Seems many r stuck in traditional ways of man teachings

[Twistie]

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say

This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’”

Twistie

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

With respect, I reject the notion "God is spirit", for it reeks of gnosticism, aka "matters bad, spirit good". This is the prevailing phylosophy in the western world that causes people out of touch with reality, and misinterpretation of certain verses such as "man shall not live by bread alone" or "absence of the body is presence with the Lord" reinforces this belief. God is the Lord of both matter and spirit, for this reason he personally became a man and dwelt among us. The purpose of humanity is stated in Gen. 1:28, known as the cultural commandment - be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it." God wants us to steward his creation, not to chase the wind, which is what "spirit" literally means - wind. Instead, God's spirit is the spirit of truth, it will lead us to wherever God wants us to be and accomplish that cultural commandment, and that is the "truth" part.

 

[Hekuran]

With respect, I reject the notion "God is spirit", for it reeks of gnosticism, aka "matters bad, spirit good". This is the prevailing phylosophy in the western world that causes people out of touch with reality, and misinterpretation of certain verses such as "man shall not live by bread alone" or "absence of the body is presence with the Lord" reinforces this belief. God is the Lord of both matter and spirit, for this reason he personally became a man and dwelt among us. The purpose of humanity is stated in Gen. 1:28, known as the cultural commandment - be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it." God wants us to steward his creation, not to chase the wind, which is what "spirit" literally means - wind. Instead, God's spirit is the spirit of truth, it will lead us to wherever God wants us to be and accomplish that cultural commandment, and that is the "truth" part.

Yes, I agree with you on the corrupting influence of gnosticism. But beware the danger of fleeing gnosticism's "matter is bad" teaching so far and fast that you end up dismissing spiritual things altogether. And after all, Jesus declared that "God is spirit" John 4:24.

I find the clearest single place to go in the Bible is Colossians 1, where Paul declares that Jesus' work is to reconcile all things – spiritual and physical – to himself

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

 

[Twistie]

With respect, I reject the notion "God is spirit", for it reeks of gnosticism, aka "matters bad, spirit good". This is the prevailing phylosophy in the western world that causes people out of touch with reality, and misinterpretation of certain verses such as "man shall not live by bread alone" or "absence of the body is presence with the Lord" reinforces this belief. God is the Lord of both matter and spirit, for this reason he personally became a man and dwelt among us. The purpose of humanity is stated in Gen. 1:28, known as the cultural commandment - be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it." God wants us to steward his creation, not to chase the wind, which is what "spirit" literally means - wind. Instead, God's spirit is the spirit of truth, it will lead us to wherever God wants us to be and accomplish that cultural commandment, and that is the "truth" part.

Well that's a given YH is the Spirit of Truth..
For the Messiah spoke I AM the Way The Truth and The Light...

I don't nit pick words... those who are Of Him know..ya Know??

I keep things simple don't try n create conflict n waves when they r not needed..

To not know what the god one follows is like not knowing when ya stick your hand of a flame of fire ya will get burned.. idk

How I see it anywho

For YH is Spirit n those who Worship Him must worship in Truth n Spirit...

Can't get much more simpler then that..

Twistie

 

[Soyeong]

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say

This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’”

Twistie

For a nation who has the goal of putting the Torah into practice, the Torah practically demands further information about how to correctly do that. For example, in Numbers 15:38, it instruct to put fringes on the corners of our garments with a thread of blue, however, it doesn't say anything about what shade of blue should be used, what other colors should be used, what to use to make the pigment, how long these fringes should be, how to tie them to the corners of our garments, how many knots should be used, what to do if our garments don't have fringes, etc., so all of these things got left to tradition, and Jesus was not criticized for not following these traditions. In Exodus 18, Moses was being overwhelmed by people coming to him to make rulings, so in accordance with Jethro's advice, he set in place a system of judges to help make these rulings. In Deuteronomy 17:8-13, it gives authority to priests and judges to make rulings about how to obey the Torah that the people were obligated to obey. In Matthew 23:2-4, Jesus recognized that the Pharisees had this authority by saying that they sit in the Seat of Moses and by instructing his followers to do everything that they said, but not as they did.

