacrifice, Jesus's blood. Is does not say that there are any sins so big they overwhelm the power of that sacrifice so should we fall into sin and return, we only need to call on Him and the soul will once again be cleansed of its sins. BUT we do need to return!

That said, the thrust of your post is absolutely valid. God is never going to come to me and say: 'Err ... Andy: you know that gift I gave you back in 1975, well I want it back!!' Nor will I lose it unwittingly, like so often I do with my house keys and credit cards.

Thank you Chris and I hope you're having a lovely week.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings all,

there is nothing wrong or variable from the Father, no shadow of turning and His faithfulness is new each morning.

Perhaps another angle to consider with this thread is that we do well to encourage one another that God's gift of Salvation is secure as secure can be, plus much more. His promise... and He does not, can not, will not lie....

which leads to where the warnings need to be met...

it is the father of lies who will attempt to dissuade, rather than persuade any and all, that God's Word is movable and that even though He has promised, he might change His mind and position with regards to His Son and those who believe.

The Foundation is sure. The root is true.
We need to both encourage one another in this, as well as tell others, with conviction, and be not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ.

One of the first things that a new Christian will encounter is doubts and second thoughts about if it is all true and can they really believe so simply and have eternal life, now, as a completely free gift.
The enemy will try to get the new convert trying to add some good works to the cross.

The devil is a liar and if someone can stop believing in the FREE aspect of Salvation, by grace, if someone can get looking more at themselves than at the Crucified and Risen Lord and Our Father and His mercyful loving kindness that endures forever, even now, then the devil will be getting the glory... BUT all glory belongs to only One, our Lord and God, yea, glory and honour and praise... to our Saviour !!!

Salvation is a free gift from God and cannot ever be unfree or lose its value or standing.

Can people get lured away, yes.
Can people decide to throw it away, yes.
But His Salvation is without repentance and there is no double mindedness with God, concerning the Life of Salvation all can have through His Son.

Give no place to the devil and he will flee from you. No place means no place, not evena little lie or two for even asecond or two. And if you find that you do, then rebuke the devil, turn to Jesus and the Blood of the Lamb, praise the LORD and fill the void with His name.
You Are, Yes, You Are - YHWH Yes(h)uah
Not might be, but you ARE.. my Salvation, my Fortress, my Deliverer, and my God and Father, Whom i trust.

Let us come together in praise and let us stand together against the lies. Let us be one in Him.

'To let' is to consider it a legally binding, non corruptible fact.

The seed He sows in incorruptible. Does that not say volumes regarding His Salvation?

Take the shield of Faith, wherewith you can be/will be able to quench all the firey darts of the evil one.

Father.... lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil, amen

Return to the LORD your God, for He is gracious and merciful
Joel 2:13a

NOW that we have been put right with God through faith,
we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
Romans 5:1


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Matthew 10:22 and you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
ENDURE(S) in ESV NT search
27 verses found with 28 matches
Matthew 3 verses found 3 matches
Mark 2 verses found 2 matches
John 1 verse found 1 match
Romans 1 verse found 1 match
1 Corinthians 4 verses found 4 matches
2 Corinthians 2 verses found 2 matches
2 Timothy 5 verses found 5 matches
Hebrews 7 verses found 7 matches
1 Peter 2 verses found 3 matches

1. to undergo (hardship, oppression, privation, etc) without yielding; to bear up;
2. (transitive) to permit or tolerate
3. (intransitive) to last or continue to exist, to persevere;

and let us be thankful that He has sent the Helper for o how much we need Him

But I tell you the truth, it is profitable for you that I should go away; for unless I go away the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.
John 16:7

I am reminded of Naaman (see 2Kings 5) who did not want to receive the gift from the LORD [as it was too simple and the Way didn't seem as good as what he could find in his world] and it was his servant [helper] who encouraged him to do as Elisha instructed him to do.

Then went he down, and dipped himself seven times in Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God: and his flesh came again like unto the flesh of a little child, and he was clean.
2Kings 5:14


Bless you Waggles ....><>

 

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The crux of our relationship with Jesus is faith, without faith we have no relationship Romans 5:1-2. For the definition of faith, Hebrews 11:1-3. There's not many people going to argue with that. But what happens if we enter a relationship with Jesus and then at a later date, for one reason or another we walk away or are drawn away? Well there are plenty of warnings about the consequences of that. Let's start with the example of Esau who traded his inheritance for a bowl of soup Hebrews 12:16-17.

'Therefore being justified by faith,
we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
By whom also we have access by faith
into this grace wherein we stand,
and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.'
(Rom 5:1-2)

Hello @Andyindauk,

How wonderful it is to know that we have 'peace with God', and are 'accepted in the Beloved', not because of anything that we have done, but because of God's wondrous grace, on the basis of the sacrificial work of His Beloved Son.

Those of us who have come to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, as our Saviour and Lord, have done so by hearing and believing the gospel of God concerning His Son. The word entered and the seed of faith was sown in our hearts, and we were born from above. Praise God!

Faith is not just a one time thing; it has to endure and it has to last. Jesus warned that that would be a problem for many. He outlined the problem in the parable of the sower Luke 8:13 and prophesied that that would be a growing problem Matthew 24:12-13. Peter warns us that it would be better to have never believed than to believe and later reject 2 Peter 2:20-22.

Thank you

Still on this subject there are two apparently competing views in James 5:19-20 who tells us that there's a second redemption for the returning infidel which is supported by Jesus in the parable of the prodigal son, Luke 15:11-32, and Hebrews 10:26-31 who says there is no 'second sacrifice' or way back. Read carefully; I don't think these are contradictions. These verses simply state a fact that there's only one sacrifice, Jesus's blood. Is does not say that there are any sins so big they overwhelm the power of that sacrifice so should we fall into sin and return, we only need to call on Him and the soul will once again be cleansed of its sins. BUT we do need to return!

Thank you

That said, the thrust of your post is absolutely valid. God is never going to come to me and say: 'Err ... Andy: you know that gift I gave you back in 1975, well I want it back!!' Nor will I lose it unwittingly, like so often I do with my house keys and credit cards.

Thank you Chris and I hope you're having a lovely week.

Thank you, @Andyindauk, for the tone in which your entry was made, and for putting forward the references that you have for consideration. I need to consider them carefully before answering them, so forgive me if I am not able to give you a satisfactory response at the moment.

I hope that you too, are having a time of blessing, and joy in the Lord as you wait on Him.
In Christ Jesus
Chris