The Angelic Prince That Shall Come

[Stephen1]

The return of Abaddon-Apollyon, a fallen angelic prince, is a given in scripture and just who the human little human horn that this fallen angelic will possess is not known yet. [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 17:8]

The little horn, a human king, will appear in the northern Middle East rising up among 10 other Middle Eastern kings who will follow him at the time of the end .... his appearance will occur just at the beginning of the tribulation period. [Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 11:36-45; Revelation 9:1-11; 17:8]

Abaddon-Apollyon is the first beast of Revelation who will come out of the abyss .... released by satan himself. Here the term "beast" is used to describe a fallen angelic. [Revelation 9:1; 9:11; 17:8]

This term is used differently in Daniel's visions and symbolizes the succession of different Middle Eastern empires ... three historical and the future and last of Abaddon-Apollyon's human dominions. [Daniel 7;3-7 ....three of these are historical (neo-Babylon, Persia, and Syrio/Babylonia); the fourth will emerge at the time of the end]

This final dominion will include two phases ... a 6th smaller dominion in the northern Middle East followed quickly by an expanded dominion of the region with 10 other kings. [Daniel 8:9; Revelation 17:10-14]

His presence on the earth and actions are noted specifically in chapters 9, 11, 13, 14, 16, 17, and 19. He is the "angelic prince" that shall come to rule again and stand against the Messiah Prince ....Jesus Christ at the time of the end [Daniel 8:9-12; 9:24-27].

This beast [in the little horn] will conquer the Middle East including Israel, and will fend off all other national opposition including the noted destruction of the "great city" [civilization] of the Gentiles [Revelation 17,18].

Those who oppose his rule from the south, far east, and far north outside of the Middle East proper will be vanquished [Daniel 11:40-44].

The Lord's two Israelite prophets will stand for the Lord against this entity and his false prophet [also a fallen angelic who will manifest in two human cleric leaders of the two main branches of Islam] during his 42 month rule of a conquered Israel [last 1,260 days of the 7 year tribulation period]. [Revelation 11; 13:11]

The Lord will protect His two prophets during their service which will take place in Jerusalem, which will be occupied by the little horn and his followers .... the adherents of Islam.

The Lord will then turn on him and his human followers and destroy them in the next 30 days consumating in the battle of Armageddon [Revelation 14, 16, 19].

The beast and the false prophet will be destroyed in the lake of fire [only the Lord can destroy angelics], the little horn and his followers will become bird food and their remains will be buried by Israel, and satan will be tossed into the same abyss where the beast was before his release [Revelation 19,20].

Mohammud's claims of a visitation by the angel Gabriel were false and he was most likely visited by satan himself .... or it is possible that he just made the whole story up to support his ambitions of control and conquest.

The situation in the Middle East today is ripe for the coming of the "other prince" .... the "Mahdi" of the Islamic nation.

 

[MightyAngel1]

The return of Abaddon-Apollyon, a fallen angelic prince, is a given in scripture and just who the human little human horn that this fallen angelic will possess is not known yet. [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 17:8]

Howdy Stephen!

You are right. Know one knows but he is right around the corner waiting in the wings to be revealed to the whole world.

Stephen1--The little horn, a human king, will appear in the northern Middle East rising up among 10 other Middle Eastern kings who will follow him at the time of the end .... his appearance will occur just at the beginning of the tribulation period. [Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 11:36-45; Revelation 9:1-11; 17:8]

At the beginning of the Tribulation period, There will be 10 Kings and 10 Kingdoms and the man of sin of 2 Thessalonians 2:3. At the midpoint of the Tribulation period, There will be 7 Kings and 10 Kingdoms and the antichrist of 2 Thessalonians 2:4. Revelation 13:1.

Stephen1--Abaddon-Apollyon is the first beast of Revelation who will come out of the abyss .... released by satan himself. Here the term "beast" is used to describe a fallen angelic. [Revelation 9:1; 9:11; 17:8]

Are you sure that Abaddon is released by satan? Who has the keys of death, hell and the grave? According to Revelation 1:18, The Resurrected Christ does. Satan does not have these keys anymore.

