the ability to COMPLETE an unpleasant situation without giving way?

[robaston]

I love following the one that knows the way, the why and me. So when He speaks, He energises and motivate me no end. Recently He fed me through the word endurance by means of a priceless brother.

noun

1. 1.
   
   the ability to endure an unpleasant or difficult process or situation without giving way.
   
   "she was close to the limit of her endurance"
   
   synonyms:
   
   toleration, bearing, tolerance,sufferance, fortitude, forbearance,patience, acceptance, resignation,stoicism More
   
   
2. 2.
   
   the capacity of something to last or to withstand wear and tear.
   

synonyms:

continuance, continuity, continuation,lasting power, durability, permanence,longevity;

constancy, stability,changelessness, immutability;

rarelastingness, everlastingness

I like endurance = the ability to COMPLETE an unpleasant situation without giving way? We saints are called to endure, and personally after each battle He gives me a refreshing drink of His Grace

 

[RJ]

I love following the one that knows the way, the why and me. So when He speaks, He energises and motivate me no end. Recently He fed me through the word endurance by means of a priceless brother.

noun

1. 1.
   
   the ability to endure an unpleasant or difficult process or situation without giving way.
   
   "she was close to the limit of her endurance"
   
   synonyms:
   
   toleration, bearing, tolerance,sufferance, fortitude, forbearance,patience, acceptance, resignation,stoicism More
   
   
2. 2.
   
   the capacity of something to last or to withstand wear and tear.

synonyms:

continuance, continuity, continuation,lasting power, durability, permanence,longevity;

constancy, stability,changelessness, immutability;

rarelastingness, everlastingness

I like endurance = the ability to COMPLETE an unpleasant situation without giving way? We saints are called to endure, and personally after each battle He gives me a refreshing drink of His Grace

I find that his "free" gift of "living water" is never ending. When times get tough and the enemy tries to creep in, I go back to the time I first believed and I am refreshed!.....
’Twas grace that taught my heart to fear,
And grace my fears relieved;
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed.

 

[robaston]

I find that his "free" gift of "living water" is never ending. When times get tough and the enemy tries to creep in, I go back to the time I first believed and I am refreshed!.....
’Twas grace that taught my heart to fear,
And grace my fears relieved;
How precious did that grace appear
The hour I first believed.

i love that rj, yeah i do a bit of that too but i don't go right back to day 1. this is the way my brain goes:
1. boy this is tough, get me otta here
2. ok Lord i know you're right here too but maybe just a little rest from this
3.if i just get thru this, the Lord will come thru
4.yes i made it!! now that was easy cause it feels so good now
5.Lord you are worth it! it's good to see you.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Hello Dear Brother,

My initial thought when I first heard this word was immediately to see how it pertained to me! The still selfishness of "I"! Like a continuance of something in our lives that we would rather not have to deal with a moment longer then His will would allow. To "endure" a confirmed unpleasantness. (Sigh)

It wasn't until later in moving away from the initial gloomy feeling the word implied which I'm sure is the initial reaction of many. I thought of you Brother Goff! I also thought of our Lord, and without number the Brothers & Sisters who have endured much and who still endure in these sorrowful days. Something that in that line of thought that always leads me back to the Cross.

Even when looking at how our Lord endured ridicule, pain, suffering, shame (this always brings tears to my eyes) unto the Cross and spoke of how we too would need to endure much for His name sake.

It all of sudden turned. For at the same time this knowledge came with it. Endure spoke of as you readily stated also synonyms. A steadfastness, everlasting, assurance in Him.

In the knowing of Him, comes the realization that He "endures" forever, His Love "endures" forever. An knowing that God is Good all the time; His Word Uplifting/Comforting; enduring with no end! A word that brings with it the knowledge of His Overflowing Grace that reconnects every aspect of our lives which flows right back to Him! Our God, Our Lord, Our Savior!

There is the comfort which "enduring" brings and has for us. That It can, if we remember and keep our focus on Him during these times. Learn and bring to us the remembrance to rejoice at all times. Always growing and moving forward in and towards Him each and every day we have life and then eternal life!!