So the problem that Jesus had with the Pharisees was not that there is something inherently wrong with following human traditions because many of them are good to follow, such as Purim (Esther 9:20-22) and the Feast of Dedication (John 10:22-23), but where Jesus had a problem was with the hypocrisy with which some Pharisees were setting aside the commands of God in order to establish them. Paul also taught to follow human traditions in 1 Corinthians 11:2, 2 Thessalonians 2:15, and 2 Thessalonians 3:6.

 

[Twistie]

For a nation who has the goal of putting the Torah into practice, the Torah practically demands further information about how to correctly do that. For example, in Numbers 15:38, it instruct to put fringes on the corners of our garments with a thread of blue, however, it doesn't say anything about what shade of blue should be used, what other colors should be used, what to use to make the pigment, how long these fringes should be, how to tie them to the corners of our garments, how many knots should be used, what to do if our garments don't have fringes, etc., so all of these things got left to tradition, and Jesus was not criticized for not following these traditions. In Exodus 18, Moses was being overwhelmed by people coming to him to make rulings, so in accordance with Jethro's advice, he set in place a system of judges to help make these rulings. In Deuteronomy 17:8-13, it gives authority to priests and judges to make rulings about how to obey the Torah that the people were obligated to obey. In Matthew 23:2-4, Jesus recognized that the Pharisees had this authority by saying that they sit in the Seat of Moses and by instructing his followers to do everything that they said, but not as they did.

So the problem that Jesus had with the Pharisees was not that there is something inherently wrong with following human traditions because many of them are good to follow, such as Purim (Esther 9:20-22) and the Feast of Dedication (John 10:22-23), but where Jesus had a problem was with the hypocrisy with which some Pharisees were setting aside the commands of God in order to establish them. Paul also taught to follow human traditions in 1 Corinthians 11:2, 2 Thessalonians 2:15, and 2 Thessalonians 3:6.

You see words I can see I Hear the spirit to me the same spirit is the Torah or OT the NT and many other books that many don't seek r afraid that go to..

Idk if ya seen how I am by what I wrote so I will re write.. I do not comprehend very well what I read n I have not been able to learn anything new since 1987 book wise.. so I am not able to understand what ur trying to say.. perhaps if ya break it down in a straight short way I may b able to comprehend what ur trying to say.. gosh hope I didn't loose ya..

Oh n if one wanna follow mans traditions n leave out what we r told we r to do that's a major problem..

Twistie

 

[Soyeong]

You see words I can see I Hear the spirit to me the same spirit is the Torah or OT the NT and many other books that many don't seek r afraid that go to..

Idk if ya seen how I am by what I wrote so I will re write.. I do not comprehend very well what I read n I have not been able to learn anything new since 1987 book wise.. so I am not able to understand what ur trying to say.. perhaps if ya break it down in a straight short way I may b able to comprehend what ur trying to say.. gosh hope I didn't loose ya..

Oh n if one wanna follow mans traditions n leave out what we r told we r to do that's a major problem..

Twistie

I cited verses where the Bible instructs to follow man's traditions.

 

[Twistie]

I cited verses where the Bible instructs to follow man's traditions.

Oh ok ya.. cursed is the man who depends on the flesh is what the Lord says.. as it is written..
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

And let's not forget as it is written

21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.

And flesh gives birth to flesh inky spirit can birth spirit

Like I had iterated if one wants to follow mans traditions all the power to him.. but one must know what god the one they follow r worshipping... And is that leader sending out to do what we r told to do? If not it's all in vain

Many of those who need a title are puffed up with pride n greed..

