Seventh Day Adventism

[Chad]

What does Seventh Day Adventism teach?


Affirmations

• The Bible is inspired and the word of God.
• Trinitarian: The Father, Son, Holy Spirit are all one God in three persons.
• Jesus is God and has always existed with the Father.
• The Holy Spirit is a person.
• Jesus' sacrifice was vicarious.
• Salvation is by grace, not works.
• Jesus rose from the dead physically in his glorified body.
• Jesus ascended bodily into heaven.
• Baptism is by immersion
• The literal, visible return of Jesus.
• Jesus will return to set up a millennial kingdom. They are Premillennial.
• Literal six day creation, not long periods.

Denials

• Denies the doctrine of predestination
• Denies baptism by sprinkling
• Denies infant baptism.
• Denies the immortality of the soul.
• Denies the eternality of hell fire.
• Denies any use of alcohol (as a drink) or tobacco.

Aberrant

• Our sins will ultimately be placed on Satan.1
• Jesus is Michael the Archangel.
• Worship must be done on Saturday (the Sabbath).
• On October 22, 1844 Jesus entered the second and last phase of his atoning work.
• Investigative Judgment - the fate of all people will be decided based upon this event in the future.
• The dead do not exist anymore -- soul sleep.
• The wicked are annihilated.
• Ellen G. White, the "founder" of Seventh Day Adventism, was a messenger from God gifted with the spirit of prophecy.
• There is a sanctuary in heaven where Jesus carries out his mediatorial work.

This article is also available in: Español


Seventh-day Adventist Church

There are too many problems within Seventh-day Adventistism to recommend it as a safe church. Though there are Seventh-day Adventist groups that are within orthodoxy, there are too many of them that are not.

One of the problems with Seventh-day Adventism is Saturday worship. They are certainly free to worship on Saturday. That is not unbiblical. However, the problem is when any Seventh-day Adventist group asserts that the proper day of worship is Saturday, not Sunday. The early church practiced worship on Sunday and the scriptures mention the church gathering on Sunday, the same day Jesus rose:

• The Christians also heard a message from Paul on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).
  • Note: the reference is until midnight which is not the Jewish method of measuring days, but the Roman system.
• Paul instructed the churches to put aside contributions on the first day of the week (1 Cor. 16:2).

Furthermore, Romans 14:1-12 speaks of our freedom in Christ, particularly our freedom to worship on any day we choose.

CARM cannot recommend any church which would openly deny the biblical doctrine of predestination (in contradiction to Eph. 1:1-11), deny the doctrine of the immortality of the soul (in contradiction to Luke 16:19-31;Matt. 25:46), and deny eternal hellfire (in contradiction to Rev. 14:11). Nor can we recommend a church that affirms that Jesus is Michael the Archangel,1 and that the wicked are annihilated (in contradiction to Luke 16:19-31; Matt. 25:46).


article source: Seventh Day Adventism | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

 

[DHC]

What does Seventh Day Adventism teach?


Affirmations

• The Bible is inspired and the word of God.
• Trinitarian: The Father, Son, Holy Spirit are all one God in three persons.
• Jesus is God and has always existed with the Father.
• The Holy Spirit is a person.
• Jesus' sacrifice was vicarious.
• Salvation is by grace, not works.
• Jesus rose from the dead physically in his glorified body.
• Jesus ascended bodily into heaven.
• Baptism is by immersion
• The literal, visible return of Jesus.
• Jesus will return to set up a millennial kingdom. They are Premillennial.
• Literal six day creation, not long periods.

Denials

• Denies the doctrine of predestination
• Denies baptism by sprinkling
• Denies infant baptism.
• Denies the immortality of the soul.
• Denies the eternality of hell fire.
• Denies any use of alcohol (as a drink) or tobacco.

Aberrant

• Our sins will ultimately be placed on Satan.1
• Jesus is Michael the Archangel.
• Worship must be done on Saturday (the Sabbath).
• On October 22, 1844 Jesus entered the second and last phase of his atoning work.
• Investigative Judgment - the fate of all people will be decided based upon this event in the future.
• The dead do not exist anymore -- soul sleep.
• The wicked are annihilated.
• Ellen G. White, the "founder" of Seventh Day Adventism, was a messenger from God gifted with the spirit of prophecy.
• There is a sanctuary in heaven where Jesus carries out his mediatorial work.