Therefore, The Star that falls from heaven in Revelation 9:1 is an angel of God. The next question to ask is...Whose tormenting wrath is this? Why tormenting wrath?

Because according to Revelation 9:6, men shall seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
That does not sound like the devil to me. See John 10:10a and 1 Peter 5:8.

But, Jesus said that He came that they might have life and life more abundantly. See John 10:10b. Since these people seek to die and cannot die, The conclusion is that Christ is giving them every chance to repent during these 5 months of tormenting wrath from the scorpions.

Stephen1--This term is used differently in Daniel's visions and symbolizes the succession of different Middle Eastern empires ... three historical and the future and last of Abaddon-Apollyon's human dominions. [Daniel 7;3-7 ....three of these are historical (neo-Babylon, Persia, and Syrio/Babylonia); the fourth will emerge at the time of the end]

According to Revelation 17:9-11, There are 8 Kingdoms that come against Israel in the Times of the Gentiles. See Luke 21:24. The Times of the Gentiles runs from Genesis 43 to Revelation 16 and the Battle of Armageddon.

These 8 Kingdoms are...Egypt, Assyria, Babylonia, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome which was the Kingdom in place during Christ's Earthly Ministry.

Now, That is only 6 Kingdoms. But, Looking at Revelation 17:9-11 once again, You will see what Daniel describes in Daniel 2 when he interpreted King Nebachaneezer's dream.

In Daniel's 70th Week, The First Kingdom that we see in place is the Revised Roman Empire led by the Man of Sin of 2 Thessalonians 2:3 and Revelation 6:2. This Revised Roman Empire will last for the first 42 months of the Tribulation period.

Under the 7th Kingdom, The Revised Roman Empire, The 144,000 of Revelation 7:1-8 preach the Gospel of the Kingdom as prophesied by Jesus Christ in Matthew 24:14.

The Last Empire that we see in Daniel's 70th Week is the Revived Grecian Empire headed up by the antichrist of 2 Thessalonians 2:4. See Revelation 13:1. This Revived Grecian Empire will last for the final 42 months of the Tribulation period.

During this Kingdom, The Revived Grecian Empire, an angel will fly through the air having the everlasting Gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth. Revelation 14:6-7.

Why an angel? Because, The 144,000 have been raptured into Heaven and 2/3 of the panagureis have now been killed. The Remaining remnant of the Seed of Jacob multiplied as the dust of the earth, that is 1/3 of them, are not even in Israel. They have fled, see Revelation 12:6 and are in hiding until Christ returns.

Stephen1--This final dominion will include two phases ... a 6th smaller dominion in the northern Middle East followed quickly by an expanded dominion of the region with 10 other kings. [Daniel 8:9; Revelation 17:10-14]

His presence on the earth and actions are noted specifically in chapters 9, 11, 13, 14, 16, 17, and 19. He is the "angelic prince" that shall come to rule again and stand against the Messiah Prince ....Jesus Christ at the time of the end [Daniel 8:9-12; 9:24-27].

This beast [in the little horn] will conquer the Middle East including Israel, and will fend off all other national opposition including the noted destruction of the "great city" [civilization] of the Gentiles [Revelation 17,18].

Those who oppose his rule from the south, far east, and far north outside of the Middle East proper will be vanquished [Daniel 11:40-44].

The Lord's two Israelite prophets will stand for the Lord against this entity and his false prophet [also a fallen angelic who will manifest in two human cleric leaders of the two main branches of Islam] during his 42 month rule of a conquered Israel [last 1,260 days of the 7 year tribulation period]. [Revelation 11; 13:11]

The Lord will protect His two prophets during their service which will take place in Jerusalem, which will be occupied by the little horn and his followers .... the adherents of Islam.

The 2 witnesses of Revelation 11:3-4 after their 42 month ministry in the first half of Daniel's 70th Week are killed and lay in the streets for 3 1/2 days. See Revelation 11:11. They are killed before the 7th Trumpet sounds.

Stephen--The Lord will then turn on him and his human followers and destroy them in the next 30 days consumating in the battle of Armageddon [Revelation 14, 16, 19].