I have lived in quite a few states n many many many cities n visited many many many temples(churches) n came upon One in ova 20 yrs that was a true Church.. n ya know what that church consisted of? The homeless the drug addicts n the prostitutes the broken hearted but once A day we would all gather together to praise YH n to sit n sup with one another.. ya that was a true House of YH.. n then ya know what most of us did when we left? We went helped the other homeless n drug addicts n prostitutes..that preacher Neva once said bring me in people.. nope he said if ya know anyone that is hungry tell them to stop in they r welcome to eat with us.. He Neva Eva Eva asked for one red cent from us either... That's a true Church that's what family is n what true family does we help each other...

I have yet to Eva see another Church.. just a bunch of temples who people dress up for once a week to feed their shepherd...


Few yrs ago n idk what one calls it but He showed me like a valley and all the sudden He waved His hand like across me I mean n yet through me n He brought up closer n I seen houses n cars n even the electric poles n He said.... They better b careful who their master is...

N then this came to me


For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Idk I learned at a very young age not to trust no one no mo not my mom pops nan grandma aunts uncles not friends or strangers... As a child I always stood back n watched was very quiet didn't like to speak to people I was quite content by myself playing my guitar and doing my art.. I watched how people moved n seen how they changed in their ways depending on whom was around.. perhaps that's why I became so well at able to reading people.. not only can I read one I can also feel one I can feel if they r agitated or happy sad.. as crazy as it sound I can.. idk why not exactly when it started but ya

My point being theres a lot I mean a lot of deceivers out here in this day n time I definitely wouldn't trust what anyone says I gotta see the walk so I know does it match their talk n some I don't even need to see...I can tell by the way they write the words.. see He tells us to gentles as doves but as wise as a wolf is it?? I can't remember the exact words but I Hear what He is saying..

Apologies for the Long write I don't go off like that not that often but ya. I don't trust no human.. I follow Immanuel for YH is with me n He dwells in me cause if He didn't id literally would b dead in My Sins...


Twistie

 

[Soyeong]

Oh ok ya.. cursed is the man who depends on the flesh is what the Lord says.. as it is written..
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

And let's not forget as it is written

21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.

And flesh gives birth to flesh inky spirit can birth spirit

Like I had iterated if one wants to follow mans traditions all the power to him.. but one must know what god the one they follow r worshipping... And is that leader sending out to do what we r told to do? If not it's all in vain

Many of those who need a title are puffed up with pride n greed..

I have lived in quite a few states n many many many cities n visited many many many temples(churches) n came upon One in ova 20 yrs that was a true Church.. n ya know what that church consisted of? The homeless the drug addicts n the prostitutes the broken hearted but once A day we would all gather together to praise YH n to sit n sup with one another.. ya that was a true House of YH.. n then ya know what most of us did when we left? We went helped the other homeless n drug addicts n prostitutes..that preacher Neva once said bring me in people.. nope he said if ya know anyone that is hungry tell them to stop in they r welcome to eat with us.. He Neva Eva Eva asked for one red cent from us either... That's a true Church that's what family is n what true family does we help each other...

I have yet to Eva see another Church.. just a bunch of temples who people dress up for once a week to feed their shepherd...


Few yrs ago n idk what one calls it but He showed me like a valley and all the sudden He waved His hand like across me I mean n yet through me n He brought up closer n I seen houses n cars n even the electric poles n He said.... They better b careful who their master is...

N then this came to me


For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Idk I learned at a very young age not to trust no one no mo not my mom pops nan grandma aunts uncles not friends or strangers... As a child I always stood back n watched was very quiet didn't like to speak to people I was quite content by myself playing my guitar and doing my art.. I watched how people moved n seen how they changed in their ways depending on whom was around.. perhaps that's why I became so well at able to reading people.. not only can I read one I can also feel one I can feel if they r agitated or happy sad.. as crazy as it sound I can.. idk why not exactly when it started but ya

My point being theres a lot I mean a lot of deceivers out here in this day n time I definitely wouldn't trust what anyone says I gotta see the walk so I know does it match their talk n some I don't even need to see...I can tell by the way they write the words.. see He tells us to gentles as doves but as wise as a wolf is it?? I can't remember the exact words but I Hear what He is saying..

