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Supreme Court rules gay couples nationwide have a right to marry

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Romans 1:18-32
God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Supreme Court rules gay couples nationwide have a right to marry

The Supreme Court on Friday delivered a historic victory for gay rights, ruling 5 to 4 that the Constitution requires that same-sex couples be allowed to marry no matter where they live and that states may no longer reserve the right only for heterosexual couples.

The court’s action marks the culmination of an unprecedented upheaval in public opinion and the nation’s jurisprudence. Advocates called it the most pressing civil rights issue of modern times, while critics said the courts had sent the country into uncharted territory by changing the traditional definition of marriage.

“Under the Constitution, same-sex couples seek in marriage the same legal treatment as opposite-sex couples, and it would disparage their choices and diminish their personhood to deny them this right,” Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote in the majority opinion. He was joined in the ruling by the court’s liberal justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen G. Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan.

All four of the court’s most conservative members — Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justices Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. — dissented and each wrote a separate opinion, saying the court had usurped a power that belongs to the people.

Reading a dissent from the bench for the first time in his tenure, Roberts said, “Just who do we think we are? I have no choice but to dissent.”

In his opinion, Roberts wrote: “Many people will rejoice at this decision, and I begrudge none their celebration. But for those who believe in a government of laws, not of men, the majority’s approach is deeply disheartening.”

Scalia called the decision a “threat to American democracy,” saying it was “constitutional revision by an unelected committee of nine.”

In a statement in the White House Rose Garden, President Obama hailed the decision: “This ruling is a victory for America. This decision affirms what millions of Americans already believe in their hearts. When all Americans are truly treated as equal we are more free.”

Obama said change on social issues can seem slow sometimes, but “sometimes there are days like this when that slow and steady effort is rewarded with justice that arrives like a thunderbolt. This morning the Supreme Court recognized that the Constitution guarantees marriage equality. In doing so they’ve reaffirmed that all Americans are entitled to equal protection under the law...Today we can say in no uncertain terms that we have made our union a little more perfect.”

There were wild scenes of celebrations on the sidewalk outside the Supreme Court, as same-sex marriage supporters had arrived early, armed with signs and rainbow flags. They celebrated the announcement of a constitutional right to something that did not legally exist anywhere in the world until the turn of the new century.

Jim Obergefell, who became the face of the case, Obergefell v. Hodges, when he sought to put his name on his husband’s death certificate as the surviving spouse, said: “Today’s ruling from the Supreme Court affirms what millions across the country already know to be true in our hearts: that our love is equal.’

“It is my hope that the term gay marriage will soon be a thing of the past, that from this day forward it will be simply, marriage…all Americans deserve equal dignity, respect and treatment when it comes to the recognition of our relationships and families.’’

But Austin R. Nimocks, senior counsel for the Alliance Defending Freedom, a pro-traditional marriage group, said, “Today, five lawyers took away the voices of more than 300 million Americans to continue to debate the most important social institution in the history of the world. That decision is truly unfortunate…nobody has the right to say that a mom or a woman or a dad or a man is irrelevant. There are differences that should be celebrated. Millions of Americans still believe that.’’

This country’s first legally recognized same-sex marriages took place just 11 years ago, the result of a Massachusetts state supreme court decision. Now, more than 70 percent of Americans live in states where same-sex couples are allowed to marry, according to estimates.

The Supreme Court used cases from Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee, where restrictions about same-sex marriage were upheld by an appeals court last year, to find that the Constitution does not allow such prohibitions.

Kennedy has written the Supreme Court’s most important gay rights cases: overturning criminal laws on homosexual conduct, protecting gays from discrimination and declaring that the federal government could not refuse to recognize same-sex marriages performed where they were legal.

He often employs a lofty, writing-for-history tone, and Friday’s decision was no different.

Referring to the couples who brought the cases before the court, Kennedy wrote:

“It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its

fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization’s oldest institutions.”

Kennedy did not respond directly to the court’s dissenters, but he addressed the argument that the court was creating a new constitutional right. The right to marriage is fundamental, he said. The difference is society’s way of thinking who may marry, he said.