Thank-you Dear Brother for your post.
In His Love.
YBIC
Nick
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For the LORD is good; his steadfast love endures forever, and his faithfulness to all generations. Psalm 100:5 ESV

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

This is a wonderful thread.
Here is another area of endurence that God has taught me - it goes right along with perseverance
To be the same within His word and ways constasntly the same no matter what comes my way. This way when I go through the stance of fighting the good fight of faith - I am not moved or swayed but simply trust in His word and in His ways and endure through what ever comes my way and see the victory.
God Bless
jim

 

[RJ]

This is a wonderful thread.
Here is another area of endurence that God has taught me - it goes right along with perseverance
To be the same within His word and ways constasntly the same no matter what comes my way. This way when I go through the stance of fighting the good fight of faith - I am not moved or swayed but simply trust in His word and in His ways and endure through what ever comes my way and see the victory.
God Bless
jim

I agree, it is all about him, his power through us!
He , who is in you, is greater than anything outside of you!

1 John 4:4 4 You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world
Romans 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
Colossians 1:27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I agree, it is all about him, his power through us!
He , who is in you, is greater than anything outside of you!

1 John 4:4 4 You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world
Romans 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
Colossians 1:27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Amen and I agree and yet there seems to be many believers who feel they do not have to do anything and all these things just go to work for them. Please wait Brother RJ - I am NOT pushing works -- lol
What I mean they do not apply the following and think they simply get the rusults any way..

Galatians 5:16 and Romans 12:2 and 2 Corinthians 10:4-5

Romans 12:2 ....
And be not conformed to this world; but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind that ye may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God

(( Get His word in you each and every day and speak His word each and every day ))

2 Corinthians 10:4-5
4... For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to pulling down strong holds
5... Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.

(( Begin to practice the words you speak and thoughts you think for our thoughts and words to control how we act or react and believe. Our own words do more do influence our thinking then most of everything else. ))

Galatians 5:16
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh

(( The more you do the first two the more you will begin to walk in the Spirit and you will be amazed to say the least. ))

All done through the Grace of God - who maketh all grace abound to me. ( 2 Corinthians 9:8 )

God has shown us what we can have or how we can live in Him - BUT - we have got to learn how to do things His way. God has done His part - Now we must do our part to see the results He promises.

God Bless
Jim

 

[robaston]

jim mate, wrapped that you replaced the signpost for an actual person

i find Galatians 5:16 inspiring and i try to live by it. it is, as you say a key to overcoming and getting on top of things...we do have warring between flesh and spirit, it's a daily PROCLAMATION aye?

 

[RJ]

Amen and I agree and yet there seems to be many believers who feel they do not have to do anything

I keep seeing this: "do not have to do anything" and also, " can do anything"...I never see this from a true believer?!

 

[robaston]

I keep seeing this: "do not have to do anything" and also, " can do anything"...I never see this from a true believer?!

true, the mark of a true beliver is "not tossed to & fro" but consistent

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I keep seeing this: "do not have to do anything" and also, " can do anything"...I never see this from a true believer?!

Rj perhaps you could try to explain what exactly you mean here ?
Bottom line - we as born again beleivers have our part to do in operating in the kingdom of God.
What is it that you are tripping over ?
Blessings

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

true, the mark of a true beliver is "not tossed to & fro" but consistent

Conssistent Yes - but consistent at what ?

 

[robaston]

Conssistent Yes - but consistent at what ?

at deciding to submitting your flesh to the Spirit

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

at deciding to submitting your flesh to the Spirit

Brother Robaston Hello,
Exactly !! See Brother I piggy backed off of your post because I knew what your heart would say.
Reason being is because of post #9 and @RJ said I keep seeing this: "do not have to do anything" and also, " can do anything"...I never see this from a truebeliever?!

See we have to make a choice to do things if we want to see thr promises of God come to pass in our lives.
Brother @RJ seems to feel that since Jesus died for all sins past - present and future that we get a free ride. We do not have to deal with un-forgiveness and un-repented sin does not hinder our faith and all.

God showed us how we can walk in the spirit and not only over come the flesh but activate the things of God in our lives. I get Poorly quoted and replies to things I have not ever said.

So Brother I used your post to make this point - I mean no disrespect but I have watched your post and knew you would bring a good reply or answer to this - so thank you @robaston

As you said "deciding" this is a choice we must make to either do this or not. @RJ you said you never see this from a true beleiver......... I find this hard to beleive that you have not developed an understanding that walking in the kingdom of God we are governed by kingdoms laws. Meaning the ways in which God has created His kingdom to operate. You know how we must live in order to see a victorious and prosperous life in Christ as we dwell in this earth. If we do not do the things Her has siad we must do then we live a life that never ever comes close to our potential in Christ.