Apologies for the Long write I don't go off like that not that often

While I have no problem with you writing a long post, it does not relate to what I've said.

but ya. I don't trust no human.. I follow Immanuel for YH is with me n He dwells in me cause if He didn't id literally would b dead in My Sins...


Twistie

Again in Exodus 18, it set up a system of judges to make rulings for the people. In Deuteronomy 17:8-13, it gives authority priests and judges to make rulings that the people were obligated to follow. In Matthew 23:2-4, Jesus recognized that the Pharisees had this authority by saying that they sit in the Seat of Moses and by instructing his followers to do everything that they said. So if you don't trust any human, then you are not trusting in what God has instructed.

 

[Twistie]

While I have no problem with you writing a long post, it does not relate to what I've said.


Again in Exodus 18, it set up a system of judges to make rulings for the people. In Deuteronomy 17:8-13, it gives authority priests and judges to make rulings that the people were obligated to follow. In Matthew 23:2-4, Jesus recognized that the Pharisees had this authority by saying that they sit in the Seat of Moses and by instructing his followers to do everything that they said. So if you don't trust any human, then you are not trusting in what God has instructed.

Do you have no King?? The Lord instructs me do you really put it trust in man?... N this is what the Lord says cursed is the man who trust in man who depends on flesh for his strength... Do you not believe that YH teaches His children.. tell me where r the judges one should follow have u seen what is sitting on the benches these days? Many can look in the sky n tell what the weather will be but few know what season we r in?? N it is written I will teach my children in those days n these days r those days.. fact is Lord tol me not to walk in the ways like those who go to the temples once a week.. spirit gives birth to Spirit... Is them judges u follow do they tell you to go out n help those who r homeless fatherless the widows the poor for that is what He tells His children to do.. so if one is not following what YH says cause they to worried about doin what man says it's all in vain..

N when You Hear His voice do not allow your heart to harden like the ones of old...


Also the pharisee r the ones that were happy to hang the Messiah... For He spoke the Truth.. they put great burdens on the people

The Father is Spirit n those who worship Him must worship in Truth n spirit or it's all in vain n sadly many love doin vain worship ova what the Father says..



Twistie

 

[Soyeong]

Do you have no King??

Indeed, I have a King.

The Lord instructs me do you really put it trust in man?... N this is what the Lord says cursed is the man who trust in man who depends on flesh for his strength...

I cited where the Bible instructs us to trust priests and judges, which is completely different than this:

Jeremiah 17:5 Thus says the Lord: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the Lord.

Do you not believe that YH teaches His children..

Indeed, God teaches His children and also has given His children the spiritual gift of teaching (Romans 12:6–8; 1 Corinthians 12:28; Ephesians 4:1–12). There would be no point in the gift of teaching if no one was supposed to trust them.

tell me where r the judges one should follow have u seen what is sitting on the benches these days? Many can look in the sky n tell what the weather will be but few know what season we r in?? N it is written I will teach my children in those days n these days r those days.. fact is Lord tol me not to walk in the ways like those who go to the temples once a week.. spirit gives birth to Spirit...

In Acts 2:46, they went to the temple every day, so does that mean that you shouldn't be like them? What's wrong with going to the temples in accordance with obeying what God has commanded?

Is them judges u follow do they tell you to go out n help those who r homeless fatherless the widows the poor for that is what He tells His children to do.. so if one is not following what YH says cause they to worried about doin what man says it's all in vain..

Again God instructed His people to trust what men said, so it is not following what God said if you do not do that.

N when You Hear His voice do not allow your heart to harden like the ones of old...


Also the pharisee r the ones that were happy to hang the Messiah... For He spoke the Truth.. they put great burdens on the people

Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God's law, so he was much more zealous for obedience to it than they were.