This article is also available in: Español


Seventh-day Adventist Church

There are too many problems within Seventh-day Adventistism to recommend it as a safe church. Though there are Seventh-day Adventist groups that are within orthodoxy, there are too many of them that are not.

One of the problems with Seventh-day Adventism is Saturday worship. They are certainly free to worship on Saturday. That is not unbiblical. However, the problem is when any Seventh-day Adventist group asserts that the proper day of worship is Saturday, not Sunday. The early church practiced worship on Sunday and the scriptures mention the church gathering on Sunday, the same day Jesus rose:

• The Christians also heard a message from Paul on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).
  • Note: the reference is until midnight which is not the Jewish method of measuring days, but the Roman system.
• Paul instructed the churches to put aside contributions on the first day of the week (1 Cor. 16:2).

Furthermore, Romans 14:1-12 speaks of our freedom in Christ, particularly our freedom to worship on any day we choose.

CARM cannot recommend any church which would openly deny the biblical doctrine of predestination (in contradiction to Eph. 1:1-11), deny the doctrine of the immortality of the soul (in contradiction to Luke 16:19-31;Matt. 25:46), and deny eternal hellfire (in contradiction to Rev. 14:11). Nor can we recommend a church that affirms that Jesus is Michael the Archangel,1 and that the wicked are annihilated (in contradiction to Luke 16:19-31; Matt. 25:46).


article source: Seventh Day Adventism | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

At last some sanity prevails. Though your article was rather brief on the Seventh Day Adventists, Chad.
There is so much more to this sect than what their doctrines state. How come it took so long to act?
If you don't mind my asking.

 

[Chad]

At last some sanity prevails. Though your article was rather brief on the Seventh Day Adventists, Chad.
There is so much more to this sect than what their doctrines state. How come it took so long to act?
If you don't mind my asking.

Took so long to act? Was I obligated to expose all religions overnight by any means? Please think before you respond, seriously.

 

[DHC]

Took so long to act? Was I obligated to expose all religions overnight by any means? Please think before you respond, seriously.

Hello Chad.

Talk Jesus is a very good Christian forum, I commend you for the work you put into this site.
A marvelous site compared to the other Christian sites! Such liberty and freedom for so
many varied denominational viewpoints.

I have no problem with your administration at all. Only that the thread you appear to have
cancelled "were they right". Had been up and running for a considerable time, advertising
the doctrine of the sda. I found it surprising that the moderators or even yourself had not
acted at an earlier stage.

This is not a personal attack upon you Chad, please do not see my comments in that light.
Perhaps when there are so many insidious theologies, that you may not have time to be familiar
with them all.

I would not take your place Chad, you have considerable responsibility in guarding the true doctrine.
I apologize again if my comments are seen in a negative way.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

I have no problem with your administration at all. Only that the thread you appear to have
cancelled "were they right". Had been up and running for a considerable time, advertising
the doctrine of the sda. I found it surprising that the moderators or even yourself had not
acted at an earlier stage.

@DHC

I noticed on the thread 'were they right' that you had written 25 posts (in your previous user name) and 2 posts as DHC

Yet you had not reported the thread or any post despite your regular input to the thread.
Perhaps if you have concerns about an inappropriate thread you should use the report post facility.

 

[DHC]

@DHC

I noticed on the thread 'were they right' that you had written 25 posts (in your previous user name) and 2 posts as DHC

Yet you had not reported the thread or any post despite your regular input to the thread.
Perhaps if you have concerns about an inappropriate thread you should use the report post facility.

Hello Fragrant Grace.

I did in fact send a message regarding this thread to a moderator very early on. I was at that stage
not fully aware that a thread could be reported. I am aware now Fragrant Grace and will be ready
to use this facility should the need arise.

May I ask Fragrant Grace how you knew that I was using a different username?

 

[Chad]

Why do you have two accounts @DHC? One is enough.

 

[spirit1st]

Religions all use people to raise there religion ! But i do believe in going to church very much ! And as long as they preach Jesus Christ and His cross i think it ok 1 Because we do not follow religions or pastors or popes 1 We only follow our LORD JESUS!

There are No perfect churches on earth ! Only the unseen church we belong to is perfect and without spot !

Really , I think we should ask the LORD where He wants us to go ? He might want us in one of these not so good churches to bring Light into it ?

