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Self Love

stephen

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SELF LOVE



"...men shall be lovers of their own selves..."

So . . . what do you think Jesus would say to pop singer Madonna?

While former reporter and atheist, now assistant pastor at Willow Creek Community Church Lee Strobel admits he's "not pretending to have divine revelation from God on what Jesus would say," his book title, What Jesus Would Say, gives the impression he has a pretty good idea about what Jesus would say.

But, we have to wonder what Jesus he's talking about, because his Jesus sounds more like a pop-psych-pastor than God the Son. Strobel's Jesus identifies Madonna's problem as a self-esteem issue. Self-esteem? That's because it's easier to get someone to come to church if you identify one's problem as low self-esteem instead of sin.

And, contrary to what so many pastors-turned-pop-psychologist like Strobel would have you believe, the Bible says: "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves. . ." (2 Timothy 3:1,2).

The following is from [Drs. Martin and Deidre Bobgan's book] Prophets of PsychoHeresy II regarding self-hatred: "Now we are not saying that there are no individuals who genuinely think that they hate themselves. However, what they generally hate is something about themselves or their circumstances.
They exhibit actual love for themselves in that they continue to spend most of their time concerned about themselves, even if it is with unhappy thoughts. They generally get to the point where they are unhappy about themselves because a discrepancy exists between their aspirations or desires and their performance or condition. This intensive hate is evidence of high self-interest."

In his book Life in the Spirit, Martyn Lloyd-Jones says: "The real cause of failure, ultimately, in marriage is always self and the various manifestations of self.

Of course that is the cause of trouble everywhere and in every realm. Self and selfishness are the greatest disrupting forces in the world. All the major problems confronting the world, whether you look at the matter from the standpoint of nations and statesmen, or from the standpoint of industry and social conditions, or from any other standpoint-all these troubles ultimately come back to self, to 'my rights,' to 'what I want,' and to 'who is he?' or 'who is she?'

Self, with its horrid manifestations, always leads to trouble, because if two 'selfs' come into opposition there is bound to be a clash. Self always wants everything for it-self. That is true of my self, but it is equally true of your self. You at once have two autonomous powers, each deriving from self, and a clash is inevitable. Such clashes occur at every level, from two people right up to great communities and empires and nations."

Self-esteem teachings distort the Bible, reflect the world, and appeal to the natural man. The Bible teaches believers to esteem others better than self, to love one another as we already love ourselves, and to deny self daily.


From Psychoheresy Awareness Ministries: Self Love
 
Stephen: One question that I don't see addressed in your post is: In the book, what did Lee Stroebel say he believed Jesus would say to Madonna? It seems to me that finding out what Mr. Stroebel said he believes Jesus would say would tell folks like myself whether or not he is a pop-psych guy.

SLE
 
ah I was just enjoying all that, Stephen tell please?

I too thought Mr Lee Strobel was genuine I bought one of his books in fact a few years ago, about marraige, and ive listened to a CD of his speaking on the subject, but since Ive had difference of opinion.

I wouldnt buy any more of his books or for that much, even listen to him again.

I cant remember now what it was at the time spoke to me about him and his writings and speaking, but I just had a change of heart I suppose I could say.

There a quite a few out there in the 'book writing world' and Christian ones at that, that we must be very disearning about, but I think you can really pick up on wether or not these people are serving Christ in truth and in spirit, if not at first then later, the Lord will not let His own be fooled without making our spirit aware of it.


Nice being back bros and sis's.
 
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Stephen: One question that I don't see addressed in your post is: In the book, what did Lee Stroebel say he believed Jesus would say to Madonna? It seems to me that finding out what Mr. Stroebel said he believes Jesus would say would tell folks like myself whether or not he is a pop-psych guy.

SLE

I hear you dear Friend and appreciate what you say.

Since you post I have looked in vain for the answer not given to the question asked, in the book review.

And with Maureen also.

It would seem the answer can be found in buying his book.
 
I believe we should all have a balanced love of self. After all we are to love others as ourselves. If you don't love yourself then how can you love others?

MT 22:37 Jesus replied: " `Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: `Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Now the balanced bit I was suggesting is, that we should be selfless (like Christ) not selfish.

Here is scripture which helps to demonstrate what I am saying here:-

EPH 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church-- 30 for we are members of his body. 31 "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." 32 This is a profound mystery--but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
So there is a healthy love of self that enables us to love others.

Being self-centered and self-serving of course is not healthy or balanced self love the Bible is encouraging us to have.

Besides we know it is the enemy(the devil) who hates and we are to have the character of Christ who loves.
 
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