I have heard allot of debate about Stem Cell Research . Many claim that this research will help find answers to many of today's illnesses , and would be a great help to medical science . What are you're thoughts as Christians on this subject ? Is this a good thing ? Or is this a bad thing ? And what are the reasons behind you're answers ? Mike
Stem Cell Research ???
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This is a very touchy subject!
Hmmm, my personal opinion is undecided. The way I see it, is that God is maker of all things. And I do not believe man should try that. Get what I'm saying? And also, this may have absolutley nothing to do with this, but Rev. 15:16 talks about how everyone will recieve the mark of the beast, and in 15:18 it says This calls for wisdom, if anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's nunmber. His number is 666.
This just came to me.
I do not know, stem cell research may be a good thing, or another prophesy fulfilling itself. I would also like to hear other's opinions, cause like I said I do not know my own opinion! Weird huh?
God Bless
Sis in Christ
Lnrobar
Hmmm, my personal opinion is undecided. The way I see it, is that God is maker of all things. And I do not believe man should try that. Get what I'm saying? And also, this may have absolutley nothing to do with this, but Rev. 15:16 talks about how everyone will recieve the mark of the beast, and in 15:18 it says This calls for wisdom, if anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's nunmber. His number is 666.
This just came to me.
I do not know, stem cell research may be a good thing, or another prophesy fulfilling itself. I would also like to hear other's opinions, cause like I said I do not know my own opinion! Weird huh?
God Bless
Sis in Christ
Lnrobar
I wont pretend to know much about this subject but i have been on a couple of web sites to get a basic knowledge about stem cells.So far from what i can tell scientists are trying to use stem cell research to cure all sort of ailments that afflict mankind.You may have already even taken a drug that was first tried out on stem cells?A lot of medical advancements have seemed dubious when first introduced and are now carried out as a matter of course.In my veiw as long as the line of"playing God" is not crossed any procedure that helps a suffering individual is alright with me.
I was just sitting here thinking to myself, and this goes with my last post, if we found ways to help all these medical problems by stem cell research, then alot of people who do not pray will have no reason to pray. You know how most people who find out there is something wrong with them tend to pray alot more all of a sudden. Maybe that is why God allows the sickness. So we will pray. Because if He cured all the sickness, there would be no reason to pray. Am I wrong?
I dunno.
Well, bye!
Lnrobar
I dunno.
Well, bye!
Lnrobar
I see what your saying but i dont quite agree inrobar.Stem cell research doesnt herald the end of disease and sickness.Its just anther medical advance,like heart surgery and test tube babies to mention a few.As for having no reason to pray, surely God is there for more than when we want something from him?We praise God because he is our creator,friend,confidant etc everything else we recieve are mostly undeserved blessings.lnrobar said:
I may be wrong on all the above,just giving you my thoughts sis.
I just blogged on this, so ill fill in the gaps that I can.
First, Its Embronic Stem cells Christians have problems with. Their are also Adult stem cells that have been found to cure illness. Degenerative Disorders etc.
Embryonic Stem cells are harvested from Zygotes, that is fertilised eggs.
Currently, in the USA, they are using the stockpiles resulting from Invetro fertilization clinics.
The Problems with Embryonic Stem Cell Reserch:
-The Biggest. Its possible that this action is murder. If life begins at conception, then this act is killing a human life. If it begins at any point after conception, then this action is perfectly fine. But this possibility rules out stem cell research for me. Visual from my blog, the application of Pascal's wager to stem cell research.
Visual Here
-Another problem of Embyronic stem cell research is it has never yielded results. Several countries have been trying for several years, and no one has been able to cure anything with them. All this talk of them being the cure-all hasnt yielded ANY results.
-So to wrap up, Adult stem cells, harvested from concenting adults, not resulting in their death Good. Embyronic stem cells, harvested from possibly a human life without concent and killing it. Bad.
-Doulos
First, Its Embronic Stem cells Christians have problems with. Their are also Adult stem cells that have been found to cure illness. Degenerative Disorders etc.