When the 7th Trumpet sounds in Revelation 11:15, There is 42 months left before Christ returns to this earth in all of His Glory and Power.

Stephen--The beast and the false prophet will be destroyed in the lake of fire [only the Lord can destroy angelics],

Well, According to Scripture, Satan is cast into the Lake of Fire, See Revelation 20:10, where the Bible says that the beast and false prophet ARE and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever!!!
So, The Beast, the false prophet, and satan are never destroyed. They are tormented forever and ever in the Lake of Fire where they will burn and not be consumed by the flames.

Stephen--the little horn and his followers will become bird food and their remains will be buried by Israel, and satan will be tossed into the same abyss where the beast was before his release [Revelation 19,20].

Mohammud's claims of a visitation by the angel Gabriel were false and he was most likely visited by satan himself .... or it is possible that he just made the whole story up to support his ambitions of control and conquest.

The situation in the Middle East today is ripe for the coming of the "other prince" .... the "Mahdi" of the Islamic nation.

So, Do you think this mahdi is going to show up?

God Bless You!

 

[Stephen1]

"Satan does not have these keys anymore."

>The Lord does not "fall" from heaven

>This is satan who will be allowed to release Abaddon-Apollyon [2Thessalonians 2:8-9]

[Revelation 9:1; 9>11; 12:12; 13:2]

>The little horn/beast will rise out of the northern Middle East [Upper Tigris/Euphrates river basin] [Ezekiel 38; Daniel 8:9; 11:36-45; Micah 5:5]

 

[MightyAngel1]

MA1--"Satan does not have these keys anymore."

>The Lord does not "fall" from heaven

Howdy Stephen!

I did not say He did. I said an angel of God. An Angel of God is a trusted messenger of the Lord. The Word Fall in Revelation 9:1 comes from the Greek Word pipto which usually means to fall. This Greek Word also stems from The Greek Word petomai which is a verb which means to fly.

Therefore, The Star that falls in Revelation 9:1 doesn't necessarily fall as we understand the term of fall but fly's out of heaven and comes to the bottomless pit with the keys to this pit. God does not trust the devil by the way.

Stephen-->This is satan who will be allowed to release Abaddon-Apollyon [2Thessalonians 2:8-9]

The Antichrist is being described here in 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9. The Antichrist is a real live human being. Satan is a spiritual being.

I don't know of any human being who can see the Spiritual world. Much less even open a bottomless pit that cannot be detected with the naked eye.

Stephen--[Revelation 9:1; 9>11; 12:12; 13:2]

Revelation 9:1 is a trusted angel of God. Revelation 9:11 is the fallen angel of the abyss who is there right now bound in chains known as the destroyer or Abaddon. See Jude 1:6.

Revelation 12:12 describes satan himself, i.e. diablos in the Greek, who is a spiritual being. Revelation 13:2 is the antichrist of 2 Thessalonians 2:4. A real live human being who sits in the Jewish Temple and desecrates this Temple in Jerusalem during that last 42 months of the Tribulation period.

Stephen>--The little horn/beast will rise out of the northern Middle East [Upper Tigris/Euphrates river basin] [Ezekiel 38; Daniel 8:9; 11:36-45; Micah 5:5]

In your honest opinion, Is the Antichrist Jewish? Or, Is He Gentile?

God Bless You!

 

[Stephen1]

The little horn/beast is called the "Assyrian" in prophetic scripture [Micah 5]

He will be the arch enemy of national Israel during the tribulation period and will be a Middle Eastern king .... not Jewish [not an Israelite]

 

[MightyAngel1]

The little horn/beast is called the "Assyrian" in prophetic scripture [Micah 5]

He will be the arch enemy of national Israel during the tribulation period and will be a Middle Eastern king .... not Jewish [not an Israelite]

Howdy Stephen!

Very good. I do not believe that He is Jewish either. I believe that he is Gentile. Now, As the antichrist, Which 42 month period does he occupy in the Tribulation period?

Note: People who know me very well will tell you that I like splitting hairs. I do that for a very specific Biblical reason.