God Bless
Jim

 

[RJ]

Rj perhaps you could try to explain what exactly you mean here ?

It is not "what" I mean, it is what you mean! Brother, I was just responding to "what" you said in post #7 of this thread : "and yet there seems to be many believers who feel they do not have to do anything" ...it seems to me that I hear this sort of false thinking from those who resist the true aspect of grace and say this sort of thing to justify their need for personal accredited works. Perhaps you could further explain your statement?

Bottom line - we as born again beleivers have our part to do in operating in the kingdom of God.

Yes, "Born Again", meaning Jesus is inside us, he is the vine, we are the branch, allowing his fruit through us.

What is it that you are tripping over ?

Relax! I am not tripping over anything. Being born again, keep allowing him to do his good works through you and give him ALL the credit!! Remember: "John 15:5 "I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing."
Peace and Love

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

It is not "what" I mean, it is what you mean! Brother, I was just responding to "what" you said in post #7 of this thread : "and yet there seems to be many believers who feel they do not have to do anything" ...it seems to me that I hear this sort of false thinking from those who resist the true aspect of grace and say this sort of thing to justify their need for personal accredited works. Perhaps you could further explain your statement?

Yes, "Born Again", meaning Jesus is inside us, he is the vine, we are the branch, allowing his fruit through us.

Brother RJ let it go and just forget it. I am not going to do this song and dance with you. You side step things and assert assumptionsd to what I really said and then when I ask you what is it you mean and you want to turn it around. Bro if you want to believe that you can simply go through life and not repent and seek forgivness then so be it. If you feel what I have said is wrong then - please show me but please I ask you in Respect.......stop play polatition with me.............stop side stepping things...

Now then..........have a beautiful week end and enjoy the joy of the Lord.
God Bless
Brother

 

[RJ]

Bro if you want to believe that you can simply go through life and not repent and seek forgivness then so be it

There you go again. When comes to respect, I pray you would stop accusing me of this, no where can you find me saying this! I have a repentant heart and I am forgiven!
God Bless

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

There you go again. When comes to respect, I pray you would stop accusing me of this, no where can you find me saying this! I have a repentant heart and I am forgiven!
God Bless

Brother RJ,
Hello and maybe this might open up your eyes to what I am talking about and enable you to see there is no disrespect given or taken.

Did you not tell me that 1 John 1:9 was for un-believers only ?
Did you not tell me that since Jesus died for all sins -past- present and future that we do not need to repent for sins ?
Did you not tell me that I was wrong when I said un-repented sins and un-forgiveness will hinder your prayer life and hinder the results of your faith ?

Now then before answering - please be honest - for I can go back and list the thread url and copy and quote these things of yours.

Now then you said that I was claiming that you have to work to keep your salvation and I had NOT once said anything like this. There is more examples where you asume that somethingis being said and run with it. This is where I gotthe asserted assumtions from. No disrespect meant but simply drawing attention to something.

When I try to correct what you "think"was said you took the conversation in another direction.....Hence I called it side stepping....

With that said - there was not anything said with dis-respect

You also said you keep hearing beleivers say things like this BUT you added no true beleiver thinks like this.
I tried to get you to explain what you mean by this and you side step by saying no brother it is not what I meant but what you said... again.........no disrespect but how about following through with the claims you make brother. other wise we end up in these debates going no where. lol

Mark 11:25 tells us that when we stand praying - FORGIVE - if we have - AUGHT- against any so that your Father which is in Heaven "MAY" forgive you your trespasses......

So then if one does not forgive any aught then they have refused to obey a command from God which in return is "sin".
Now then this sin will and does hinder your prayer life and slows down the results you expect from your faith.

So then what do you do with this "sin" or failure to forgive all aught ?
You turn to 1John1:9 and you Repent ( change the way you are thinking and doing things ) and you ask the Father to forgive you of this...........

Now then it would seem that 1John 1:9 is for us believers as well
Now then it would seem that even though we are born again - we still need to seek forgiveness in our daily lives even though Jesus died for all sin.

