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Solemn Assemblies & Holy Convocations

Ivar

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Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Ecc 1:10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

Isa 1:12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

Isa 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

Isa 1:14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

Jer 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

Jer 44:15 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,

Jer 44:16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee.

Jer 44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

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Pro 8:17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

Jer 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Isa 58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
 
Hi! What do you make of this?

Do you claim that the moedim (e.g., Lev. 23) are presently observable? Presently unobservable? Or permanently terminated?
 
@bibleguy

It's what the scriptures seem to indicate. i definitely believe so. I am still learning but i am no where where i could have been when it comes to the information.
If we can set up our own celebratory days then i don't think we have an excuse. Especially when we supplant some of his own Holy Days with ours. The Holy Days are also knowledge of the Heavenly Father and are supposed to be for a memorial and reminders for events. It's another way of how we show our love and appreciation for his works and will.



Minus the sacrificial aspect; I believe they are observable. I believe they should be learned, practiced, and observed. The earth is out of order but the Holy days are still observed in Heaven at their appointed times in which we are suppose to be in sync with. His will done on earth as it is in heaven. Even before the Levitical priesthood the patriarchs observed these holy days in some form or fashion. When Christ returns to set up the kingdom those same holy days will be practiced. They were never meant to be done away with here on earth in the first place. Heavenly Father does not change. I need to reread Ezekiel because I feel there is something in there relevant to his discussion that i can't recall.

We supplant Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread for worship of Queen Mother of Heaven Ishtar/ Semiramis on Easter
We supplant Feast of Tabernacles for worship and celebration of Ishtar's son Tammuz on Christmas ; when in actuality scriptures seem to link our messiah being born on Sukkot.

I created this post to articulate that more for someone.
 
@bibleguy
these scriptures seem appropriate "sill feel like relevant scripture in Ezekiel that eludes me"

Jdg 5:10 Speak, ye that ride on white asses, ye that sit in judgment, and walk by the way.
Jdg 5:11 They that are delivered from the noise of archers in the places of drawing water, there shall they rehearse the righteous acts of the LORD, even the righteous acts toward the inhabitants of his villages in Israel: then shall the people of the LORD go down to the gates
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Final verses of Old Testament

Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
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@bibleguy
these scriptures seem appropriate "sill feel like relevant scripture in Ezekiel that eludes me"

Jdg 5:10 Speak, ye that ride on white asses, ye that sit in judgment, and walk by the way.
Jdg 5:11 They that are delivered from the noise of archers in the places of drawing water, there shall they rehearse the righteous acts of the LORD, even the righteous acts toward the inhabitants of his villages in Israel: then shall the people of the LORD go down to the gates
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Final verses of Old Testament

Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
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Lots of great points Ivar. Thank you.

Sometimes people claim that present-day commemoration of the moedim is NOT true observance of the moedim (given that the associated sacrificial aspects, etc, are not presently observable).

So, given this claim, I guess we can still say that it is good to COMMEMORATE the moedim, recognizing that the moedim will (again in the future) be 100% fully obeyed (given Dt. 30:1-8; Zec. 14; Eze. 44:24; 45:17; 46:9; etc.).

After all, during diaspora, the moedim are NOT attended (Lam. 1:4). And we are still in diaspora. So, technically, one could argue that we are still unable to attend the moedim as Scripture requires, because we are still in diaspora and because we are unable to fully obey the moedim in all of their Scripturally-required details.

So, when Paul requires observance of Pesach (1 Cor. 5) of a Gentile-inclusive Corinthian congregation, I don't think he is actually requiring that all Corinthian congregants travel to Jerusalem (per the Scriptural Pesach requirement that all men appear before YHVH in Jersualem, Ex. 34:23). Rather, I think Paul is requiring a MEMORIALIZED celebration of Pesach (in 1 Cor. 5), since we can still enjoy great spiritual and educational benefit from such practice.

Anyway....just some food for thought.

blessings...
 
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