Embryonic Stem cells are harvested from Zygotes, that is fertilised eggs.
Currently, in the USA, they are using the stockpiles resulting from Invetro fertilization clinics.
The Problems with Embryonic Stem Cell Reserch:
-The Biggest. Its possible that this action is murder. If life begins at conception, then this act is killing a human life. If it begins at any point after conception, then this action is perfectly fine. But this possibility rules out stem cell research for me. Visual from my blog, the application of Pascal's wager to stem cell research.
Visual Here
-Another problem of Embyronic stem cell research is it has never yielded results. Several countries have been trying for several years, and no one has been able to cure anything with them. All this talk of them being the cure-all hasnt yielded ANY results.
-So to wrap up, Adult stem cells, harvested from concenting adults, not resulting in their death Good. Embyronic stem cells, harvested from possibly a human life without concent and killing it. Bad.
-Doulos
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I too get what you are saying sparky. I take it with great respect! Thank you. But I wasn't implying that it would cure diseases, and stuff like that, I was just saying, if people had that technology right at their fingertips, they would be more than likelly not to pray. But yes you are right, we should rely on God for more than when we need something. Most people do not see that though. I appreciate your comment! I love hearing others opinions! They are great!
God Bless
Sis in Christ
Lnrobar
God Bless
Sis in Christ
Lnrobar
Well there is plenty of reasons to pray. It shouldn't always be asking for help, but don't forget to give thanks and adoration, worship, and just plain spending time with God.
On to stem cells.
Now I am not a biogenic science genious or anything so take this with a grain of salt so to speak...
My understanding is that stem cells are cells that haven't "become" what they are intended to become yet. They haven't been given "instructions" from the DNA inside as to what to be. For instance: a nerve cell, blood cell, or skin cell.
Scientists believe (or hope) that they can take one of these cells and insert it into, a blind persons eye lets say, and the DNA will tell the cell to become an optic nerve cell and therefore cure the blindness. Or into the spine of quadraplegic and the cell will become 'good' nerve cells to replace the damaged ones and therefor cure the paralisys. If this works, you can see the potential to cure cancer, diabeties, the list is endless, really. And Terry Schiavo would have been cured too!
No contriversy so far. No one would say curing these things would be a bad thing. (I'm sure God will create more disease tho, cuz it IS the wage for sin. So in my personal eyes, this may be fruitless.) The problem , however is WHERE the stem cells come from. Researchers want to take "young" stem cells from aborted babies. This is where some (Pres. Bush for one), find it difficult to swallow, as do I. Bush has said he will not use federal $ to fund this research, but he is not outlawing it. You can research it, just not with federal money.
Now this is where everyone stops listening, and starts to form opinions (take sides). Side 1: "how can you stop research that could cure my son/daughter?" Side 2: "how can you condone murdering a baby for medical research?" ---you can see the pasion involved here, and why it's such a heated topic. However, this is not the whole story.
It seems as though stem cells are not found ONLY in fetuses or babies, but are found in adult humans well into adulthood, in fact I believe you can find stem cells in 100 year old people as long as they are healthy. The body is always repairing itself and it uses stem cell for such. The other thing is, that much research has been done on these "older" stem cells and MUCH has come of it. I'm not sure what, but I've heard several treatments for disease that we use today has come from the research of "older" stem cells. The cells are somewhat different in infants from adults. The research for "older" stem cells IS federally funded and suported by Pres. Bush as well as I. That being said, not one new treatment, cure, or medicine has yet come from the research on "young" stem cells, and is therefore, NOT productive, and federal monies should go where results are shown. (In my opinion)
OK, now is it good or bad? Well, I tend to believe that God gives talents to all people, no matter if they are saved or not. And he tends to use those talents for his will no matter if it is intended to be so by the 'researcher', 'doctor', 'scientitst' or not. So I'd say that it is all Gods work, and therefore good.
