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Teen throws baby to ground in random attack

Christ4Ever

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Calm down my Brothers & Sisters in Christ!
There is a reason for me posting this, which I found from a Secular online Newspaper video section.
Before getting to the end of the video clip which is quick. Ask yourself how you would respond.
Then see how the parents responded.


My initial reaction (ashamed) before seeing the response from the parents was that I hoped that the arresting police officers would do the same to this young man.
Not proud that my reaction was that way, but something inside me goes arwy when I think of children being abused.
Glad for the gut check that let's me know that I still have some growing to do.

Forgive me Father and bless these parents in the name of Jesus Christ.

With the Love of Christ Jesus (Which I forgot in this instance).
YBIC
Nick
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How would I have reacted? Had I been alone as the mother was, likely the same way. Tend to the child first and foremost.
Had my husband been with us, this attacker would be in ICU. Let him find Christ after/if he wakes up.
His excuse doesn't fly. He knowingly smoked marijuana laced with PCP or acid? He doesn't know which one? But he knows it was laced? But he smoked it anyway?
He's culpable. And should be tried as an adult and go to prison.
People find Christ in prison all the time.
 
These 'random' assaults are occurring more and more in our society. Remember the one in Minnesota where the 5 year old boy was thrown over a ledge at a mall some 40 feet high. From what I could tell the child in Oklahoma was white also and the assaulter was black.

I am always amazed at the degree Americans, and others, will go to ignore race as a factor. They will say they have no motive and completely ignore the race factor. Yet white racism is always considered a factor in a crime. Yet I haven't heard in these two incidents where 'hate crime' was mentioned. Perhaps I missed it. If a white man did this to a black baby, do you believe race would be ignored?

This is a subject all want to ignore. Blacks want to ignore it because it makes them look racist. Whites want to ignore it because they don't want to believe such a thing is possible in their world of 'all are equal' and so blacks can't be racist. So, what do we say? There was no motive found. He was just on drugs. Or it was just something that went terribly wrong. Or they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. So many ways to color it other than race.

Race is a powerful factor and ignoring it does not make it go away. Our country is becoming less and less Christian, and Christ is the only bridge between the races. Our Constitution and laws for equality do not remove racism. It just binds the hands for awhile. And while we have our head in the sand, underneath the pot is seething, getting ready to blow.

Quantrill
 
These 'random' assaults are occurring more and more in our society. Remember the one in Minnesota where the 5 year old boy was thrown over a ledge at a mall some 40 feet high. From what I could tell the child in Oklahoma was white also and the assaulter was black.

I am always amazed at the degree Americans, and others, will go to ignore race as a factor. They will say they have no motive and completely ignore the race factor. Yet white racism is always considered a factor in a crime. Yet I haven't heard in these two incidents where 'hate crime' was mentioned. Perhaps I missed it. If a white man did this to a black baby, do you believe race would be ignored?

This is a subject all want to ignore. Blacks want to ignore it because it makes them look racist. Whites want to ignore it because they don't want to believe such a thing is possible in their world of 'all are equal' and so blacks can't be racist. So, what do we say? There was no motive found. He was just on drugs. Or it was just something that went terribly wrong. Or they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. So many ways to color it other than race.

Race is a powerful factor and ignoring it does not make it go away. Our country is becoming less and less Christian, and Christ is the only bridge between the races. Our Constitution and laws for equality do not remove racism. It just binds the hands for awhile. And while we have our head in the sand, underneath the pot is seething, getting ready to blow.

Quantrill

Hello Brother,
Actually I don't disregard race, however, I don't consider it the main culprit in what is happening. Darkness or movement away from God is what has these symptoms of not having Jesus as ones Savior as the primary reason that you have actions as you've mentioned and was seen in this video popping up everywhere. As far as race and cultural differences, I also put the blame on the inability of churches themselves to integrate. I'm not saying this is the case in many places, but in some areas it is easy to see, and it works in all racial divides/directions. The church I attend is one of two that are the exception in my area. Maybe because it happens to be Pentecostal is the reason for it or maybe because it's close to an Air Base, and so receives those from all over the Country besides just those from the local area. Military people are forced together, and so it's possible that diverse worship is easier for them.