The Father is Spirit n those who worship Him must worship in Truth n spirit or it's all in vain n sadly many love doin vain worship ova what the Father says..



Twistie

In Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law, and in Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, so obedience to it is the way to worship God in spirit and in truth.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Yes, I agree with you on the corrupting influence of gnosticism. But beware the danger of fleeing gnosticism's "matter is bad" teaching so far and fast that you end up dismissing spiritual things altogether. And after all, Jesus declared that "God is spirit" John 4:24.

I find the clearest single place to go in the Bible is Colossians 1, where Paul declares that Jesus' work is to reconcile all things – spiritual and physical – to himself

Far more people bury their heads in spiritual things than those who dismiss spiritual things. The modern form is commonly known as "escapism", everyone is constantly seeking the next dopamine hit, you just pick your own vice. Every addictive substance or behavior, some self help spiritual junk food with a Christian label included, is a medium to escape from reality. The shiny screen you're staring at right at this moment is sort of a portal to another realm. Sometimes even when the body is swamped in physical labor, the mind has drifted away to that spiritual realm just to make time go faster. That's why I'm far more concerned with the corrupting influence of gnosticism itself than the danger of fleeing from gnosticism.

 

[Twistie]

Indeed, I have a King.


I cited where the Bible instructs us to trust priests and judges, which is completely different than this:

Jeremiah 17:5 Thus says the Lord: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the Lord.



Indeed, God teaches His children and also has given His children the spiritual gift of teaching (Romans 12:6–8; 1 Corinthians 12:28; Ephesians 4:1–12). There would be no point in the gift of teaching if no one was supposed to trust them.


In Acts 2:46, they went to the temple every day, so does that mean that you shouldn't be like them? What's wrong with going to the temples in accordance with obeying what God has commanded?



Again God instructed His people to trust what men said, so it is not following what God said if you do not do that.


Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God's law, so he was much more zealous for obedience to it than they were.



In Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law, and in Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, so obedience to it is the way to worship God in spirit and in truth.

Yep n it's not following man

This is what the LORD says: "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD.

Stop regarding man in whose nostrils is breath, for of what account is he?

Put not your trust in princes, in a son of man, in whom there is no salvation.

If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

A pure and undefiled religion in YHs sight is to help the widows n the fatherless to visit the sick n those in prison

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight.Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and shun evil.

Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

Fact is we can't serve YH and Man yet many run to go n put their Trust in one man or another whenever the world calls them to...

Twistie

 

[Twistie]

Ezekiel 22:23-31
And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 24 Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation. 25 There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof. 26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them. 27 Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain. 28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken. 29 The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully. 30 And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none. 31 Therefore have I poured out mine indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath: their own way have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord GOD.

think this is not occurring on a MASSIVE scale TODAY??

...and the TRUTH will SOON become CLEAR.

DISCERNMENT is almost NONEXISTENT...

 

[Soyeong]

Yep n it's not following man

This is what the LORD says: "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD.

Stop regarding man in whose nostrils is breath, for of what account is he?

Put not your trust in princes, in a son of man, in whom there is no salvation.

If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

A pure and undefiled religion in YHs sight is to help the widows n the fatherless to visit the sick n those in prison

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight.Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and shun evil.

Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

Fact is we can't serve YH and Man yet many run to go n put their Trust in one man or another whenever the world calls them to...

Twistie

God said to trust in man, so you can't follow what God said by refusing to do that. Again, there is a huge difference between trusting in a man who is leading us to turn our hearts away from God and trusting in a man that is leading us to turn our hearts towards God.

 

[Twistie]

God said to trust in man, so you can't follow what God said by refusing to do that. Again, there is a huge difference between trusting in a man who is leading us to turn our hearts away from God and trusting in a man that is leading us to turn our hearts towards God.

Ok sure hope ya find the True Light

Twistie