God Bless You!

 

[Stephen1]

He will invade Israel at the middle of the 70th week decreed for the nation [Ezekiel 38:8-12; Daniel 9:26; Zechariah 14:1-5; Matthew 24:15-16; Luke 21:20; Revelation 12:13-14] and will rule the holy land, Jerusalem, and the temple mount for the second 1,260 days [Revelation 11:2] .... then the Lord will turn on him and his followers in the next 30 days [Micah 5; Revelation 16]

 

[MightyAngel1]

He will invade Israel at the middle of the 70th week decreed for the nation [Ezekiel 38:8-12; Daniel 9:26; Zechariah 14:1-5; Matthew 24:15-16; Luke 21:20; Revelation 12:13-14] and will rule the holy land, Jerusalem, and the temple mount for the second 1,260 days [Revelation 11:2] .... then the Lord will turn on him and his followers in the next 30 days [Micah 5; Revelation 16]

Howdy Stephen!

I agree with you on this point--The Antichrist invades Israel and Jerusalem at the Midpoint of the Tribulation period taking over the Holy City and the Temple ceasing animal sacrifices and oblations. See Daniel 9:27a. So, Let us back up 42 months to the beginning of the Tribulation period in Revelation 6.

Where is Elijah and the other witness of Revelation Chapter 11:3-4 at the beginning of the Tribulation period? Where do you place them?

God Bless You!

 

[Stephen1]

Correct .... Revelation 6:12-17 is the beginning of the Lord's hour of trial .... Matthew 24:29-31 is the ending [the careful reader will note the differences between these two passages of scripture] .... 2,550 days will separate these two frames of the coming tribulation period

Elijah has already come before the great and terrible day of the Lord .... this was John the Baptist just as the Lord said [Matthew 17:11-13] .... and he did come before .... the Lord has delayed his second advent to judge and unbelieving world

The time frame of His coming hour of trial is still pending and there is nothing in the scope of the prophetic visions regarding past events on the earth between His first advent and the beginning of His next

This breach in the time lapse of prophecy needs to be set aside just as if the 70th week immediately follows the 69th .... it does in the scope of the visions .... knowing this truth will give one correct rendering of the prophetic time line

The Lord's two prophets will appear in Jerusalem during the 42 month rule of satan's beast .... the second 1,260 days of the 70th week decreed

The believing remnant of Israel that flees from the beast's invasion of Israel into the Jordanian wilderness will be there during this same time frame .... waiting for the Lord to come and rescue them from the beast's surrounding armies .... this He will do ... and then He will proceed to route and devastate the beast and his followers in the next 30 days [Isaiah 34:6; 63:1; Mcah 5; Revelation 16]

These two prophets will operate directly in the face of the beast and his followers and they will be supernaturally protected until the Lord allows their killing .... then He will raise and immortalize them as all look on[Revelation 11]

This will astound and terrify the followers of the beast and will show that the Lord is in the process .... the next event will involve the destruction of the beast and his kingdom consumating at Armageddon

 

[MightyAngel1]

Correct .... Revelation 6:12-17 is the beginning of the Lord's hour of trial .... Matthew 24:29-31 is the ending [the careful reader will note the differences between these two passages of scripture]

Howdy Stephen!

We stand in agreement here.

Stephen--.... 2,550 days will separate these two frames of the coming tribulation period

But, I do not agree here. Based on the Law of God, The separation between Revelation 6 and Matthew 24:29-31 is precisely 2520 days. Not 2550 days.

According to the Law of God, This precise separation comes from Daniel 9:24. The 70th Week is 1 Week of Years which is precisely 7 years. Based on the Jewish Calendar of 30 days per month, The Math is extremely accurate. Converting years to days yields--7 years X 360 days = 2520 days.

Stephen--Elijah has already come before the great and terrible day of the Lord .... this was John the Baptist just as the Lord said [Matthew 17:11-13] .... and he did come before .... the Lord has delayed his second advent to judge and unbelieving world

Elijah, in the Old Testament, was a real live human being. Elijah has never tasted death because he was taken up by a fiery chariot and has been in Heaven ever since.

