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SEXUAL PURITY

Micaiah

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INTO EVERY CHRISTIAN life there comes a time of sacrifice, a difficult time of surrendering to God. For some, this comes when one has allowed his mind to become occupied by a thought that compromises his faith in some small way, to the point where its fulfillment is no longer mere fantasy but actual desire, his desires are no longer completely parallel to those of God; in some small and well-hidden ways, his wishes have actually gone in a totally opposite direction. It is usually very difficult to notice the change at all, except that the person's opinions in that area now differ from the Bible. Now, to that individual, the Bible appears in this regard to be legalistic, old-fashioned, impractical ...or just misinterpreted! To this person the Word of God must be spoken dogmatically and with no uncertainty. Unfortunately, while the surrendered Christian will rejoice in the telling of the Scriptures, the compromising Christian will see it as uneducated legalism. For this reason,

16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?
17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
II Cor. 2:16-17 The BIBLE

12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb. 3:12 The BIBLE

One area that perhaps more than most others is, in the Church the most subtle and widespread "sin unto death (I John 5:16)," is that of sexual impurity. It is a difficult subject to convince of sinfulness as it is, on the surface, sin not against others so much as against one's-self.

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
I Cor. 6:18 The BIBLE

It is sin not merely of the body but also of the mind and heart:

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Matt. 5:27-28 The BIBLE

And it is a sin that changes one's Theology. It so totally enwraps the individual in its pleasure and addiction that one so involved can have difficulty maintaining a Biblical belief on the subject. As God is love, and sex so often involves that, one can easily find ways to justify in his own mind the idea that what he is doing is not sinful after all - at least not in his situation! But as long as he hasn't persisted in his sin long enough to completely over-scar his conscience by it, he always has, deep within his spirit, the ever-present knowledge that he is not within God's will.

2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for My Name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev. 2:2-5 The BIBLE

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, brunet forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
James 1:14-16 The BIBLE

The surrendered Christian will generally not have to be commanded by God to do anything! His Christ-like actions will, as he lives his life by the Word and the Spirit of God, be a natural outflow of his life. a) By the Spirit of God we know that Christ dwells in us (His commitment to us) and it is only by Christ that we know, in our Spirit, the necessity of His keeping His commandments. b) But it is only by loving obedience to His commandments that we know that we dwell in Him (our commitment to Him).

24 And he that keepeth His commandments dwelleth in Him, and He in him. And hereby we know that He abideth in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us.
I John 3:24 The BIBLE

For this reason, to the sincere Christian the following need only be reminders:

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
I Cor. 6:9 The BIBLE

3 For this is God's will - your purity of life, that you abstain from fornication;
4 that each man among you shall know how to procure a wife who shall be his own in purity and honour;
5 that you be not overmastered by lustful cravings, like the Gentiles who have no knowledge of God;
6 and that in this matter there be no encroaching on the rights of a brother Christian and no overreaching him. For the Lord is an avenger in all such cases, as we have already taught you and solemnly warned you.
7 God has not called us to an unclean life, but to one of purity.
I Thes. 4:3-7 The BIBLE (Weymouth)

No circumstance is unique in God's eyes when it comes to purity glorifying to Him (God has seen and anticipated it all). There is no new nor unusual situation justifying sin: all pre- or extra-marital sex is sin, no matter how secret or subtle!

9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecc. 1:9 The BIBLE

So then, exactly what sex is pleasing to God?

6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Mk. 10:6-9 The BIBLE

4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Heb. 13:4 The BIBLE

Yes, sex is glorifying to God, and honourable! It is a great gift of God, and as I Thessalonians, above, explains, intended by God to be enjoyed potentially by all! But it is "undefiled" only as God designed it (in official marriage)! Marriage is established in God's eyes by the act of sexual intercourse, (Matt. 19:5-6). The wedding ceremony is necessary, however, to a) seal one's oath of life-long faithfulness to one's partner and to b) witness that to the world. The oath is indeed made to both partner and world (and is thus similar to baptism), and to act outside of that oath and witness is to break it, and to offend both. Nor is it at all acceptable to precede marriage with sex with one's fiancé: the act of marrying after sex is itself a witness as to how wrong is premarital sex, as one is thus stating that marriage, that witness of oath of faithfulness, is in fact unnecessary.

