The 2nd Birth is a must have

[Bethel]

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Jesus said.....>"you must be born AGAIN".

Jesus teaches........there is the 1st birth, where you as a baby, are born of water......... your mother's water breaks, and you come out of her womb. This is "born of water" the 1st Birth.

Jesus then says...."you must be ....BORN.......again".......as your 1st birth is for the earth.........your 2nd, which is to be BORN AGAIN.........born a 2nd time......is a Spiritual birth, that birth's you into God's heavenly family........as "ONE with God".....>"In Christ".

If you do not have this 2nd Birth......that is your Spiritual Birth Day... created by God's Holy Spirit, (not water).... then you will die, and Jesus says of these......>"depart from me......I never Knew YOU".

= You will go to hell and then later you will meet God at : Revelation 20:11

 

[Waggles]

Jesus teaches........there is the 1st birth, where you as a baby, are born of water......... your mother's water breaks, and you come out of her womb. This is "born of water" the 1st Birth.

Jesus does not teach this.

 

[Bethel]

Jesus does not teach this.

JESUS said,... "you must be born again".

Apparently you are not, as you have no idea He told you this.
You better listen to Him.

Look at this verse.

"""" Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God"""

That is Jesus talking to you.
Are you born again?
Then there is Kingdom of God for you......no heaven, no forgiveness of your sin.

All you have is this......Revelation 20:11, until you do what Christ said for YOU to do

And Here is God talking to you......>"The will of GOD, is that you believe on Jesus, whom God sent".

See that?
If you do that , then God will give you the 2nd Birth....>"born again".
If not, you will die, lost.......Like this.......John 3:36

 

[Waggles]

You avoid responding to the issue of contention and as usual post much waffle.
The debate is not about whether Jesus stated that a person must be born again or not - the issue of contention is YOUR claim that Jesus speaking to Nicodemus
taught that first a person must be born physically from a mother before they can be born of the Spirit.
That is absurd and nonsensical.
It is also in complete denial of the many scriptures in the gospels, Acts and the epistles that preach the necessity for water baptism and its spiritual significance.

 

[Bethel]

You avoid responding to the issue of contention and as usual post much waffle.
The debate is not about whether Jesus stated that a person must be born again or not - the issue of contention is YOUR claim that Jesus speaking to Nicodemus
taught that first a person must be born physically from a mother before they can be born of the Spirit.
That is absurd and nonsensical.
It is also in complete denial of the many scriptures in the gospels, Acts and the epistles that preach the necessity for water baptism and its spiritual significance.

Read John 3.

Christ is talking to Nicodemus.
And he is explaining to Nicodemus that there is a 2nd birth that is not...>"going back into my mother's womb again"......That Nicodemus thinks is what Christ is talking about as being born AGAIN.

So, Jesus says.....> i'll paraphrase it............Listen, there is that birth from your mother that you are talking about.......as this is by water, the 1st birth......but now you must be BORN = AGAIN........ the 2nd birth, and that is by my Spirit.

 

[Waggles]

So, Jesus says.....> i'll paraphrase it............Listen, there is that birth from your mother that you are talking about.......as this is by water,

NO Jesus is NOT talking about a natural physical birth.

 

[Bethel]

NO Jesus is NOT talking about a natural physical birth.

Getting in a pool of water, does not cause you to be born again......as if it did, then if the Holy Spirt also causes the New Birth, then that means you are born again 2x.
once by water, and once by the Holy Spirit.
See it?

So, the water birth, is you inside your mother, as Nicodemus was talking about.......and the 2nd birth......that Jesus says must happen, is a Spiritual birth that is created by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Waggles]

Getting in a pool of water, does not cause you to be born again...

Getting into a pool of water and confessing your faith for the remission of your sins and then also being baptized in the Holy Spirit with the scripture evidence of praying in tongues
gets a person to become born from above.

 

[Bethel]

Getting into a pool of water and confessing your faith for the remission of your sins

God sees faith in the heart.
You dont have to get into a pool or a river or a baptismal.

So, once you are born again, then go and get water baptized, same as everyone does., who is actually born again.

 

[Waggles]

God sees faith in the heart.
You dont have to get into a pool or a river or a baptismal.
So, once you are born again, then go and get water baptized, same as everyone does., who is actually born again.

So once again you preach another gospel.

 

[Bethel]

So once again you preach another gospel.

"The Gospel of the Grace of God.".......>Is what Christ personally gave to Paul, after Paul the "chosen vessel" was put into the ministry.

This Gospel of the Grace of God..........Paul refers to it , 3x, as....."my Gospel".

You should go and find out what that is, and once you do.......if you do.......you'll then realize why John wrote this verse.....>"The will of God is that you believe on Jesus, whom God sent".....as this is the Gospel, that Paul was Given by Christ.
It is the only Gospel..........all others are satanic lies, or just theological heresy......(same thing).
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