STORY:
A man disslikes his neighbor very much and one day sees him admiring a tree on his own property. He looks the tree up and down. Takes a few pictures of it. Measures its circumfrence, and leaves. The hatefull man decides he will cut down this tree one night to spite his neighbor. He does so one night, and watches from his back yard for the man to find that his tree is gone.
The man comes to his backyard with another man carrying a clipboard. They walk to the place where the tree once stood, only to see the tree cut into small piles of wood. Obviously dumbfounded, he hears his neighbor laughing from his porch and goes to speak with him.
He askes, "Did you cut down this tree?"
The man replies, "Yes I did. How do you like that?"
"Very fine." he says. "I was building a barn here and that tree needed to come down. You have saved me much time, money and effort. I was going to sell the logs to this man who was going to cut it for firewood. Since it is already in small piles, he is willing to pay more for it. For he now doesn't need to cut it himself."
"You have meant this for evil, but God has meant this for good" said Joseph to his brothers. -Gen 50:20
God bless,
Nigh
On to stem cells.
Now I am not a biogenic science genious or anything so take this with a grain of salt so to speak...
My understanding is that stem cells are cells that haven't "become" what they are intended to become yet. They haven't been given "instructions" from the DNA inside as to what to be. For instance: a nerve cell, blood cell, or skin cell.
Scientists believe (or hope) that they can take one of these cells and insert it into, a blind persons eye lets say, and the DNA will tell the cell to become an optic nerve cell and therefore cure the blindness. Or into the spine of quadraplegic and the cell will become 'good' nerve cells to replace the damaged ones and therefor cure the paralisys. If this works, you can see the potential to cure cancer, diabeties, the list is endless, really. And Terry Schiavo would have been cured too!
No contriversy so far. No one would say curing these things would be a bad thing. (I'm sure God will create more disease tho, cuz it IS the wage for sin. So in my personal eyes, this may be fruitless.) The problem , however is WHERE the stem cells come from. Researchers want to take "young" stem cells from aborted babies. This is where some (Pres. Bush for one), find it difficult to swallow, as do I. Bush has said he will not use federal $ to fund this research, but he is not outlawing it. You can research it, just not with federal money.
Now this is where everyone stops listening, and starts to form opinions (take sides). Side 1: "how can you stop research that could cure my son/daughter?" Side 2: "how can you condone murdering a baby for medical research?" ---you can see the pasion involved here, and why it's such a heated topic. However, this is not the whole story.
It seems as though stem cells are not found ONLY in fetuses or babies, but are found in adult humans well into adulthood, in fact I believe you can find stem cells in 100 year old people as long as they are healthy. The body is always repairing itself and it uses stem cell for such. The other thing is, that much research has been done on these "older" stem cells and MUCH has come of it. I'm not sure what, but I've heard several treatments for disease that we use today has come from the research of "older" stem cells. The cells are somewhat different in infants from adults. The research for "older" stem cells IS federally funded and suported by Pres. Bush as well as I. That being said, not one new treatment, cure, or medicine has yet come from the research on "young" stem cells, and is therefore, NOT productive, and federal monies should go where results are shown. (In my opinion)
OK, now is it good or bad? Well, I tend to believe that God gives talents to all people, no matter if they are saved or not. And he tends to use those talents for his will no matter if it is intended to be so by the 'researcher', 'doctor', 'scientitst' or not. So I'd say that it is all Gods work, and therefore good.
STORY:
A man disslikes his neighbor very much and one day sees him admiring a tree on his own property. He looks the tree up and down. Takes a few pictures of it. Measures its circumfrence, and leaves. The hatefull man decides he will cut down this tree one night to spite his neighbor. He does so one night, and watches from his back yard for the man to find that his tree is gone.
The man comes to his backyard with another man carrying a clipboard. They walk to the place where the tree once stood, only to see the tree cut into small piles of wood. Obviously dumbfounded, he hears his neighbor laughing from his porch and goes to speak with him.
He askes, "Did you cut down this tree?"
The man replies, "Yes I did. How do you like that?"