Now, in Matthew 17:11 Jesus says Elijah shall truly first come, and restore all things. The question to ask is...What is Elijah going to restore? The answer is given. The answer is all things. Now, We must define Biblically what all things are.

But, Before we do, Let us look at verses 12-13. Jesus continues with...

12. But I say unto you, That Elijah is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

Since Elijah has never tasted death and is in heaven at this time, John the Baptist came in the power and spirit of Elijah to prepare the way of the Lord Jesus Christ. See Matthew 3:1-3. This proves that Elijah and John the Baptist are not the same person.

John the Baptist did before the First Advent of Christ, That is prepared the way of the Lord, what Elijah will do before the Second Advent of Jesus Christ which is the very same thing that John the Baptist did.

Elijah, in person standing in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount in front of the rebuilt Jewish Temple, will prepare the way of the Lord by bringing back the Law of Moses. See Malachi 4:4-6. Also, See Hosea 3:4-5.

What will be the message or Gospel? The very same Gospel of John the Baptist. Repent ye, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. This is the Gospel of the Kingdom of Matthew 24:14 and the Gospel of Circumcision of Galatians 2:7 preached by Peter.

By bringing back the Law of Moses, The Jewish People in the Tribulation period will be able to resume sacrifices and oblations as shown in Daniel 9:27 at the beginning of the Tribulation period.

Stephen--[/b[The time frame of His coming hour of trial is still pending and there is nothing in the scope of the prophetic visions regarding past events on the earth between His first advent and the beginning of His next

This breach in the time lapse of prophecy needs to be set aside just as if the 70th week immediately follows the 69th .... it does in the scope of the visions .... knowing this truth will give one correct rendering of the prophetic time line

The Lord's two prophets will appear in Jerusalem during the 42 month rule of satan's beast .... the second 1,260 days of the 70th week decreed

No, They will not. They are in the Tribulation period during the first 42 months under the 7th Kingdom which is the Revised Roman Empire. Why? Because John the Baptist prepared the way of the Lord under the 6th Kingdom which was the Roman Empire.

Don't You see the pattern here? You are changing the pattern. A very big NO NO. You do not change patterns in Scripture.

Stephen--These two prophets will operate directly in the face of the beast and his followers and they will be supernaturally protected until the Lord allows their killing .... then He will raise and immortalize them as all look on[Revelation 11]

This will astound and terrify the followers of the beast and will show that the Lord is in the process .... the next event will involve the destruction of the beast and his kingdom consumating at Armageddon

The 2 Witnesses of Revelation 11:3-4 die and lay in the streets for 3 1/2 days and are then resurrected and called up into Heaven before the 7th Trumpet sounds.

When The 7th Trumpet sounds, The The Third Woe cometh quickly which is followed by the 7 Vials that is poured out onto the 8th Kingdom, which is the Revived Grecian Empire, and the antichrist one by one in successive order.

When the 7th Trumpet sounds indicates that there are 42 months left before Christ returns back to this earth.

The mere fact that an Angel of the Lord fly's through the air preaching the Everlasting Gospel in Revelation 14:6-7 clearly indicates and proves that Elijah and the other witness are not there but have already been called up into heaven. See Revelation 11:12.

Once the last vial is poured out which will end the last 42 months of Daniel's 70th Week, Then Christ returns and fights the Battle of Armageddon.

God Bless You!

 

[Stephen1]

Not 2550 days.