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
I Cor. 6:18-20 The BIBLE

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deu. 6:5 The BIBLE

13 And ye shall seek Me, and find Me, when ye shall search for Me with all your heart.
Jer. 29:13 The BIBLE

Central to the gospel of Christ is a heart that is centered on the Father, and one that is diligently seeking after Him "...with the whole heart:"

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal. 5:16-17 The BIBLE

18 A zealous, heartfelt pursuit of God will ensure that the Christian will escape the lusts of the flesh.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal. 5:18,19 The BIBLE

To take one's eyes off Christ enables the heart to start making compromises. Because the body isn't sinning we convince ourselves that we are in God's will.

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Matt. 5:27-28 The BIBLE

The sincere Christian will ask, however, not, "How close can I get to sin without sinning," but, "How far can I get from sin?" (This doesn't need to be said; any Christian will know this!) With this recognition, it is readily obvious that sin consists even of the contemplation of photographs, art, jokes, or stories that would entice one to fantasize or even consider or imagine sex with anyone other than one's spouse.

37 Turn away mine eyes from beholding vanity; and quicken Thou me in Thy way.
Psa. 119:37 The BIBLE

13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
I Pet. 1:13 The BIBLE

Sex cannot even be contemplated with anyone but one's spouse, whether that person is fictitious or real, as one's heart must be centered on God and, as Christ said, one's desires only on one's spouse. God wishes the heart's purity, not merely the body's, as it is the sinful nature, more than the sin, that condemns us to hell. God therefore calls upon his children to repent. And not only to repent, but to renounce all desire to commit fornication, and to cleanse himself even of pleasure in the memory of it. It is a change of heart that God calls for. One must come to the point, with the enabling of God, of now hating the sin, something impossible for fleshly man, but quite possible for the man of the Spirit, empowered by God.

2 Blessed are they that keep His testimonies, and that seek Him with the whole heart.

10 With my whole heart have I sought Thee: O let me not wander from Thy commandments.
Psa. 119:2, 10 The BIBLE

12 And she caught him (Joseph) by his garment, saying, Lie with me: and he left his garment in her hand, and fled, and got him out.
Gen. 39:12 The BIBLE

7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 4:7 The BIBLE

13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, Who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
I Cor. 10:13 The BIBLE

9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
II Pet. 2:9 The BIBLE

19 ...Be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rev. 3:19 The BIBLE
 
"INTO EVERY CHRISTIAN life there comes a time of sacrifice, a difficult time of surrendering to God."
As a human being how do you define what it means to surrender to God? I can see you answering this for yourself, but to place a standard on other human beings, would mean you share a collective consciousness with God. It would be the only way for you personally to tell us what a true surrender is.

"The surrendered Christian will generally not have to be commanded by God to do anything."
That means a human being would be equal to God and we all know that’s impossible because of law of physics God has created in the universe, particularly in the law of authority and hierarchy. No human is being perfect. At what point does any single human being judge another human being that one no longer lives his life by the Word of God and be a natural outflow of his life. If a human being ever acquired perfection his or her flesh disintegrates, its matter returning back into the universe. You will never ever be able to keep God’s commandments, 100%. Won’t happen. But all this rhetoric is written with the expectation of 100% obedience. Does God ever get 100% from you?

The wedding ceremony is necessary.
Says who? Another imperfect human being.

A man and woman fall in love. The have intimate relations. The live together. Through the years of their relationship, they have children and raised their children. After decades of life, they die. He and she stand before God. God says, “Just a second. I need to check the county clerk’s office and ensure you acquired marriage license and that gnostic a holy man administered the rite of passage. Well, I just checked. You didn’t acquire a license. Jump ye into the lake fire for I never you knew you.”