 

[DHC]

Why do you have two accounts @DHC? One is enough.

Hello Chad.

I forgot the password on the first username.

Also thought the first username was too long, DHC is much easier to type.

 

[brakelite]

What does Seventh Day Adventism teach?


Affirmations

• The Bible is inspired and the word of God.
• Trinitarian: The Father, Son, Holy Spirit are all one God in three persons.
• Jesus is God and has always existed with the Father.
• The Holy Spirit is a person.
• Jesus' sacrifice was vicarious.
• Salvation is by grace, not works.
• Jesus rose from the dead physically in his glorified body.
• Jesus ascended bodily into heaven.
• Baptism is by immersion
• The literal, visible return of Jesus.
• Jesus will return to set up a millennial kingdom. They are Premillennial.

Not quite right. Adventists believe there will be a millenial reign, yes, but not on the earth. Adventists are pre-millenial, yes, but at Jesus' second coming He takes His bride back to heaven for 1000 years at the end of which Jesus and all the saved return to earth along with the new Jerusalem and then the resurrection of the wicked who face their final judgment, after which there is a new heaven and a new earth created. Be happy to explain this more fully in a dedicated thread .

• Literal six day creation, not long periods.

Denials

• Denies the doctrine of predestination.

As strict Calvinism would have it, yes. But Adventists do recognise that God has indeed predestined a pathway or life plan for His children. But that one is predestined to be saved or lost? No way.

• Denies baptism by sprinkling

• Denies infant baptism.

Surely there can be no argument over this?

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• Denies the immortality of the soul.
• Denies the eternality of hell fire.

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Adventists deny the natural immortality of the soul. They do not deny the gift of immortality granted to those that accept Christ. Question: when is the gift of immortality given to non-believers that they may live forever in flames?

• Denies any use of alcohol (as a drink) or tobacco.

I do hope that a belief that good health is seen by God as a virtue is shared by not just Adventists!

Aberrant

• Our sins will ultimately be placed on Satan.1

Not quite as it seems. Is Satan not held finally accountable for the part he has played in tempting us to sin? For it is his responsilility in the sins of mankind, and limited only to that, that he is held accountable for. In no way is Satan held forth as some kind of sin-bearer in the same sense as Christ was our sin-bearer. Again, happy to explain more fully on a dedicated thread.

• Jesus is Michael the Archangel.

Yes, on evidence of scripture Adventists do believe that Jesus name in heaven before His first advent was Michael. This does not mean however that Adventists believe Jesus is an angel. No, simply the head of all the angels, as their only can be one 'arch' angel. Jesus, as the "Lord of Hosts", is the only leader of the angelic host. The president of the US is the leader of all the armed forces in the US is he not? This does not however mean he is in the military.

• Worship must be done on Saturday (the Sabbath).

There are enough threads on this topic without me adding anyhting here.

• On October 22, 1844 Jesus entered the second and last phase of his atoning work.
• Investigative Judgment - the fate of all people will be decided based upon this event in the future.

Actually, Adventists believe the judgement is taking place now. They believe when Jesus comes the decision who is to live with Him and who isn't has already been made by the time Jesus gets here. Even those who believe in the rapture must surely believe that yes?

• The dead do not exist anymore -- soul sleep.

Oh, they exist alright, after all the Bible is clear that there is yet to come a resurrection of the wicked, Jesus describing this Himself. But they do not exist now in any sense that they know what is going on or have any awareness of life. In other words, Adventist do not believe that the wicked are now in some 'hell' suffering today in anticipation of being found guilty in a 1000 years time. Common logic and decency and justice cannot allow for this. Yes, they are 'asleep'. Just as Lazarus was asleep and Jesus woke him up, and just as the Bible describes will happen at the second coming. "Those who are asleep in the earth shall awake....".

• The wicked are annihilated.

Israel believed this also as one would find when reading the OT.

• Ellen G. White, the "founder" of Seventh Day Adventism, was a messenger from God gifted with the spirit of prophecy.

I could comment but don't want to push whatever boundaries are set. I have been admonished by the admin for presenting adventist teaching so will refrain from commenting further on this. The other tolpics above however have been debated for centuries within Christendom, long before the SDA church came on the scene.

• There is a sanctuary in heaven where Jesus carries out his mediatorial work.

Aberrant? I thought everyone knew this!