>Daniel's vision in chapter 12 adds the 30 days to the second 1,260 ... this 30 days is part of the Lord's hour of trial during which He will turn on the beast and His kingdom [Revelation 16] .... then the tribulation period will be over

>The 11 the chapter of Revelation places the Lord's two prophets during the last 1,260 days in conjunction with the 42 month occupation of the temple mount by the beast and his followers and the position of those who flee "Judaea" [Israel] and are protected during the same 1,260 days as noted in chapter 12

>Revelation 14 is a repeat of chapter 7 regarding the 144,000 who will carry the gospel during the tribulation period .... these will begin at the very onset of the tribulation and will continue for the entire period

>The great city of MBG will also fall just at the beginning of the tribulation period and the first judgment of the period .... compare 8:7-12 with chapter 18 .... the burning mountain [kingdom] .... the millstone [18:21] and the burning of the great city

>Chapter 18 is the same event and repeated with further details .... also note that the Lord's "harpazo" action is recorded in 18:4 and just before the destruction of the great city of MBG

>Revelation's literary sequencing is repetitive, not linear, and it revolves as events move forward

>I would say that Elijah of the O.T. record was not immortalzed and is still sleeping in death .... the Lord did supernaturally change his condition and position, but there is no indication of his change to immortality

> Elijah was seen with the Lord during His transfiguration on the mountain, but this was a vision projecting the future coming of the Lord's kingdom

>Neither do I think that Enoch has been immortalized yet, but was taken in death before the flood came

>All who belonged to the Lord of the past must be subjected to the same sequence of resurrection to immortality as indicated in 1Corinthians 15:22-23

... and the Roman Empire is not included in the scope of the visions, but existed in the breach between the end of the 69th week and the beginning of the 70th .... the beast was "not" during ancient Roman rule .... his last rule of the past [his 5th] was over Syrio/Babylonia just before the first century and he will come out of the abyss to rule the Middle East again during the coming tribulation period

>His 6th dominion [kingdom] will be the one that "is" at the beginning of the future tribulation period .... a smaller kingdom that will be expanded into the 7th

>John was shown the things to come "hereafter' .... the tribulation period and beyond .... not events of the first century and up to this day

 

[MightyAngel1]

Not 2550 days.

>Daniel's vision in chapter 12 adds the 30 days to the second 1,260 ... this 30 days is part of the Lord's hour of trial during which He will turn on the beast and His kingdom [Revelation 16] .... then the tribulation period will be over

Howdy Stephen!

The Bible says Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days...

Do you see that? Immediately after. If you can't see that, please let me know. Thank you.

Now, The Tribulation period of Daniel 9:27 is One Week of Years per Daniel 9:24. The Law of God DICTATES that this time is 2520 days. No more. No less. And, No man can change this. Not even you!

Therefore, From Revelation 6:2 to Revelation 16:21 is 2520 days. Immediately after these 2520 days, Daniel's 75 Day Gap occurs per Daniel 12:11-12.

Once The Law of God has been satisfied, Then, A new period begins. What period is this? Daniel's 75 Day gap of Daniel 12:11-12. Now, What happens in this 75 day period? Well, This 75 day period has 2 parts. The first 30 days and the last 45 days.

The First 30 days consists of the following events which occur immediately after the Tribulation period per Matthew 24:29...

1) Jesus leaves heaven--Revelation 19:11.
2) The Battle of Armageddon--The Antichrist and false prophet are killed, then resurrected and immediately cast into the Lake of Fire. And, Satan is bound for 1000 years--Revelation 19:20-21; Revelation 20:1-3.
3) Jesus sets His feet on the Mount of Olives--Zechariah 14:4
4) The Gathering of the Seed of Jacob multiplied as the dust of the earth at the foot of the Mount of Olives--Zechariah 14:5; Matthew 24:31
5) Jesus Christ and His Father walk through the Muslim cemetery set up my Suhlamon the Magnificent in 1517 AD--Historical Fact
6) Jesus and His Father walk through the Bricked up Eastern Gates of the City of Jerusalem--Psalm 24:7-11
7) Jesus and His Father enter into the Inner Sanctuary of the Tabernacle of David on the Temple Mount--Leviticus 16:30
8) Leviticus 16:30-33 occurs per Daniel 7:13-14 and Luke 1:32:33
9) Christ fulfills the Feast of the Great Day of Atonement of Leviticus 23:27.
10) Then, Christ sits on the Throne of His Glory per Matthew 25:31 and all nations are gathered before Him where He will separate the sheep from the goats in the Holy City of Jerusalem right here on this earth

When the Judgment of the Nations is complete, Then, The last 45 days of Daniel's 75 Day Gap will begin to prepare the earth for Christ's 1000 year Reign in Jerusalem, Israel. Revelation 20:4; Matthew 19:28.