Congratulations! You, a human being, just condemn a huge segment of North American population and probably the world.

Or would God look the man and woman like this.
I know your hearts. You loved each other through the decades of your life. I gave you children and you raised them. You have made mistakes along the way in your relationship but you both remained true to each other in the end. The demonstration of your life together was your life long oath. Therefore, I will not condemn you for charges of fornication. Your relationship was pure. Great work!

Did you know that United States government created the marriage license back in the 1940’s as way to prevent interracial marriage? It was a way to monitor who married who and keep metrics on people. But in today’s world, its just a way to nickel and dime people and add the money to the balance for a woman’s right to choose.

To take one's eyes off Christ enables the heart to start making compromises.
I guess you have a collective consciousness with God. You are equal to him and know all that he knows. That’s quite a privilege for a human being to judge the heart of another human being with such precision and accuracy.

Here’s a good one:
3 For this is God's will - your purity of life, that you abstain from fornication;
4 that each man among you shall know how to procure a wife who shall be his own in purity and honor;

How does a man know how to procure a wife?
There’s no such thing as a righteous woman. The woman of proverbs 31, the description is true, but this kind of woman is extinct. Tens of millions of good men swore an oath to Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) because they did right thing and learned that women’s (his wife) sexuality is fluid and that fluidity destroyed his emotional investment and robbed of him time he’d never get back (his marriage to her).

Look inside any big church and look into the singles class. What do you see? Nothing but single mothers!
Next Sunday whilst sitting in the pew, whilst the gnostic man gives his opinion connected to God’s collective consciousness, look at all illusions of marriages of the duped men who puts his arm around his wife whilst she wants to have sex with the rich higher status preacher, all because his wife has him and not her. Or she’s thinking about the last coworker she was intimate with and loathing her husband because he’s a good man.

What if you were to rewrite all this and tell us, this is what I think it means to surrender. This is my opinion. This what I think the word of God means to me and my thoughts may not match yours. This is what it means to me based on my subjective experience with God. All of us are different and God deals with us where we are at, differences in experience and implementation might just vary.

My fellow equal human being think about that.
 
INTO EVERY CHRISTIAN life there comes a time of sacrifice, a difficult time of surrendering to God. For some, this comes when one has allowed his mind to become occupied by a thought that compromises his faith in some small way, to the point where its fulfillment is no longer mere fantasy but actual desire, his desires are no longer completely parallel to those of God; in some small and well-hidden ways, his wishes have actually gone in a totally opposite direction. It is usually very difficult to notice the change at all, except that the person's opinions in that area now differ from the Bible. Now, to that individual, the Bible appears in this regard to be legalistic, old-fashioned, impractical ...or just misinterpreted! To this person the Word of God must be spoken dogmatically and with no uncertainty. Unfortunately, while the surrendered Christian will rejoice in the telling of the Scriptures, the compromising Christian will see it as uneducated legalism. For this reason,

16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?
17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
II Cor. 2:16-17 The BIBLE

12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb. 3:12 The BIBLE

One area that perhaps more than most others is, in the Church the most subtle and widespread "sin unto death (I John 5:16)," is that of sexual impurity. It is a difficult subject to convince of sinfulness as it is, on the surface, sin not against others so much as against one's-self.

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
I Cor. 6:18 The BIBLE

It is sin not merely of the body but also of the mind and heart:

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Matt. 5:27-28 The BIBLE

And it is a sin that changes one's Theology. It so totally enwraps the individual in its pleasure and addiction that one so involved can have difficulty maintaining a Biblical belief on the subject. As God is love, and sex so often involves that, one can easily find ways to justify in his own mind the idea that what he is doing is not sinful after all - at least not in his situation! But as long as he hasn't persisted in his sin long enough to completely over-scar his conscience by it, he always has, deep within his spirit, the ever-present knowledge that he is not within God's will.

