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The 10 kingdoms: revisted

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In Daniel 7, Daniel has a vision of 4 beasts. The last beast is much worse than the first 3 beasts.

Most Bible scholars believe this is the beast of Revelation. Before I make that assumption, we should take a look here.

All four of these beasts will rule over the Earth for different periods of time. Eventually Jesus will rule over the Earth for a while as well.

Who or what is this 4th beast? Who are what do the 10 horns represent. The Bible does give us some of these answers.

Dan 7:7; "After this I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrifying and extremely strong; and it had large iron teeth. It devoured and crushed and trampled down the remainder with its feet; and it was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8; "While I was contemplating the horns, behold, another horn, a little one, came up among them, and three of the first horns were pulled out by the roots before it; and behold, this horn possessed eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth uttering great boasts.

The 10 horns come from the 4th beast. Another smaller horn (eleventh horn?) came up and three of the horns were removed (pulled out by the roots).
This smaller horn has eyes and a mouth.

We could stop and speculate about what a lot of this might mean, but we don't have to. It is explained.

Dan 7:15; "As for me, Daniel, my spirit was distressed within me, and the visions in my mind kept alarming me.
Dan 7:16; "I approached one of those who were standing by and began asking him the exact meaning of all this. So he told me and made known to me the interpretation of these things:
Dan 7:17; 'These great beasts, which are four in number, are four kings who will arise from the earth.
Dan 7:18; 'But the saints of the Highest One will receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, for all ages to come.'
Dan 7:19; "Then I desired to know the exact meaning of the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its claws of bronze, and which devoured, crushed and trampled down the remainder with its feet,
Dan 7:20; and the meaning of the ten horns that were on its head and the other horn which came up, and before which three of them fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth uttering great boasts and which was larger in appearance than its associates.

In the passage above, it seems the 11th horn was smaller, now the horn is larger, perhaps because it grew in power.

Dan 7:21; "I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them

This eleventh horn will make war with the saints, and overpower them. (More about that later)

Dan 7:22; until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom.
Dan 7:23; "Thus he said: 'The fourth beast will be a fourth kingdom on the earth, which will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth and tread it down and crush it.
Dan 7:24; 'As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings.

I'm still laying some ground-work here.

...to be continued ...
 
Dan 7:25; 'He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.
Dan 7:26; 'But the court will sit for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever.
Dan 7:27; 'Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him.'
Dan 7:28; "At this point the revelation ended. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts were greatly alarming me and my face grew pale, but I kept the matter to myself."

Daniel 7:21; says this entity will not only make war with the saints (people in the church). But he will overpower many of them.
Daniel 7:25; says this entity will speak out against God, and he will "wear down the saints".

The last half of verse 25 could be taken a number of ways... "intend to make alterations in times and in law".

This could possibly mean people are trying to change history, erase history, or rewrite history in books to suit their agenda.
Alterations in law could possibly mean, trying to change laws that have been existence for a long time to suit their agenda.

Matt 24:24; "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

Mark 13:22; for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and will show signs and wonders, in order to lead astray, if possible, the elect.

These verses are similar to Daniel 7:25; it doesn't say the elect can't be lead astray, it says "if possible" they will be lead astray.

... to be continued ...
 
Rev 12:3; Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems.
Rev 12:4; And his tail *swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.

Is the red dragon with ten horns related to the beast with 10 horns? We will see. Rev 12:3; says the dragon has the 10 horns, Rev 13:1; says the beast has 10 horns.
Are they the same being?

Rev 13:1; And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore. Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names.
Rev 13:2; And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.
Rev 13:3; I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;
Rev 13:4; they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?"

Rev 13:2; above mentions a leopard, a bear and a lion. This very similar to Daniel 7.

Dan 7:4; "The first was like a lion and had the wings of an eagle. I kept looking until its wings were plucked, and it was lifted up from the ground and made to stand on two feet like a man; a human mind also was given to it.
Dan 7:5; "And behold, another beast, a second one, resembling a bear. And it was raised up on one side, and three ribs were in its mouth between its teeth; and thus they said to it, 'Arise, devour much meat!'
Dan 7:6; "After this I kept looking, and behold, another one, like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird; the beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it.

If Revelation 13:4; is speaking of Satan (the dragon), it says people will not only worship the beast but the dragon also. (Satan).

... I know I'm covering a lot of bases here, some of them are seemingly unrelated, but bear with me, I'm getting close.
 
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