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Shocking Results Concerning the Worldview of Christian Pastors

Christ4Ever

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Hello @Christ4Ever,

Interesting. It would be good to know what questions were asked to determine which worldview each one questioned came into: and what a Biblical worldview comprises?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
In my life I've been to 7 churches (I think.)
The last one was I felt was my first home church. 6 years of my life. At one point the pastor was preaching AND teaching. Giving facts and evidence to support God and what you read in the Bible.
God called me to volunteer for a time and it ran a food bank shortly after I started going. For me and others doing it wasn't a job. It was work but it was good/fun work.
That "pastor" fell and fell hard. When people say most or 99% of the Christian leaders are either fake Christians or are not good leaders (on purpose) they are correct.
 
In my life I've been to 7 churches (I think.)
The last one was I felt was my first home church. 6 years of my life. At one point the pastor was preaching AND teaching. Giving facts and evidence to support God and what you read in the Bible.
God called me to volunteer for a time and it ran a food bank shortly after I started going. For me and others doing it wasn't a job. It was work but it was good/fun work.
That "pastor" fell and fell hard. When people say most or 99% of the Christian leaders are either fake Christians or are not good leaders (on purpose) they are correct.
'Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect,
go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor,
and thou shalt have treasure in heaven:
and come and follow me.
But when the young man heard that saying,
he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Then said Jesus unto His disciples,
"Verily I say unto you,
That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven."
"And again I say unto you,
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle,
than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.'

Hello @MedicoBravo,

'The eye of a needle' is a small door fixed in a gate, and opened after dark: To pass through the camel must be unloaded. Hence the difficulty of the rich man (v.23), he must be unloaded, hence the proverb, common in the East. Why am I saying this? Because it is no good looking at others. It is a narrow way, and each one of us has to enter into it individually. We come to God as individuals, through the means He has provided, which is through faith in the atoning work of His Beloved Son.

' ... ... let us lay aside every weight,
and the sin which doth so easily beset us,
and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Looking unto Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith;
Who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross,
despising the shame,
and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.'
(Heb 12:1)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Dear Sister, @complete
I had those same thoughts. The best I could find was a pdf on the methodology used, which in truth didn't provide the questions either. :(
In case you're interested.

With the love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Hello @Christ4Ever,

No it does not provide the questions; but it does say certain things that are indicative of where they are coming from (quote):-

Definitions of Categories of “Christian”
Self-identified Christians: - Individuals who call themselves “Christians.”
Self-identified born-again Christians: - Individuals who call themselves “born-again Christians.”
Self-identified evangelical Christians:- Individuals who call themselves “evangelical Christians.”
Theologically born-again Christians:- “Theological born-again Christians” are those who say that when they die, they will go to Heaven,
but only because they have confessed their sins and accepted Jesus Christ as their savior.
Integrated Disciples:- Individuals who have a demonstrated ability to assimilate their beliefs into their lifestyle; this group consistently
- albeit imperfectly - comes closest to reflecting biblical principles into their opinions, beliefs, behaviors, and preferences.
??? :confused:

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Should not be surprising, but for some reason, it really hits hard when you see the numbers.
The ones that really hit home, are in the area of Childrens/Youth Pastors, because they're supposed to be helping parents in setting the foundation of their children moving forward in life.


With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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PERSONALLY, I've been a member in good standing of the Assemblies of God for going on 59 years, with sojourns into 4 different Baptist churches, three different Methodist churches, United church of Christ, Campbellite Church of Christ, and various Charismatic bodies.

And I'VE NEVER YET run into a Pastor who DIDN'T HAVE a Biblical world view, or who was a "Ringer".

You, and the guy that wrote the article, must travel in different circles -
 
In my life I've been to 7 churches (I think.)
The last one was I felt was my first home church. 6 years of my life. At one point the pastor was preaching AND teaching. Giving facts and evidence to support God and what you read in the Bible.
God called me to volunteer for a time and it ran a food bank shortly after I started going. For me and others doing it wasn't a job. It was work but it was good/fun work.
That "pastor" fell and fell hard. When people say most or 99% of the Christian leaders are either fake Christians or are not good leaders (on purpose) they are correct.
Dear Brother,
All churches are made up of imperfect sinners, who are seeking to know our God better, and hopefully the Sheperd of that flock has first the calling for it, and more importantly is trusting in listening to God to follow the guidance he is being provided (His Word) even when it doesn't appear to be making sense. Following the Word of God is not easy, and when the church begins to prosper, it becomes even harder! I wonder how much praying for coverage, protection, health, guidance, for him, his family, as well as each other was actually going on in the church you last attended. Too often they are placed upon a pedestal marked "Can't do no wrong", which is sadly wrong. They probably need even more prayer than the average attendee does, not that we all don't need it!

I've found it's easier to volunteer some time in helping with this ministry or that one, but prayer time seems to be the more difficult of the two to actually put into practice and to make a habit of with heart felt words attached to them. Instead of just the rambling of words, like our Lord said "And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen [do]. For they think that they will be heard for their many words." (Matthew 6:7 NKJV). I know the difficulty of it, myself. The intrusions that come upon one's mind as we settle to commune with our God, isn't always easy to do. Yet, it is something we should do for each part of the Body of Christ "Pray in the Spirit at all times and on every occasion. Stay alert and be persistent in your prayers for all believers everywhere (Ephesians 6:18 NLT).