2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for My Name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev. 2:2-5 The BIBLE

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, brunet forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
James 1:14-16 The BIBLE

The surrendered Christian will generally not have to be commanded by God to do anything! His Christ-like actions will, as he lives his life by the Word and the Spirit of God, be a natural outflow of his life. a) By the Spirit of God we know that Christ dwells in us (His commitment to us) and it is only by Christ that we know, in our Spirit, the necessity of His keeping His commandments. b) But it is only by loving obedience to His commandments that we know that we dwell in Him (our commitment to Him).

24 And he that keepeth His commandments dwelleth in Him, and He in him. And hereby we know that He abideth in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us.
I John 3:24 The BIBLE

For this reason, to the sincere Christian the following need only be reminders:

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
I Cor. 6:9 The BIBLE

3 For this is God's will - your purity of life, that you abstain from fornication;
4 that each man among you shall know how to procure a wife who shall be his own in purity and honour;
5 that you be not overmastered by lustful cravings, like the Gentiles who have no knowledge of God;
6 and that in this matter there be no encroaching on the rights of a brother Christian and no overreaching him. For the Lord is an avenger in all such cases, as we have already taught you and solemnly warned you.
7 God has not called us to an unclean life, but to one of purity.
I Thes. 4:3-7 The BIBLE (Weymouth)

No circumstance is unique in God's eyes when it comes to purity glorifying to Him (God has seen and anticipated it all). There is no new nor unusual situation justifying sin: all pre- or extra-marital sex is sin, no matter how secret or subtle!

9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecc. 1:9 The BIBLE

So then, exactly what sex is pleasing to God?

6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Mk. 10:6-9 The BIBLE

4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Heb. 13:4 The BIBLE

Yes, sex is glorifying to God, and honourable! It is a great gift of God, and as I Thessalonians, above, explains, intended by God to be enjoyed potentially by all! But it is "undefiled" only as God designed it (in official marriage)! Marriage is established in God's eyes by the act of sexual intercourse, (Matt. 19:5-6). The wedding ceremony is necessary, however, to a) seal one's oath of life-long faithfulness to one's partner and to b) witness that to the world. The oath is indeed made to both partner and world (and is thus similar to baptism), and to act outside of that oath and witness is to break it, and to offend both. Nor is it at all acceptable to precede marriage with sex with one's fiancé: the act of marrying after sex is itself a witness as to how wrong is premarital sex, as one is thus stating that marriage, that witness of oath of faithfulness, is in fact unnecessary.

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
I Cor. 6:18-20 The BIBLE

5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deu. 6:5 The BIBLE

13 And ye shall seek Me, and find Me, when ye shall search for Me with all your heart.
Jer. 29:13 The BIBLE

Central to the gospel of Christ is a heart that is centered on the Father, and one that is diligently seeking after Him "...with the whole heart:"

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal. 5:16-17 The BIBLE

18 A zealous, heartfelt pursuit of God will ensure that the Christian will escape the lusts of the flesh.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal. 5:18,19 The BIBLE

To take one's eyes off Christ enables the heart to start making compromises. Because the body isn't sinning we convince ourselves that we are in God's will.

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Matt. 5:27-28 The BIBLE

The sincere Christian will ask, however, not, "How close can I get to sin without sinning," but, "How far can I get from sin?" (This doesn't need to be said; any Christian will know this!) With this recognition, it is readily obvious that sin consists even of the contemplation of photographs, art, jokes, or stories that would entice one to fantasize or even consider or imagine sex with anyone other than one's spouse.

37 Turn away mine eyes from beholding vanity; and quicken Thou me in Thy way.
Psa. 119:37 The BIBLE

13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
I Pet. 1:13 The BIBLE

Sex cannot even be contemplated with anyone but one's spouse, whether that person is fictitious or real, as one's heart must be centered on God and, as Christ said, one's desires only on one's spouse. God wishes the heart's purity, not merely the body's, as it is the sinful nature, more than the sin, that condemns us to hell. God therefore calls upon his children to repent. And not only to repent, but to renounce all desire to commit fornication, and to cleanse himself even of pleasure in the memory of it. It is a change of heart that God calls for. One must come to the point, with the enabling of God, of now hating the sin, something impossible for fleshly man, but quite possible for the man of the Spirit, empowered by God.