“The limitation of marriage to opposite-sex couples may long have seemed natural and just, but its inconsistency with the central meaning of the fundamental right to marry is now manifest,” he wrote. “With that knowledge must come the recognition that laws excluding same-sex couples from the marriage right impose stigma and injury of the kind prohibited by our basic charter.”

Scalia declared Kennedy’s writing style “as pretentious as its content is egotistic.”

And Roberts, in a biting dissent that far more harsh than his usual words, said the decision was “an act of will, not legal judgment” with “no basis in the Constitution or this court’s precedent.”

“The court invalidates the marriage laws of more than half the states and orders the transformation of a social institution that has formed the basis of human society for millennia, for the Kalahari Bushmen and the Han Chinese, the Carthaginians and the Aztecs,” Roberts wrote. “Just who do we think we are?”

The questions raised in the cases decided Friday were left unanswered in 2013, when the justices last confronted the issue of same-sex marriage. A slim majority of the court said at the time that a key portion of the Defense of Marriage Act — withholding the federal government’s recognition of same-sex marriages — was unconstitutional. In a separate case, the court said procedural issues kept it from answering the constitutional question in a case from California, but that move allowed same-sex marriages to resume in that state.

Since then, courts across the nation — with the notable exception of the Cincinnati-based federal appeals court that left intact the restrictions in the four states at issue — have struck down a string of state prohibitions on same-sex marriage, many of them passed by voters in referendums.

When the Supreme Court declined to review a clutch of those court decisions in October, same-sex marriage proliferated across the country.

Public attitudes toward such unions have undergone a remarkable change as well. A recent Washington Post-ABC poll showed a record 61 percent of Americans say they support same-sex marriage. The acceptance is driven by higher margins among the young.

When the justices declined in October to review the string of victories same-sex marriage proponents had won in other parts of the country, it meant the number of states required to allow gay marriages grew dramatically, offering the kind of cultural shift the court often likes to see before approving a fundamental change.

The Obama administration had urged the court to find that the Constitution requires such restrictions be struck down, and Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli Jr. made the case on behalf of the administration at the court’s oral arguments in April.

“In a world in which gay and lesbian couples live openly as our neighbors, they raise their children side by side with the rest of us, they contribute fully as members of the community . . . it is simply untenable — untenable — to suggest that they can be denied the right of equal participation in an institution of marriage, or that they can be required to wait until the majority decides that it is ready to treat gay and lesbian people as equals,” he said.

Jerry Markon, David Nakamura and Sandhya Somashekhar contributed to this story.
Supreme Court rules gay couples nationwide have a right to marry - The Washington Post
 
Isn't democracy just a fancy word for mob rule?
Reading about the insanity of the mob always leads me to "forgive them,for they do not know what they are doing".
Ask God for the nations and he will give them.
Psalm 2:8 Ask me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession.
Lord,by your command we ask that you give us the USA.

Mark 11:24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

Thank you Lord for giving us the USA.
 
Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat the folly of previous times...
Not so long ago, within living memory, almost the entire nation of Germany threw away their Bibles and Christian faiths, to embrace an artificial man-made
religion called Fascism that promised them a better future, if the would only worship their Fuhrer and the Nazi doctrines.
Well we all know how that ended in tears and misery.
And so today, it is now happening again in America and Europe...
Again nations of peoples are throwing away their Bibles and shedding their Christian faiths to worship alternative artificial man-made philosophies,
such as; Humanism, Socialism, Liberalism, Capitalism, Hedonism, Darwinism...
And again it will all end up in tears and much misery.
Like the Sword of Damocles the wrath and judgment of God is poised to fall upon the whole Earth.
As Jesus asked Himself, when the Son of Man returns will he find faith on the earth?
 
