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taking up arms, self defence, where do we stand?

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i read to day the account, prophecy news forum , [URL="http://www.prophecytalk.com where"]http://www.prophecytalk.com where[/URL] the person Ronmorgen was confronted and attacked at Dudley, Birmingham, U.K
Gangs and mobs running around with knives, and machetes.

with extreme islam, the teaching of islam, declaring death to every jew, christain, hindu, and every one eles who will not submit to islam.
the recent incident in Nigeria, were Muslim men, hacked to death christain women and children.

when i myself was in Africa, close by the genocide in Rwanda was taking place, people helplessly trapped, at the hands of gangs , mobs ,soliders, who had only one intent to kill,
]with in my spirit came such a roar, like a lion, some call it the lions breath, at what was taken place,
had men come to the place i was, to kill the children and the people there,
i would have thought nothing off picking up an automatic weapon, and using it, or a machetes,
such was the roar within me,
i thought of Samson, who slew a thousand men, with the jaw bone .

Recently, a friend of mine had his dog stolen, so i asked around, a few names came up, so i went to see them, i have Romany blood, i visited some travellers, firstly to ask if anyone had offered them a dog,
Also I explained that their names were being mentioned by people in the town, as to have possibly been involved, I did not personally go to accuse or threaten, just to track down a dog.
And do someone a favour, by returning it, before things got out of hand, they had taken the wrong dog , from the wrong family, who would not have let it go,
as you could imagine some did not take very kindly to this, no one likes to be falsely accused
one man picked up an iron bar,
i tolled him, he would be making a very big mistake, stood my ground.

i have pondered the situations mentioned above since, also what Jesus taught.
and been asking when is it right to defend your self, family friends, and to what extent.?
whats your thoughts , johnny
 
I am afraid that it will take something really horrific to be done in a place where there is a lot of public exposure to address this properly. Radical Muslims are killing people in literally every corner of the globe and yet the President has the word muslim censored form every document regarding these attacks.
It can be summed up as "death by political correctness".
 
buy a sword

A good repy, posted on Christian Forums.net - Members only Moderated Christian Forum genral discussion forum
Did Jesus advocate the use of a sword for self-defense purposes (Luke 22:36-38)?
Jesus is well known for His continued emphasis on love, forgiveness, and "turning the other cheek." It is therefore surprising to find Jesus advising the disciples to buy a sword in Luke 22:36: "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Did Jesus in this verse advocate the use of a sword for self-defense purposes?
This is an issue over which Christians have vehemently disagreed for many centuries. Following is a summary of the two basic views of how Christians have interpreted Jesus on this issue.
THE PATH OF NONRESISTANCE. Christian pacifists believe it is always wrong to injure other humans, no matter what the circumstances. And the same principles supporting pacifism carry over to nonresistance--the belief that any form of self-defense is wrong. This view is usually based on the exemplary life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
According to Christian pacifist John Yoder, Jesus rejected the existing political state of affairs and taught a form of radical nonviolence. Central to Christ's teaching, Yoder says, is His biblical mandate to "turn the other cheek" when encountering violence (Matthew 5:38-48).
In Yoder's view, the way to victorious living is to refrain from the game of sociopolitical control. Jesus exposed the futility of the violence engrafted in the present world system by resisting its inclinations even to the point of death. Hence, Christians are to refuse the world's violent methods and follow their Savior to the cross (Matthew 26:47-52). When Jesus told the disciples to buy a sword (Luke 22:36), pacifists suggest He was only speaking figuratively.
"TURN THE OTHER CHEEK" ALWAYS? It is true that Jesus said to turn the other cheek in Matthew 5:38-42. However, many scholars do not believe pacifism (or nonresistance) is the essential point of His teaching in this passage. These scholars do not believe Jesus was teaching to "turn the other cheek" in virtually all circumstances. Even Christ did not literally turn the other cheek when smitten by a member of the Sanhedrin (see John 18:22-23).
The backdrop to this teaching is that the Jews considered it an insult to be hit in the face, much in the same way that we would interpret someone spitting in our face. Bible scholar R. C. Sproul comments: "What's interesting in the expression is that Jesus specifically mentions the right side of the face [Matthew 5:39]....If I hit you on your right cheek, the most normal way would be if I did it with the back of my right hand....To the best of our knowledge of the Hebrew language, that expression is a Jewish idiom that describes an insult, similar to the way challenges to duels in the days of King Arthur were made by a backhand slap to the right cheek of your opponent."
The principle taught in the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5:38-42 would thus seem to be that Christians should not retaliate when insulted or slandered (see also Romans 12:17-21). Such insults do not threaten a Christian's personal safety. The question of rendering insult for insult, however, is a far cry from defending oneself against a mugger or a rapist.
In terms of following Christ's example, one must remember that His personal nonresistance at the cross was intertwined with His unique calling. He did not evade His arrest because it was God's will for Him to fulfill His prophetic role as the redemptive Lamb of God (Matthew 26:52-56). During His ministry, however, He refused to be arrested because God's timing for His death had not yet come (John 8:59). Thus, Christ's unique nonresistance during the Passion does not mandate against self-protection.
THE BIBLICAL CASE FOR SELF-DEFENSE. It is noteworthy that the Bible records many accounts of fighting and warfare. The providence of God in war is exemplified by His name YHWH Sabaoth ("The LORD of hosts"--Exodus 12:41). God is portrayed as the omnipotent Warrior-Leader of the Israelites. God, the LORD of hosts, raised up warriors among the Israelites called the shophetim (savior-deliverers). Samson, Deborah, Gideon, and others were anointed by the Spirit of God to conduct war. The New Testament commends Old Testament warriors for their military acts of faith (Hebrews 11:30-40). Moreover, it is significant that although given the opportunity to do so, none of the New Testament saints--nor even Jesus--are ever seen informing a military convert that he needed to resign from his line of work (Matthew 8:5-13; Luke 3:14).
Prior to His crucifixion, Jesus revealed to His disciples the future hostility they would face and encouraged them to sell their outer garments in order to buy a sword (Luke 22:36-38; cf. 2 Corinthians 11:26-27). Here the "sword" (Greek: maxairan) is a dagger or short sword that belonged to the Jewish traveler's equipment as protection against robbers and wild animals. A plain reading of the passage indicates that Jesus approved of self-defense.
Self-defense may actually result in one of the greatest examples of human love. Christ Himself said, "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends" (John 15:14). When protecting one's family or neighbor, a Christian is unselfishly risking his or her life for the sake of others.
Theologians J. P. Moreland and Norman Geisler say that "to permit murder when one could have prevented it is morally wrong. To allow a rape when one could have hindered it is an evil. To watch an act of cruelty to children without trying to intervene is morally inexcusable. In brief, not resisting evil is an evil of omission, and an evil of omission can be just as evil as an evil of commission. Any man who refuses to protect his wife and children against a violent intruder fails them morally."
http://www.ronrhodes.org/qselfdefense.htmlWm Tipton
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