2 Blessed are they that keep His testimonies, and that seek Him with the whole heart.

10 With my whole heart have I sought Thee: O let me not wander from Thy commandments.
Psa. 119:2, 10 The BIBLE

12 And she caught him (Joseph) by his garment, saying, Lie with me: and he left his garment in her hand, and fled, and got him out.
Gen. 39:12 The BIBLE

7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 4:7 The BIBLE

13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, Who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
I Cor. 10:13 The BIBLE

9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
II Pet. 2:9 The BIBLE

19 ...Be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rev. 3:19 The BIBLE
Thank you sir. Needed all of that.
 
What if you were to rewrite all this and tell us, this is what I think it means to surrender. This is my opinion. This what I think the word of God means to me and my thoughts may not match yours. This is what it means to me based on my subjective experience with God. All of us are different and God deals with us where we are at, differences in experience and implementation might just vary.
@Micaiah has every right to express his position on the subject of sexual purity and the sins of fornication, etc.
I am not offended nor challenged by what has been posted. I am in full agreement with the teachings of scripture.
As for yourself you have the right to post your own thread on whatever doctrine you want to promote. You do not believe in sexual/moral purity, no worries, go start your own thread.
Actually after reading your post a couple of times I am scratching my head wondering what exactly you are getting at - seems to me you believe that because people are sinful and corrupt then they are excused from measuring
up to the standards of righteous behaviour outlined in scripture.
Congratulations! You, a human being, just condemn a huge segment of North American population and probably the world.
NO the scriptures condemn all who do not examine themselves against scripture and submit unto obedience.
 
Matthew 19:
10 The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry.”
11 But [Jesus] said to them, “Not all men can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. 12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men,
and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this, let him receive it.”

Been a widower and never remarried for 26 years now -
1Cor 7:8 To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I do.
 
Matthew 19:
10 The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry.”
11 But [Jesus] said to them, “Not all men can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. 12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men,
and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to receive this, let him receive it.”

Been a widower and never remarried for 26 years now -
1Cor 7:8 To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I do.
I can't begin to imagine what that is like.

I am on deployment, and am waiting patiently to be reunited with my wife, Pepper. This separation has certainly caused my heart to grow for her. Thank you Lord, comfort us while we are apart, if you will it so, that we be joined together again, soon.
 
To add a thought -- we Are to obey the laws of the land. So-- a marriage lisence is applied for and gotten to make that marriage legal. And the ceremony that unites the man and woman together in front of friends / family is Very important.
Commitment Used to be important to people. It Still is.

Going from one 'serious' relationship to another - well - emotional consequences / physical diseases as a result.

Many years ago I did a research paper while in college on this subject. Found that people are in better health with long-term marriages. And, yes, Marriages, not just moving in together. Cause people can move back out lots easier. No emotional security for the woman and for any children that are born.

And, yes, Society Does have a tendency to laugh at 'sexual purity' -- I mean, who Really remains sexually pure until marriage. So, Then, the question gets asked -- what is marriage Based on? How good a person is in Bed? That really cheapens the relationship. And it cheapens a person's self-respect. Are we actually trying to 'make' 'love' or Showing our love for the other person. Are we mistaking lust for love?

A person Can remain sexually pure and still show love to another person. We do it all the time. In fact, we 'show' our love for ice cream by Eating it.

We 'love' our husband or wife differently than we do our doggy, or Grandmother or fishing. The only relationship that should include sexual intimacy is that of husband and wife. And That is Biblical. And That is what we Should be following.
 