"Very fine." he says. "I was building a barn here and that tree needed to come down. You have saved me much time, money and effort. I was going to sell the logs to this man who was going to cut it for firewood. Since it is already in small piles, he is willing to pay more for it. For he now doesn't need to cut it himself."
"You have meant this for evil, but God has meant this for good" said Joseph to his brothers. -Gen 50:20
God bless,
Nigh
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Great question Brother, and great reply Doulos. It depends of the type of Stem cells used in the research.
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Strypes I am saying this with love so don't take it any other way.
How can we consider babies conceived by the world "extra"? Are they not still babies? Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying so please let me know.
Also cadavers who where once alive said "hey I want to donate my body for science" not people going around to cemeteries and digging them up and making men ...oh wait that was Frakenstien...lol Im sorry I thought that was funny. Humans (dead) in science are donated not forced. I guess that is what I am trying to say that people or their bodies or their nerves or vessels or any of the stuff that is in a body should be used for science without that persons permission.
Love ya all ! God Bless!
How can we consider babies conceived by the world "extra"? Are they not still babies? Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying so please let me know.
Also cadavers who where once alive said "hey I want to donate my body for science" not people going around to cemeteries and digging them up and making men ...oh wait that was Frakenstien...lol Im sorry I thought that was funny. Humans (dead) in science are donated not forced. I guess that is what I am trying to say that people or their bodies or their nerves or vessels or any of the stuff that is in a body should be used for science without that persons permission.
Love ya all ! God Bless!
There is nothing wrong with adult stem cell research, which already has and is now benefiting many with serious problems and diseases. However, embryonic stem cell research is taking a human life and God clearly says
"Thou shalt not kill." Literally , that is thou shalt not 'murder', which is a deliberate act . To deliberately harvest embryonic stem cells is completely different from accidentally killing someone.
"Thou shalt not kill." Literally , that is thou shalt not 'murder', which is a deliberate act . To deliberately harvest embryonic stem cells is completely different from accidentally killing someone.
Brother,
To me that depends on what kind of stem cells you are talking about, adult or embryonic. As a believer I can not believe that God would allow the miracle of life to take place just to have it terminated for science. It has been proven adult stem cells can be effective in treating diseases. This can not be said for embryonic stem cells. Life begins at conception.
God bless,
Jeff
To me that depends on what kind of stem cells you are talking about, adult or embryonic. As a believer I can not believe that God would allow the miracle of life to take place just to have it terminated for science. It has been proven adult stem cells can be effective in treating diseases. This can not be said for embryonic stem cells. Life begins at conception.
God bless,
Jeff
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Just to put in my two cents I agree, stem cell research has been found to be more useful with the adultstemcells and even cordcells. But embryonic stem cell research I believe is wrong. They say these are already discarded embryos, but it is just aiding in the movement toward creating embryos to terminate for research. That is killing life, a life God created. I also believe life begins at conception. And so does God Psalm 139:13-16
I agree, stem cell research has been found to be more useful with the adultstemcells and even cordcells. But embryonic stem cell research I believe is wrong. They say these are already discarded embryos, but it is just aiding in the movement toward creating embryos to terminate for research. That is killing life, a life God created. I also believe life begins at conception. And so does God Psalm 139:13-16
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I'm with girlforgod. Embryonic stem cell research is as disgraceful as abortion itself - for that is what it is, aborting a life that GOD has created (or even more disgusting, WHILE GOD is creating it). Now, those in such punishable positions will be punished. I would hate to be in their shoes on that White Throne Judgement day.
burgeon said:
I know this is old, but I found it while searching for opinions and biblical verses concerning "the age of accountability". (Any direction in finding posts on that topic would be greatly appreciated.) So now I respond to burgeon:
HUH??? What does God's creation of woman have to do with man's destruction of life?
Embryonic stem cell research destroys a fertilized egg = conception = murderous science.
Adult stem cell research utilizes an unfertilized egg = no conception = acceptable science.
I hope burgeon is still around to clear this up for me. Thanks.
GBU