I went to a black church in the area once for a funeral service of a dad of one of my co-workers, and received many a surprised look. One, for just being there, since from all accounts this full church (500 or more) maybe had 2 or 3 white people (even though I'm Hispanic :smile: ). These looks were not as surprised as the shocked looks on the faces when they started to Praise & Worship and I stood up with raised hands glorifying God, when the majority of the people in the pews (4/5) just stayed sitting! Sometimes I think that even some believers think that Heaven, and the New Earth somehow is going to be divided!

So, maybe if we focused more on just Jesus, the Gospel, and just plain living like we belong to Him, which is what I saw from the way the parents responded. We just might cut through all barriers one finds in this ever darkening world.

Thanks for your observation brother.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Hello Brother,
Actually I don't disregard race, however, I don't consider it the main culprit in what is happening. Darkness or movement away from God is what has these symptoms of not having Jesus as ones Savior as the primary reason that you have actions as you've mentioned and was seen in this video popping up everywhere. As far as race and cultural differences, I also put the blame on the inability of churches themselves to integrate. I'm not saying this is the case in many places, but in some areas it is easy to see, and it works in all racial divides/directions. The church I attend is one of two that are the exception in my area. Maybe because it happens to be Pentecostal is the reason for it or maybe because it's close to an Air Base, and so receives those from all over the Country besides just those from the local area. Military people are forced together, and so it's possible that diverse worship is easier for them.

I went to a black church in the area once for a funeral service of a dad of one of my co-workers, and received many a surprised look. One, for just being there, since from all accounts this full church (500 or more) maybe had 2 or 3 white people (even though I'm Hispanic :smile: ). These looks were not as surprised as the shocked looks on the faces when they started to Praise & Worship and I stood up with raised hands glorifying God, when the majority of the people in the pews (4/5) just stayed sitting! Sometimes I think that even some believers think that Heaven, and the New Earth somehow is going to be divided!

So, maybe if we focused more on just Jesus, the Gospel, and just plain living like we belong to Him, which is what I saw from the way the parents responded. We just might cut through all barriers one finds in this ever darkening world.

Thanks for your observation brother.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Well, of course, we can always say the root problem of any crime is the result of a people moving away from God. That is accepted by all who are believers. The issues I raised were the way our country wants to disregard race in it's effort to govern, unless it is the white race. Which is why concerning these incidents you don't hear any report of a hate crime. At least I haven't. Have you? Do you believe it should be a hate crime?

Why do you blame the Church? Don't the Christians have the freedom to gather and worship with who they want? You say you went to a church which was all black mostly. But they didn't throw you out, did they? They didn't stab and beat you did they? An all black church likes worshiping with its people. That isn't wrong. Same is true with a white or Mexican Church. As I said, race is a powerful factor not to be ignored. The fact that churches of another race let you in and worship shows the power of Christ in His people. When missionaries went to the ends of the earth, and many of these were white Europeans, with the Gospel, they not only brought salvation to these people of other races, but they also had a cultural impact. And for this many were maligned for trying to make these people function in the European culture. In other words that is a no win situation.

Concerning the response of the parents, that is fine. That does not however negate the duties of the government. Do you think the man should be told that Jesus loves him and be set free? Should he not pay for the crime he committed? You can't run a country like you run a church. It won't work. We as Christians can forgive and pray for one, but the government had better do it's job in protecting it's people from these sort of crimes. And, the fact that they are ignoring race as a factor, shows me that they do not care to protect the people from these sort of crimes.

My point is this. I am addressing our countries failure here. Not the Church.

Quantrill
 
Well, of course, we can always say the root problem of any crime is the result of a people moving away from God. That is accepted by all who are believers. The issues I raised were the way our country wants to disregard race in it's effort to govern, unless it is the white race. Which is why concerning these incidents you don't hear any report of a hate crime. At least I haven't. Have you? Do you believe it should be a hate crime?