Stephen-->The 11 the chapter of Revelation places the Lord's two prophets during the last 1,260 days in conjunction with the 42 month occupation of the temple mount by the beast and his followers and the position of those who flee "Judaea" [Israel] and are protected during the same 1,260 days as noted in chapter 12

You need to tell me why you have to change the Law of God. The Law of God does not agree with what you are teaching here. May I make a suggestion?

Why don't you walk me through the Law of God through the entire Book of Revelation. You will see just how many times what you teach ain't cuttin the mustard.

Stephen-->Revelation 14 is a repeat of chapter 7 regarding the 144,000 who will carry the gospel during the tribulation period .... these will begin at the very onset of the tribulation and will continue for the entire period

No They won't. They are raptured at the midpoint of the Tribulation period into Heaven. We see them in Heaven standing with Jesus in Revelation 14:1-5.

Stephen-->The great city of MBG will also fall just at the beginning of the tribulation period and the first judgment of the period .... compare 8:7-12 with chapter 18 .... the burning mountain [kingdom] .... the millstone [18:21] and the burning of the great city

MBG does not fall until the last 42 months occur. Revelation Chapters 17-18 are inset Chapters. These 2 Chapters explain what happens during the last 42 months of the Tribulation period. What you are doing here is mixing the last 42 months with the first 42 months. A very BIG NO NO NO NO NO!!

Stephen-->Chapter 18 is the same event and repeated with further details .... also note that the Lord's "harpazo" action is recorded in 18:4 and just before the destruction of the great city of MBG

The Greek Word used in Revelation 18:4 is exerchomai--Strong's Greek Number 1831. This Greek Word means go out, come, depart, go, go forth, come out, or come forth.

The Greek Word harpazo Strong's Greek Number 726 means catch up, take up by force, catch away, pluck, catch, or pull.

As anyone can see, These Two Greek Words do not have the very same meaning. Therefore, in Revelation 18:4 a much different situation is occurring. Not what you are teaching. No one is leaving the earth here in Revelation 18:4.

Stephen-->Revelation's literary sequencing is repetitive, not linear, and it revolves as events move forward

So, You have 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets, and 7 Vials. And, All of these different Judgments are absolutely the same judgment to you. This tells me that your 70th Week is only 42 months in length instead of 84 months as the Law of God decrees.

Stephen-->I would say that Elijah of the O.T. record was not immortalzed and is still sleeping in death .... the Lord did supernaturally change his condition and position, but there is no indication of his change to immortality

Elijah is not dead. Elijah has never died. Elijah has never been buried.

Stephen-->Elijah was seen with the Lord during His transfiguration on the mountain, but this was a vision projecting the future coming of the Lord's kingdom

And, Elijah was standing in this vision a real live human being talking with Jesus Christ and Moses.

Stephen-->Neither do I think that Enoch has been immortalized yet, but was taken in death before the flood came

I just find this fascinating. The Bible says that Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. Genesis 5:24. Now, The Bible declares that Enoch is NOT DEAD.

The Bible also declares that God is not the God of the dead but the God of the LIVING!!! Mark 12:27. Therefore, Enoch and Elijah are still alive. They are NOT DEAD!!!!!!

Stepen-->All who belonged to the Lord of the past must be subjected to the same sequence of resurrection to immortality as indicated in 1Corinthians 15:22-23

Do you include those Jewish Saints here in Matthew 27:52-53?

Stephen... and the Roman Empire is not included in the scope of the visions, but existed in the breach between the end of the 69th week and the beginning of the 70th .... the beast was "not" during ancient Roman rule .... his last rule of the past [his 5th] was over Syrio/Babylonia just before the first century and he will come out of the abyss to rule the Middle East again during the coming tribulation period

>His 6th dominion [kingdom] will be the one that "is" at the beginning of the future tribulation period .... a smaller kingdom that will be expanded into the 7th

Revelation 17:9-11 is very clear. There are 8 Mountain Kingdoms. These 8 Mountain Kingdoms are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome.......Revised Rome, 7th Kingdom of the first 42 months of the Tribulation period and Revived Greece, 8th Kingdom of the last 42 months of the Tribulation period.