The wedding ceremony is necessary.
Says who? Another imperfect human being.
God and the Law require marriage
in fact peoples of the entire world whether hunter gatherers or barbarians or civilized have marriage as a religious ceremony

Matthew 19:3 And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?”
19:4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female,
19:5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
19:6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
19:7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?”
19:8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
19:9 And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”

There you have it - and it is on this the Word of God that all shall be judged.
Some people have a problem with judgement.
 
I am on deployment, and am waiting patiently to be reunited with my wife, Pepper. This separation has certainly caused my heart to grow for her. Thank you Lord, comfort us while we are apart, if you will it so, that we be joined together again, soon.
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Hey I am not sharing the bed with another human!!
 
@Downunder -- you said you're on deployment -- assuming you're referring to military. Your bio info says you're 56? Why would you be on a deployment? Just curious.
 
@Downunder -- you said you're on deployment -- assuming you're referring to military. Your bio info says you're 56? Why would you be on a deployment? Just curious.
No Sue not me - @Mister is the one on deployment waiting to get home to his wife.
As for me I am older in years, as in public forums where others can get access to my birthday details I fudge the year of birth (ID theft and all that)
Yes I have been a widower and alone for some 26 years now.
 
When did congress pass a law about getting married. According to the that law what is the penalty for not obeying that law?

I so wish the Church would sperate its self from the state. Been married for 57 years i am still married because of God's Word the state would have granted me a divorce if i had asked.
 
No Sue not me - @Mister is the one on deployment waiting to get home to his wife.
As for me I am older in years, as in public forums where others can get access to my birthday details I fudge the year of birth (ID theft and all that)
Yes I have been a widower and alone for some 26 years now.


Oops -- you're right -- looking back at the post -- got the two of you mixed up. (I'm only on 2 1/2 yrs. after 46 yrs. Lots of adjustments)
 
I can't begin to imagine what that is like.

I am on deployment, and am waiting patiently to be reunited with my wife, Pepper. This separation has certainly caused my heart to grow for her. Thank you Lord, comfort us while we are apart, if you will it so, that we be joined together again, soon.
It begins with Fearing:joy: And that fearing is of the LORD. for the beginning of wisdom is Fearing the LORD! When that WORD is Engraved in your Mind and Heart, and a few Long straps across your back, I don't care how pretty she is, That Testosterone is going to be use by your feet! Flee! It is not worth it, love you today and God will have her Crucify you tomorrow:eyes: God controls the hearts of mankind. Put not, your LORD God, to the test. You cannot win! "Child of God" you cannot win! And "Child of GOD " this is why.

American Standard Version
"But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world." You will arrive to Purity The "True Child of GOD", fake ones do what ever they want too. They don't fear HIM, why because they think they know Him but they don't. And they will always quote: "there is no fear in love". And this is their quote:
English Standard Version
"There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love."
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But when you tread these waters: pay attention.
2 Samuel 7:14
"I will be his Father, and he will be My son. When he does wrong, I will discipline him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men."

Don't let those "christians" trick you out there! Your Father will Tear your "arsenal" up! he will tell that devil to do everything to you but kill you!:eyes: And when he gets through with you, you will stay on the porch:eyes: "Fiancee"or Fiance" my foot. You better buy you a dog if get lonely!:joy:

"But if you have a wife. Love her completely until Jesus Call you home."
 
No Sue not me - @Mister is the one on deployment waiting to get home to his wife.
As for me I am older in years, as in public forums where others can get access to my birthday details I fudge the year of birth (ID theft and all that)
Yes I have been a widower and alone for some 26 years now.
Many people are in their 50's are on deployment. I know since The Gulf wars began, I know a few. Especially Doctors, National Guard, and Reservists. I don't know the order. But my Brother-in law, he was a Sergeant Marine Corp, 53 years old and went to the "Middle East", i know he was a Reservists at that time. But i still do not know the order of things.
 
When did congress pass a law about getting married. According to the that law what is the penalty for not obeying that law?

