Temporal Salvation?

[NetChaplain]

The most understandable and encouraging attribute concerning salvation is that of its permanency, after all, it is called “eternal salvation” (Heb 5:9). What part of salvation is temporary, seeing that one of the meanings of redemption is that of being saved from “eternal damnation” (Mar 3:29). Is it a sensible truism that one can be eternally saved and then not eternally saved? Thus being temporarily saved from “everlasting punishment” (Mat 25:46) is clearly a concept of an oxymoron?

 

[B-A-C]

There are temporary employees and there are permanent employees. Just because some of them can be permanent doesn't mean all of them will be.

 

[Dave M]

Jesus warns us over and over again to endure to the end and then be saved,

Matthew 24:13
But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

Matthew 10:22
And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

Mark 13:13
And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.


other scriptures say we have eternal life now

1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

 

[B-A-C]

1Cor 9:27; but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.

2Cor 6:1; And working together with Him, we also urge you not to receive the grace of God in vain—

1Thes 3:5; For this reason, when I could endure it no longer, I also sent to find out about your faith, for fear that the tempter might have tempted you, and our labor would be in vain.

1Tim 4:1; But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
1Tim 4:2; by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,

Heb 12:15; See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;

2Pet 2:20; For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
2Pet 2:21; For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
2Pet 2:22; It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."

Heb 10:26; For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27; but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.

Heb 6:4; For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5; and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
Heb 6:6; and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

Matt 25:8; "The foolish said to the prudent, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
Matt 25:11; "Later the other virgins also came, saying, 'Lord, lord, open up for us.'
Matt 25:12; "But he answered, 'Truly I say to you, I do not know you.'

Matt 5:13; "You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men.

Luke 9:62; But Jesus said to him, "No one, after putting his hand to the plow and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."

Matt 12:43; "Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it.
Matt 12:44; "Then it says, 'I will return to my house from which I came'; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order.
Matt 12:45; "Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation."

Luke 8:13; "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.

 

[Trevor]

Ephesians 1:13-14. And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession - to the praise of his glory.
We are guaranteed our salvation when we recieve the Holy Spirit. To question this, is to plant the seed of doubt into the hearts of young believers, and that has to be from the enemy. Shame on those who do it.

 

[NetChaplain]

There are temporary employees and there are permanent employees. Just because some of them can be permanent doesn't mean all of them will be.

Hi and God bless! But the issue here is children, not company workers. You can become and ex-employee but not an ex-child. The reason why many do not continue to manifest faith is because they do not have it.

 

[NetChaplain]

Jesus warns us over and over again to endure to the end and then be saved,

Matthew 24:13
But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

To me, the enduring is the evidence and not the means of receiving salvation!

other scriptures say we have eternal life now

1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

Amen! It's my understanding that the gift of eternal life is either received or ejected, but never lost. Scripture unquestionably teaches that there are those who can know they presently possess eternal life (Jhn 5:24; 1Jo 5:13), which is the sense of presently being spiritually "quickened" (Eph 2:1, 5; Col 2:13). The "quickening" and "eternal life" are not seen in the past tense when applied. Of course God knows who will choose to believe and those who will remain in unbelief (Jhn 3:18).

 

[B-A-C]

Hi and God bless! But the issue here is children, not company workers. You can become and ex-employee but not an ex-child. The reason why many do not continue to manifest faith is because they do not have it.

Actually you can legally "divorce" your parents in most states.
Heb 12:8; But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.

Rom 11:19; Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”
Rom 11:20; That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear.
Rom 11:21; For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you

I wonder how they were grafted in in the first place if they never had faith?
In the verses I gave above, it doesn't say they "never" had faith. In fact in says "they believe.. for awhile.. then fall away".
It doesn't say they were never salty... it says they were salty for a while, and then lost their flavor.
It doesn't say they never had the Spirit.. it says the were partakers of the Holy Spirit.
It doesn't say they never had oil... it says they had oil and ran out.
You can't fall away from a place you've never been. I can't fall away from the faith... unless I had the faith to begin with. I can't fall out of a tree, if I was never in the tree.
I can't crucify Jesus "again", if I never crucified Him in the first place.
I can't repent "again", unless I already repented at least once.

To say these people never had these things is to misquote the Bible.

 

[NetChaplain]

Actually you can legally "divorce" your parents in most states.

Law cannot change a progeny!

Heb 12:8; But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.

Initially in Adam "all have become partakers" of disobedience.

I wonder how they were grafted in in the first place if they never had faith?

The Jews who believe in God are the ones in reference deals with (Jhn 14:1).

 

[NetChaplain]

I believe it comes down to the fact that there are two groups of people professing Christianity. Those who genuinely profess the faith by unceasingly manifesting it by their continued lifestyle of godliness; and those who falsely profess faith in Christianity (Jas 2:18) who cease from appearing to lives godly. Thus what the latter departs from is not faith, but from the doctrine of faith, which they never truly entered into.

 

[Br. Bear]

for those who have faith,

keep the faith


Bless you ....><>

But you, O man of God, flee from these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance, and gentleness. Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made the good confession before many witnesses.
1Timothy 6:11-12

 

[NetChaplain]

for those who have faith,

keep the faith


Bless you ....><>

But you, O man of God, flee from these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance, and gentleness. Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made the good confession before many witnesses.
1Timothy 6:11-12

Hi, and amen; and the difference between Israel's covenant with God and the present covenant with Jesus and the Father ("Covenant of Redemption") is that the Father keeps those who are reborn from ever desiring again the old life (Phl 2:13).

 

[Sue D.]

It's Also true that either a person is born again or they're Not. A born again believer Will have the fruit of the spirit showing in their lives. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit Is a noticeable 'feature' --it can't be faked.

Christianity is a way of life -- following Christ -- being a born again believer. There are lots of people who are 'believers' in Jesus Christ -- it depends on What they believe about Him. A born-Again believer is one who has obviously been born Physically and then has Also accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and so have the Holy Spirit indwelling them. Thus being born of the Spirit (the Holy Spirit) .

It's Also a matter of an individual's spiritual growth taking place. We Are to be growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. --different people grow at different rates. But there Should be growth observed.

IF a person acts the same way AFter 'confessing Christ' as they did Before -- then a person needs to approach the person quietly, by themselves, concerned for their spiritual well-being. Get to know the person. Share your Own testimony with them and encourage them to do the same.

 

[NetChaplain]

It's Also true that either a person is born again or they're Not. A born again believer Will have the fruit of the spirit showing in their lives. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit Is a noticeable 'feature' --it can't be faked.

Amen! Mat 7:18 "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."

Everybody brings forth one or the other fruit (Mat 7:16).

God bless!