Why do you blame the Church? Don't the Christians have the freedom to gather and worship with who they want? You say you went to a church which was all black mostly. But they didn't throw you out, did they? They didn't stab and beat you did they? An all black church likes worshiping with its people. That isn't wrong. Same is true with a white or Mexican Church. As I said, race is a powerful factor not to be ignored. The fact that churches of another race let you in and worship shows the power of Christ in His people. When missionaries went to the ends of the earth, and many of these were white Europeans, with the Gospel, they not only brought salvation to these people of other races, but they also had a cultural impact. And for this many were maligned for trying to make these people function in the European culture. In other words that is a no win situation.

Concerning the response of the parents, that is fine. That does not however negate the duties of the government. Do you think the man should be told that Jesus loves him and be set free? Should he not pay for the crime he committed? You can't run a country like you run a church. It won't work. We as Christians can forgive and pray for one, but the government had better do it's job in protecting it's people from these sort of crimes. And, the fact that they are ignoring race as a factor, shows me that they do not care to protect the people from these sort of crimes.

My point is this. I am addressing our countries failure here. Not the Church.

Quantrill

Hello Brother,
Interesting response. You agree with the result from moving away from God, which is accepted by all believers. Then look to a government of people selected from the very pool that is moving away from God, and expect them to consider resolving said issues of race/violence? :smile: Not going to happen is it? The changes must come as it is in Salvation, one by one or hopefully like on the day of Pentecost, by the thousands!

Each person (non-believer) coming to Christ, and not corporate changes will move the people of this country and then its government to not look to what is on the outside, but what is spiritually discerned. Only the church, the body of Christ, has the ability and power from on High to change what is slowly getting darker and darker within this country. The church sadly for the most part is slumbering, while the Nation crumbles.

What the churches or in other words, believers, need is revival. A spiritual awakening that will move them to the highways & byways of America, with a life changing Gospel of faith. I found a site that gives a short synopsis on 5 American Revivals. I'm sure more meat is out there on each of them, but it's enough to show what needs to happen in order for this country to be lifted up from the abyss of darkness that racial division is only a symptom of.


Now I'm not saying that believers shouldn't use the God given sense they have to help select officials that can help to move us in a direction that promotes race relations, and not increase the divide, but the real onus is in spreading the Gospel to an unbelieving World. Therein, you'll have the numbers to illicit the changes that are needed in the government.

So, when I related the story of what happened in this black church. I was pointing out that if in the church environment they have difficulty accepting differences that are seen, how can one expect them to discern and caste out the unseen that rejoices at the confusion of the church that doesn't allow us to come together? And so the need of revival.

The way I see many churches in part behaving is reflected in a song that was sung by Casting Crowns, called "We are the Body of Christ". Still, there is hope, which is in Christ Jesus. For I honestly believe there are strong Body of Believers that do promote racial blindness, and the only color they see is the Red that is the Blood of Christ. So, we keep praying brother. Taking our supplications on High!

Again thank-you brother for sharing your thoughts on this.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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2 Chronicles 7:14
2 Timothy 2:23-26
 
@Christ4Ever

Actually, I believe the government should not disregard race as much of the problem. I think our government, U.S., is legislating equality, and unity, based upon law. As though race and culture will not matter as we are all equal and united by law. And so many times the government will ignore race because it is operating on 'equality' and no 'racial division'. As I pointed out, has anyone brought up race as a factor for the man throwing the baby to the ground, in either instances? One being in Minnesota and one being in Oklahoma?

In other words, you can legislate racial blindness all day long but that doesn't create racial blindness. You must always be ignoring the fact that race is there and it does matter. And so turn your head away when it is evident because it is not how you want it to be. Is it not racial blindness to ignore race as a factor in a crime?

As I said, race and culture is a powerful factor in mankind. So powerful that believers in Christ naturally align themselves with people of their own race when they go to worship. Is that wrong? No. That doesn't mean they hate the other race. Or that they deny the other race to worship with them. It means they like being with their own people. Do you view an all black church as not very spiritual? Or an all white church as walking in darkness? You seem to associate the natural desire of one wanting to be with those of his own race as evil. If you have a church that is thoroughly racially mixed, do you view it as spiritual?


Do you believe God created the races of man? I do. Thus I do not see racial divide as evil. One can do evil based on race, yes. But just because there is a natural divide between the races, is not evil.

Quantrill
 
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