All 8 Mountain Kingdoms occur during the Times of the Gentiles of Luke 21:24. From Genesis 43 to Revelation 16:21.

Stephen-->John was shown the things to come "hereafter' .... the tribulation period and beyond .... not events of the first century and up to this day

John was given a specific instruction to write to the 7 Churches found in Revelation Chapters 2-3. Then, After this (Church Age)...Come up hither!!!! See also Revelation 11:12 for the 2 Witnesses. These 2 Witnesses will hear Come up hither!!!!

Fascinating isn't!

God Bless You!

 

[Stephen1]

"Fascinating isn't!"

>That it is .... but you and I are miles apart on many of the renderings of the prophetic scriptures just as I stated at the onset

>Good luck with your studies ..... you need more time in seeking the Lord for His teaching

>He will withhold nothing from those who seek in earnest and with pure motive

 

[MightyAngel1]

"Fascinating isn't!"

>That it is .... but you and I are miles apart on many of the renderings of the prophetic scriptures just as I stated at the onset

Howdy Stephen!

Well, We do agree on a few points. Just a few. But, as you can see, I am staunchly PreTribulation.

Stephen-->Good luck with your studies ..... you need more time in seeking the Lord for His teaching

Thanks. As you can see, God's Law is the Standard of Excellence in understanding End Time Bible Prophecy. There is no other Standard.

Please remember this...The Law of God always separates the Barley from the Wheat. And, The Law of God also does this...The Law of God always separates the Barley from those who think they are wheat. Fascinating isn't.

Always. The Law of God never fails.

God Bless You!

 

[johnny botwrigh]

The battle of Armageddon.

Does not the battle of Armageddon, take place after, satan has been bound for a thousand years,
and mog and gog come out of the far north, like and avalanche, and are halted at Isreal, God defeating them, with a massive earth Quake.

God bless johnny

 

[Jaareshiah]

At Revelation 9:11, the word “Abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” The corresponding Greek name Apollyon means “Destroyer.” In the past century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as Emperor Vespasian, Muhammad, and even Napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.”

It should be noted, however, that at Revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be God’s representative from heaven, and instead of being “satanic,” this angel binds and throws Satan into the abyss. Commenting on Revelation 9:11, The Interpreter’s Bible says: “Abaddon, however, is an angel not of Satan but of God, performing his work of destruction at God’s bidding.”

In Hebrew the word ’avad·dohn´ means “destruction” and may also refer to “the place of destruction.” It appears in the original Hebrew text a total of five times, and in four of the occurrences it is used to parallel “the burial place,” “Sheol,” and “death.” (Ps 88:11; Job 26:6; 28:22; Prov 15:11) The word ’avad·dohn´ in these texts evidently refers to the destructive processes that ensue with human death, and these scriptures indicate that decay or destruction takes place in Sheol, the common grave of mankind.

In the Hebrew scriptures, commonly called the Old Testament, ’avad·dohn´ is thus paralleled with Sheol and death. At Revelation 1:18 we find Christ Jesus stating: “I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.” His power with regard to the abyss is shown at Luke 8:31.

That he has destroying power, including the power of destruction over Satan, is evident from Hebrews 2:14, which says that Jesus partook of blood and flesh in order that “through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil.” At Revelation 19:11-16 he is clearly represented as God’s appointed Destroyer or Executioner.

 

[Stephen1]

"Does not the battle of Armageddon, take place after, satan has been bound for a thousand years"

>No ..... check the sequence of Revelation 19:11-21 and 20:1-3 .... Armageddon first .... then satan is bound for 1000 years during the Lord's millennial kingdom on the earth so that he cannot deceive the nations of the millennium

>After the 1000 years are over satan will be released to create another human rebellion [Revelation 20:7-10]

>Satan is referred to as "gog" in both visions [Ezekiel 38, 39 .... Revelation 20:8]