Romans 1:18-32
God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity
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Jerry Markon, David Nakamura and Sandhya Somashekhar contributed to this story.
Supreme Court rules gay couples nationwide have a right to marry - The Washington Post

Hi! 'Chad'
Yes, I too have the opinion that the recent Supreme Court decision is immoral ... (saying the very least).
Christian ethics/beliefs were placed in similar dilemma when, (for instance), the same court authorities ruled in favor of abortion during the 1970's.
A theocratic state is certainly no solution ... Christian Law as opposed to Sharia Law or Atheist Law ,,, or any other so-called Law. For instance, which Christian denomination and/or theology or doctrine would rule in a pluralistic multi-denominational theocratic state?
While a theocracy would indeed prevent nine 'pagan' Justices from imposing their will on us, it would not prevent, (for instance), those 'Christians' who subscribe to polygamy doctrine from imposing their supposed moral truths on us ... including those others holding the innumerable 'New Age' or Yoga-style oriental beliefs and slants.
In times past, various Kings thought they had a divine right to rule by God, they were responsible, not God. The Holy Roman Empire too had close connections to the Church, but was not ruled by the Church. In fact, the Pope and the Kings frequently got into arguments. England permitted heresy and schism to enter when Henry VIII couldn't restrain his sexual appetites. In the case of the ruling Papal States, Italy gave the Pope a mile so he could be free from secular influence. We could also include the pagan Roman Empire when the Emperor was considered a god. And Japan too ... at least until the end WWII. Today, Iran is technically a theocratic republic as well. And this all brings us to the modern example of John Calvin's Protestant heresy-based Theocracy, (which controlled the city of Geneva, Switzerland),, and the various heretic puritan settlements in what is now known as the State of Massachusetts. Additionally, the various countries seeking to practice Sharia Law.
Frankly, even if each one of us participating in this 'TalkingJesus' Forum decided to form an isolated island-state and agreed to have citizenship and be ruled under biblical laws, (theocracy), we'd still find some of those agreed laws incompatible to our particular and individual faith/beliefs. For instance, what would we say to the 'Christian' polygamists among us who would be demanding accommodation and inclusion?
Frankly, this recent ruling by the Supreme Court has near identical negative impact on us Christians as when the same court announced the Roe vs Wade decision during the early 70's. I'll leave you to determine what all the Christian outrage and hand-wringing has achieved since.
It's time that we Christians realized that the belief and posture of the state is inherently opposed to both our needs and desires. In biblical terms, it could be said as 'unequally yoked'. This confession should hardly come as a surprise to any Christian. After all, the Scripture plainly advises: "But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; abstain from every form of evil, (1Thess 5:22).
Examining another Scripture: "Let every soul be subject to the authorities that are above him, (Rom 13:1)
Most 20th century versions have interpreted, (not translated), the Greek words (huperecho exousia) as “governing authorities” while those of older origin, such as King James (1611), American Standard (1901), Bishop’s (1595), Geneva (1599), Darby (1890), Tyndale (1534), Webster’s (1833), carry the literal translation of these words as “higher powers.”
This change would certainly seem to prevent every ‘good Christian’ from ever thinking of opposing a government that advocates abortion, homosexuality, or reduced freedoms. Why this change from translation to interpretation in the newer versions? Was the change a matter of accuracy or influence over the translators in order to control the readers?
The word governing in the NASB is the Greek word huperecho that means “to hold above, to rise above, to be superior.”
The Greek word exousia interpreted as authorities in the NASB means "power to act, authority."
It is to those in higher lawful authority to which all souls are to be subject. The point of conflict comes when people associate the word governing with secular government. The context of this verse has no connection to secular government. In fact, a maxim of law states, “The power which is derived cannot be greater than that from which it is derived.” This means that government elected by the people, which gets is power or authority to govern from the people who elected it, can never therefore have greater power or authority than that which the people possess. That means that an elected, lawful, government must be in subjection to the will of the people.
That being said, the Supreme Court ruling is responding to the needs and desires of it's majority population which are, (in spite of their cultural ties to nominal church structures), are pagan/atheistic citizens. In other words, the majority of these pagan.atheistic citizens happily celebrate the Christian Christmas while preferring to express it as the consumer driven Santa Claus.
I ask you to recall that God tried to discourage Israel from setting up a kingdom by warning them of the dire consequences.That warning listed ways by which that king would limit their freedoms and take their property. Also, throughout the books of Daniel and Revelation, God presents/symbolizes those secular government as terrible beasts.
I also have the opinion that Peter's words to the governing authorities of his day would violate Romans 13, "But Peter and John answered and said to them, 'Whether it is right in the sight of God to give heed to you rather than to God, you be the judge; for we cannot stop speaking about what we have seen and heard'", (Acts 4:19-20)
So too of Jesus who repeatedly disobeyed the authorities' rules by healing on the Sabbath, among other things.
Throughout the early years, it was secular governments that persecuted Christians. Even today, in governments allegedly elected by the people to serve people, we see prayer removed from our schools, marriages perverted, and limits placed on what we are permitted to call sin. These governments, supposedly elected to serve the people are actually serving to benefit the bankers and large corporations at the expense of the people—and we’ve done little to oppose it. Why? Was it because we led to believe that "good" Christians are to be in subjection to “governing authorities”? Is this not a conflict in which master we serve?
In closing: the death of Paul, and probably all the disciples, was at the hand of government authorities. I am sure they were not looking for conflict—it was simply the consequence of loving people and following Jesus.
"If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you",. (John 15:18-19).
Remember where your TRUE citizenship and home is! It is not here among the pagans and atheists ... nor under the whims of the ravenous wolves which we boast as being our social, economic and political leaders. "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect".