He died for all sin RJ but we still have to ask. Once we became born again - our sins were covered and destroyed by the blood of Jesus - now when we miss the mark or sin after this point - YES we run to Grace and Yes the blood of Jesus has paid the price for this sin - However we still need to Repent of this and ask God to forgive us and try again...........

This does not say nor have I ever said we need to work to keep our salvation.
I did not ever say we have to keep a list of everything we mess up

When a beleiver is truly seeking God on a daily basis and willing to be willing to learn and change - God will point out area's of your life that are off or amiss or simply un-dealt with sin that is hindering or slowing down growth in any given area of your life. Key here brother RJ is WE as the beleiver must be willing to be willing to seek God in this. Far to many beleivers simply keep going on in the same old manner they have for years and never really climb up to a higher level or understanding in their walk in Christ.

This is all I have said or meant.
God Bless you brother RJ and I pray there is no more asumption in this.
Jim

 

[RJ]

Did you not tell me that 1 John 1:9 was for un-believers only ?

No, I said it was to believers about unbelievers,Gnostic's, that didn't believe in sin....big difference.

Did you not tell me that since Jesus died for all sins -past- present and future that we do not need to repent for sins ?

Brother , this a frequent question is “what happens if I sin, and then I die before I have an opportunity to confess that sin to God?” Another common question is “what happens if I commit a sin, but then forget about it and never remember to confess it to God?” Both of these questions rest on a faulty assumption.Brother salvation is not a matter of believers trying to confess and repent from every sin they commit before they die. Salvation is not based on whether a Christian has confessed and repented of every sin. Yes, we should confess our sins to God as soon as we are aware that we have sinned. However, we do not always need to be asking God for forgiveness...what do you do or how are you effected if you don't see a particular sin. Do you mean you see EVERY sin you commit and then promptly ask for forgiveness for each one? When we place our faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, all of our sins are forgiven. That includes past, present, and future, big or small. Believers do not have to keep asking for forgiveness or repenting in order to have their sins forgiven. Jesus died to pay the penalty for all of our sins, and when they are forgiven, they are all forgiven Colossians 1:14 ;
Acts 10:43 .
Hebrews 8:12 For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.".....sins...not sin and he does not say "only if you come to me each time" ! Would you care to interpret?
Love keeps no record of wrongs 1 Corinthians 13:5....would you say this is only true if you ask for forgiveness for each one?

Did you not tell me that I was wrong when I said un-repented sins and un-forgiveness will hinder your prayer life and hinder the results of your faith ?

I may have disagreed to some degree, but could you please show me where I specifically said you were wrong? Un-repented sin means willful sin to me, we are not talking about a saved person here. Un-forgiveness ...if you are unforgiven, you are not a believer and you have no prayer life. You need to study Martin Luther...when he was in prison and couldn't do daily confession but could read his Bible....he soon learned that though he didn't daily confess, he as still saved!

Now then you said that I was claiming that you have to work to keep your salvation and I had NOT once said anything like this.

Sorry, to repent for each sin you commit in order to be forgiven, and I can only assume to also continue to be saved, is a requirement and a form of a work...guilty as charged!

When I try to correct what you "think"was said you took the conversation in another direction.....Hence I called it side stepping....

Sorry, I will just repeat this: you said in post #7 of this thread : "and yet you said in post #7 of this thread : "and yet there seems to be many believers who feel they do not have to do anything...If you were not including me in this category, could you please explain what you meant about his?

You also said you keep hearing beleivers say things like this BUT you added no true beleiver thinks like this:
I tried to get you to explain what you mean by this and you side step

I don't recall side stepping but here goes again: I didn't say it, you said it: : "and yet there seems to be many believers who feel they do not have to do anything"

Mark 11:25 tells us that when we stand praying - FORGIVE - if we have - AUGHT- against any so that your Father which is in Heaven "MAY" forgive you your trespasses......

So then if one does not forgive any aught then they have refused to obey a command from God which in return is "sin".
Now then this sin will and does hinder your prayer life and slows down the results you expect from your faith.[/QUOTE
I have no idea how you pray when you have all this excess baggage! In the context of our conversation, just like a sin committed and asking promptly for forgiveness, forgiving another should be done as often as you realize it or have the chance..but, of course, there is the problem with the times you forget, don't see it or otherwise just fail to do what is appropriate.