I so wish the Church would sperate its self from the state. Been married for 57 years i am still married because of God's Word the state would have granted me a divorce if i had asked.


Here in the U.S.A -- marriage license has been required to be married legally for 'forever'. Not obeying that law is not being able to get married legally. Many years ago a guy at church was planning to get married to a lady from church. As a result of applying for the license or whatever a person does to get one, he discovered that he was already married. Come to find out --he Had been married Years before and had filed for divorce, but his wife had never signed the papers. Therefore they were still legally married. She refused to sign the papers and that prevented him from being able to get married all those years later.

Well -- people are supposed to obey the laws set in place. Just the way it is.
 
Two people getting married and "SEXUAL PURITY" are two completely different items on the table. You can be married, license by a country or state, and "Sexual Purity" can no where be found between the two. Marriages and License does not make a wedding a union of "Sexual Purity", it might be legally and at the same time not a "ounce" of "Sexual Purity" with in it's night time sheets, FOR THERE might be many partners within those sheets, in mind and bodies, and they are alive and well! Between those who assume that they are engaging in "Holy Matrimony". Know only to this "Couple" a Covenant relationship between the TWO, a Realtionship between this two that no one would every know but GOD himself to death do them part!

So I do think the creator of this thread is In relating to the discussion of "Sexual Purity". and not the law of the land or the law in the country you live in.
Just because you are married does not mean you are "Sexual Pure"! You still can be Polluted in mind, body and Spirit. Just like being "baptize' dunk in the River, you went a dry devil, and came out a wet one.. "It is a narrow road and ain't many on it":p And it is not funny, The Truth hurt! It will make a grown man cry.:confused:

Shalow.
 
Michigan is a no fault state, you file today you divorce tomorrow! depends on the age of your children, reason for divorce "non compatible" then it is a done deal. you do not have to say he or she cheated on me. Just we are non-compatible. a few days then you are divorce, 50/50 sometimes 50/60 shared inheritance. Male or female, "equal rights" everything spilt down the middle. retirements, bank accounts, and you better not hide no assets either, and when the courts find out you have hidden something 60/50, male or female. You better not had plan to move out of state to avoid such judgement, We got computers, Hide money if you want too!:eyes: It is the law!

In Michigan, you may be relieved to know, the short answer is “no.” If one spouse wants a divorce, the other spouse cannot prevent it. If your spouse refuses to participate in the process, your divorce can be finalized within a matter of months.Jun 27, 2018:eyes:

The courts will decide not your lawyers. 50/50. It is a Felony to commit Adultery in Michigan. and you better not have a girlfriend or boyfriend while you are separated and waiting on a divorce, you will be made a example. Male or female. "Equal Rights" and women do pay Alimony and child support.:eyes: Homie don't play that "femininity" in Michigan. And if you slap your husband, they will lock you up! Quick! These women in Michigan, will knock you up beside, of your head in minute. They will Run you out of your own house! Hit you with their fist! kick you too! They been taking up kick boxing, 60 year old women, here taking up "Karate" talking about they got a "Black Belt"!.
If you cannot take a punch, don't marry one of these, white, black, Asia, and Arabs. Jews, And you cannot hit them back, They will throw the keys away. But they will let they come back home in few days after you have healed up. LOL! They will ask her why did you jump on him, her reply, he wasn't listening to me.

There are neither male or female in Christ "Jesus".s
 
"The surrendered Christian will generally not have to be commanded by God to do anything."
That means a human being would be equal to God and we all know that’s impossible because of law of physics
That is a rather strange interpretation of what @Micaiah posted - he is correct about the law of liberty and the grace that governs the New Covenant
for the surrendered Christian voluntarily submits and obeys out of love for God and his righteousness
look here is a prophecy concerning this in Psalm 40
6 Sacrifice and offering you do not desire, but you have given me an open ear.
Burnt offering and sin offering you have not required.
7 Then I said, “Here I am; in the scroll of the book it is written of me.
8 I delight to do your will, O my God; your law is within my heart.”
 
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