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You know one of the most disturbing things I heard from a supporter of the ruling was "Animals have been with the same sex forever...now we can be too!" UMMMM HELLO some animals also eat their own babies....should we go ahead and legalize canabalism????! Or for that matter maybe we should eat our own poop because I've surely seen lots of animals do that! Many say they were born "gay". No one is GAY they just choose to engage in gay acts. When I was little I thought I was a flying unicorn....just because I said I was a unicorn didn't make me a unicorn. Serial killers say they were always attracted to killing even as children....should we legalize murdering since they were "born that way"??! Does Jesus love these people? ABSOLUTELY! Should we love these people? ABSOLUTELY! But we shouldn't change the truth because the world says we should. My heart hurts for Jesus as He is being called a liar still today. But He was definitely right...all these things must happen before He comes back. Looking forward to that day...it's getting worse out there every day!! Sorry for the rambling...o_O
 
Not too long ago, I was part of a discussion about Christians who struggle with being gay etc. A member of the forum who had remarried after divorce (divorce not due to abuse or the other spouse's infidelity) said that he hoped that God understands his physical need to be married. It was like he thinks God's grace gives him a blessing on his adulterous second marriage. Yet he condemned gay/lesbian Christians. It was like God's grace is sufficient for him but not for them.

I think the hypocrisy will be judged.

Judgement is imminent.

The wickedness that has been allowed to flourish blows my mind.

Jesus promised to return for His Bride and our hope is in Him. As we wait, we should be praying ..Praying for spiritual revival and awakening whilst we strive to be obedient to God's commands.

The Constitution has been shredded.

Our country has yielded to mob rule. Come quickly Lord Jesus!

When voicing our opinions on this ruling, please remember that the only opinion that matters is God's.

And His grace and mercy makes every Christian flawless. Tiz True. ..
 
Just something else that probably would happen before the return of Christ. This is just the tip of the iceberg I am afraid! Gay marriages are already in many of the Liberal / progressive churches. I pray for a conservative White-house and congress in the future.
 
No matter what the future of this nation may be, let us pray that we remain always on the Lord's side.
 
Jesus promised to return for His Bride and our hope is in Him. As we wait, we should be praying ..Praying for spiritual revival and awakening whilst we strive to be obedient to God's commands.

This is exactly what we need.
As you can see in the lead post. When we leave it to man to decide what is right, what is pure, what we should follow. This is what happens.

We seem to always forget that we live here in this world, this country, but we belong to another! Who has the power, Who is the final authority, Who moves the hearts and minds of men! We as a people need to do this. Just not willy-nilly or for those who do not know the term. Without Direction!