He died for all sin RJ but we still have to ask

O.K., let's say you are made aware of each and every sin, 24/7, never miss one, you somehow do this function perfectly. Sorry, I can only assume you mean that if you don't ask about just one, you are therefore not forgiven for that one, right? So, when you ask for forgiveness, with the intent of receiving grace and forgiveness.....how did Jesus die just once and for all...If you are not forgiven for that one sin, isn't that like asking him to die on the cross again, each time you ask for forgiveness for another sin?

He died for all sin RJ but we still have to ask. Once we became born again - our sins were covered and destroyed by the blood of Jesus - now when we miss the mark or sin after this point - YES we run to Grace and Yes the blood of Jesus has paid the price for this sin - However we still need to Repent of this and ask God to forgive us and try again...........

Sorry, no offense but this makes absolutely no sense.
Another thing sins we not covered by Jesus, they were covered by the law and the Day of Atonement. Jesus "took away" sins!
1 John 3:5
John 1:29
Roman 6:5-14

This does not say nor have I ever said we need to work to keep our salvation. Do you or do you not think that you must continue to ask for forgiveness to stay in the grace of God?

I did not ever say we have to keep a list of everything we mess up

So, you don't keep a list of every sin, but you must continue to ask for forgiveness.....wouldn't it make more sense to posses repentant heart for all sin and when you do acknowledged one to God, simply thank him for already taking care of it, and praise him for the fact that Jesus has already died on the cross for it...Romans 8:1

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

No, I said it was to believers about unbelievers,Gnostic's, that didn't believe in sin....big difference.
Brother , this a frequent question is “what happens if I sin, and then I die before I have an opportunity to confess that sin to God?” Another common question is “what happens if I commit a sin, but then forget about it and never remember to confess it to God?” Both of these questions rest on a faulty assumption.Brother salvation is not a matter of believers trying to confess and repent from every sin they commit before they die. Salvation is not based on whether a Christian has confessed and repented of every sin. Yes, we should confess our sins to God as soon as we are aware that we have sinned. However, we do not always need to be asking God for forgiveness...what do you do or how are you effected if you don't see a particular sin. Do you mean you see EVERY sin you commit and then promptly ask for forgiveness for each one? When we place our faith in Jesus Christ for salvation, all of our sins are forgiven. That includes past, present, and future, big or small. Believers do not have to keep asking for forgiveness or repenting in order to have their sins forgiven. Jesus died to pay the penalty for all of our sins, and when they are forgiven, they are all forgiven Colossians 1:14 ;
Acts 10:43 .
Hebrews 8:12 For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.".....sins...not sin and he does not say "only if you come to me each time" ! Would you care to interpret?
Love keeps no record of wrongs 1 Corinthians 13:5....would you say this is only true if you ask for forgiveness for each one?

I may have disagreed to some degree, but could you please show me where I specifically said you were wrong? Un-repented sin means willful sin to me, we are not talking about a saved person here. Un-forgiveness ...if you are unforgiven, you are not a believer and you have no prayer life. You need to study Martin Luther...when he was in prison and couldn't do daily confession but could read his Bible....he soon learned that though he didn't daily confess, he as still saved!

Sorry, to repent for each sin you commit in order to be forgiven, and I can only assume to also continue to be saved, is a requirement and a form of a work...guilty as charged!

Sorry, I will just repeat this: you said in post #7 of this thread : "and yet you said in post #7 of this thread : "and yet there seems to be many believers who feel they do not have to do anything...If you were not including me in this category, could you please explain what you meant about his?

I don't recall side stepping but here goes again: I didn't say it, you said it: : "and yet there seems to be many believers who feel they do not have to do anything"

RJ Hi,
Since you can not seem to stay on track and continue to make add ins such as staying saved and what if I die with a sin and so forth.........That has nothing to do with what I first said or have tried to stay with.

I have only been talking about a born again spirit filled believer.
I said you have to want or be willing to seek God in these things.

What I am talking about has nothing to do with God forgiving our sins when we became born again nor have I ever said we have to confess every sin daily to stay saved........Those are some of the add ins that you have brought into this.

Now then you totally bypassed Mark 11:25..................so lets try one last time.
Tell me RJ.......is this scripture for us now ? Is this important ?
Please just answer this one question.......lol
Talk to you soon.............
Jim