Maybe, if we looked at going to church as being more of going to a battle HQ's where we go to rearm, get our orders, reassert our commitment going forward, united in prayer, covered in prayer, the enemy might not infiltrate so easily.

Anyway, thanks for sharing, though I truly hope that you are wrong in how high the percentage is in the leadership out there.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Hello @Christ4Ever,

No it does not provide the questions; but it does say certain things that are indicative of where they are coming from (quote):-

Definitions of Categories of “Christian”
Self-identified Christians: - Individuals who call themselves “Christians.”
Self-identified born-again Christians: - Individuals who call themselves “born-again Christians.”
Self-identified evangelical Christians:- Individuals who call themselves “evangelical Christians.”
Theologically born-again Christians:- “Theological born-again Christians” are those who say that when they die, they will go to Heaven,
but only because they have confessed their sins and accepted Jesus Christ as their savior.
Integrated Disciples:- Individuals who have a demonstrated ability to assimilate their beliefs into their lifestyle; this group consistently
- albeit imperfectly - comes closest to reflecting biblical principles into their opinions, beliefs, behaviors, and preferences.
??? :confused:

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Dear Sister,
Thanks for the laugh at the end, I needed it! :)
It does make one wonder though!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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@complete
I keep a list of ALL who have fallen and never course corrected their lives. That list includes those who are clearly false Teachers and know they aren't teaching scripture. People like that who are going to Hell will gladly lead many on their way.
 
@Christ4Ever
I wish I were wrong. I can assure you that % is very high and given a Margin of Error that is very small.
The internet is a great thing as you can learn a lot about a person by what they say and do in a video.
There's a Youtube channel (can't remember ATM) that addresses such people and their wrong doings.
One might think that's not a lot of churches given how few I've visited and at one point attended for a long time that my conclusion is highly flawed.
I nor anyone else has to attend a high number of churches to come to such a conclusion. B/c of how soft and weak most church leaders and many Christians have become b/c of FEAR of the world and those who reject God they've made their own subjective versions of Him and the Bible.
There's a "Queen Jane Bible" out there for sale which depicts God as female, being LGB or T+ is ok and "Natural" along with other sins. "God made them that way." nonsense.
Too many churches value their Tax-Exempt status so they shut up and turn their churches into, in effect country clubs.
More money in "flashy lights, big screen TVs, graphics, a "live" band, and so on when the money could be used to help the needy and poor in their community. If a church has to use giveaways or such things like free coffee and donuts to "draw people" to God then it's not a good church.
 
Dear Brother, @MedicBravo

In many respects it's a glass half empty, half full scenario.
It's the question that I've always wondered on and still can only say that God's Will, will be done. Not in the Calvinist way, but in the knowledge that none of can say for a surety, whether another is Saved or not. Oh, we can presume to guess by the lives they live, what they say, but until that last breath, does any of us can say, yay or nay for a certainty? And that's not the question I wonder about, but rather if we hear as we do many a preacher that is heretical, are those who receive Jesus Christ by their preaching, be any less Saved in Jesus?

While those leaders are left to as our Lord said, "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' (Matthew 7:23 NKJV).

Maybe, the Holy Spirit will draw them eventually away from such places, towards ones that are faithful disciples, and that adhere to Scripture in their teaching, preaching, and even bring others along with them. Only God can say. Though I hope this to be the case, so that if few leaders there be, that those others are left to Matthew 7:23, and that as Paul said we might be in all things to all people, that some might be saved.

For though I am free from all [men], I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those [who are] under the law, as under the law, that I might win those [who are] under the law; to those [who are] without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those [who are] without law; to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all [men], that I might by all means save some. 1 Corinthians 9:19-22 NKJV

I see the failures, out there as you do brother. The corruption of Scripture, to accommodate those who live against the very tenets found therein. Not surprising, but we fight on, not with a hopelessness of no change, but in and with the Hope that is Jesus Christ, and as Paul said "...save some". "But thanks [be] to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Corinthians 15:57 NKJV).

If we need to go to the very churches that say they know Him, but don't, in order to save some, if we find ourselves in such places. Do we stay quiet, or leave it to others to speak up, instead seeking what grants us comfort? Better to stay, and help rebuild, reenforce the shaky foundation on sturdier soil, then to leave them to their own devices, and be but another example of Christian failure, instead of one that can show atonement for sin that we all need and is found in the Victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!

Again, I guess it's a glass half empty, half full decision that we all must make.

With the Love of Christ Jesus dear brother.
YBIC
Nick
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Almost anyone can learn to be tact with their words and when speaking to any group of people.
Humanity's biggest question is "Why?" and most of all pertaining to self.
To understand anything you have to find the origins of it.
I recently watched a video from an astrology/space expert who admitted that the "Big Bang" wasn't a bang at all. What Hollywood would have you believe it was some cosmic, violent explosion. If anyone should be curious about where it all started, God Immanuel has the most and best evidence. All the rest have very little to no evidence.
From that the story of Us in part is told through the Bible and all the evidence that is found on a regular basis.
If you want to get more people's attention you can take an unbiased POV. "Cold Case Christianity" is one such place. The "science" they whine about being a secondary also proves it.
I know it is a problem when so many can NOT look at anything from an unbiased lens.
 
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