2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

We as His people, His Church need to step forward. We know what we need to do, and to keep doing it! Never stopping or coming forward with our prayers and supplications! With tears streaming down our cheeks! Beseeching healing for this sick land!. Until we do this! Revival will never come. Until we humble ourselves, clean up our own houses, remove sin from our lives, why should we expect a revival in this country? We know who can and will change the hearts and minds, not of His people, but those who do not know Him! Those are ones who this revival will provide change to! We just need to be ready to do what needs to be done in our own churches and lives that He will move for us, Give to this country what it needs! REVIVAL! To His Heavenly Glory!

Humility & Brokenness!
Unyielding Prayer! - Don't stop! Though it take years! Continue on!
Deal with our own sin! Purity!


Then we know that we have the intercessor! Then will "REVIVAL" happen! Not by our hand but by His!

Poem by Oswald J. Smith, called "He'll Surely Hear".

'God promised He would answer prayer.
Well, then, His promise plead,
And come to Him in Jesus' name:
He lives to intercede!

Behold Him now at God's right-hand,
Our Saviour, Christ the Lord.
O, trust Him in the darkest night,
Rely upon His word.

Our every need He will supply,
He hears us when we pray:
O, let us then our faith renew
And trust in God today.

It matters not how great the test,
God always makes a way -
Then let us take Him at His word:
He will not say us 'Nay'.

The hills before His presence melt,
The mountains disappear.
He answers prayer in Jesus' name,
Our cry He'll surely hear'.

With tears in my/our eyes and upon my/our cheeks!
Let us come before Him! Please! It has happened before! It can happen again!
Your Brother in Christ Jesus
Nick
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One step closer to Sodom the sequel.
There's talk about impeaching the 5 justices that wrote new law and vacated the 10th amendment rights of the states.
The justices that approved this are,
Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Elena Kagan
Sonia Sotomayor
Stephen Breyer
Anthony Kennedy

Now, just yesterday , a couple in some state has petitioned for the right to polygamous marriage by adding another woman to their lawful heterosexual marriage.
Who didn't see that coming? And then there will be polygamous homosexual couples united as well. I refuse to call their sin marriage.

God Save America!
 
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I will say that every one is born with certain biological traits. It seems that a fetus does not develop a sex until about four months when their brain is "washed" with hormones. Because we live in a world with variables, some things do not work out as they should. Some people seem to be almost polar opposite to what we would expect. By nature, not all males are manly men, and not all women are buxom fair-haired beauties. It is fair to say that God allowed them to be created them that way. It's reasoning is limited to the beginning and not the process nor the end result. If one thinks about it, a number of malls began life as open fields or a grove a trees.

It's true that some species do eat their young, and some people are born with a rather violent temper. If the latter get out of hand, we lock them away hoping they'll smarten up. Homosexuals (male and female) are insisting they have the right to exist that way because it's normal for them. When Man gets involved in what's right and wrong for Mankind, he or she is playing God making rules to make him/her self happy. Like Lucifer, wanting the power and right to make our own decisions and take credit for them.

God sanctified the relationship between Adam and Eve and made that the standard for Mankind in keeping with what he had already begun with other animals and even some plants. Unless one member of homosexual couples switch sides temporarily, they cannot reproduce. I realize there exists artificial insemination, but it still requires the opposite sex because we are not asexual. By law, we have to treat them with the same dignity as anyone else. There is no law which says they have to be our best friend. Lot had to deal with it in a very personal way, and I'm sure he saw things on a daily basis which didn't sit well with him.

Yes, there are homosexuals who are professing Christians. If what is written in the Bible about the subject is true, I find the words of those professing such a claim to be a contradiction in terms. If we are living in the End Times, then other things will change as well. While I watch little television, I find the medium's entertainment core becoming increasingly darker. My daughter-in-law watches a couple of afternoon soap operas when she can. Television says that they're a reflection of society. I shake my head and wonder how someone after watching them for 30 years could have a normal relationship due to the constant exposure of suspicion, distrust, dislike, and whatever else is thrown in. And, that's considered normal? We're in trouble.

Cheers,
John
 
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