The Coming Culmination of Apostasies into One World Church

[GodB4Us]

They were not preaching Jesus Christ & Him crucified but preaching for the supernatural sign of tongues for receiving the Holy Ghost even though they were already saved believers.

They only assume they were speaking & singing in many languages when there was no interpretation going on. What is the point when they all spoke English?

Do note how some have testified of being knocked down by the "Holy Ghost".

Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.
27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.
28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

This is what happens when the Holy Ghost is the focus and the spotlight in the worship service, thus looking for a supernatural phenomenon.

They were not focusing on the Son of God for this "revival" to occur for why they were following a voice of strangers, i.e. tongues for private use as there were no interpretation..

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

From seeking tongues as evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost at their salvation....

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

.....to already saved believers seeking to receive the Holy Ghost "again" apart from salvation by that sign of tongues or by the evidence of tongues....yet tongues were never to serve as a sign to believers for any thing.

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

My former neighbor whom was a believer all her life that had lived across the street, changed the testimony to when she was saved to that moment when she felt the Holy Ghost come over her, giving her tongues in her kitchen reading her Bible that day. She used that moment as a sign or roof that she was saved then.

Joyce Meyers said she felt the Holy Ghost come over her giving her tongues as a sign she was called into the ministry.

In the archives of the Catholic Church in referring to one of their "church" fathers that because tongues was still being practiced within, they saw it as proof that they were still keeping the doctrines within.

They are all wrong for why that was not the Holy Spirit that came over them later in life in giving them tongues which did not come with interpretation for God to speak unto others by.

Then saved believers began seeking a continual filling of the Spirit for other signs too like for a healing as in Ernst Angeley's Healing Crusade where he would announce the falling of the Holy Ghost in saved believers to bring about miracles by tapping them on the forehead to cause them to fall backwards in a loss of self control.

Then you have slain in the spirit phenomenon, holy laughter movement, Pensacola Outpouring, and the Toronto's Blessings for other signs & lying wonders with the focus on the Holy Spirit in worship.

All of this can be seen as culminating to the event whereby an even greater apostasy shall come about in the church in these latter days and somehow after the rapture, it will be revealed as the one world church where every body could speak in tongues, lose self control for other signs and lying wonders, but by then the left behind Christians that has been led astray will finally depart from that iniquity in not joining that one world church as the beast shall make war on the saints to kill them by the sword or by starvation because the left behind saints & new believers will not take the mark to buy & sell to survive in the coming New World Order, let alone serve the beast of this One World Church.

 

[GodB4Us]

Again, the iniquity is putting the focus on the Holy Spirit as if He is Another Go To God to come to God the Father by when Jesus is the only way to God the Father for anything.

So in spite of the miracles.... take heed and beware of this apostasy in these latter days of broadening the way in worship by adding the Holy Ghost when Jesus is the only way to come to God the Father by..

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it....

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Once again, to avoid the iniquity in these latter days, narrow your focus unto the Son in worship or risk being left behind from the Marriage Supper above as there is only one way to honor the Father and that is by only honoring the Son.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Luke 12:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.
30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

Note "whence" in verse 25 as the iniquity of what direction you take to God the Father matters when it is not by the only way of the Son. You cannot honor the Trinity nor the Holy Spirit because that is not the same as only honoring the Son if any one wishes to honor God the Father by.

Do those in those apostate movement address the Holy Spirit in prayer and worship and yet confusion comes with saved believers losing self control and falling? God is NOT the author of confusion and tongues for private use is confusion.

1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. <---- losing self control is evidence of those spirits not being subjected to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. <----- when tongues are for private use & supposedly claiming it has many benefits, confusion reigns as to what that tongue is actually doing

The real God's gift of tongues is for speaking unto the people in their native language for why in the assembly, it will come with interpretation. It will not be the world's pagan supernatural tongue of gibberish nonsense for which God is not the author of as it is confusion.

Do not be surprised that as they show videos of these revivals of apostasy on Youtube, bragging about miracles & such, that another even bigger revival may very well be coming, that could lead into the One World Church after the rapture.

 

[GodB4Us]

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Verse 12 above in orange is referring to judgment on those saints to be left behind as they shall be damned as vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood & earth, but still in His House, for not departing from this iniquity as verse 20 testify in 2 Timothy 2:19-21 KJV. <--- click on scripture reference to see the scripture in the KJV at Bible Gateway

Note how Paul continues on addressing those that have fallen away from the faith in 2 Thessalonians 2nd chapter as still brothers in the next chapter.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:
2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.
4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.
5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.
6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you

14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

So there is a damnation by being left behind to be resurrected after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood and earth, to serve the King of kings on earth for the millennium reign of Christ.

 

[GodB4Us]

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

It is happening now in these latter days. May the Lord wake up some that have gone astray to lean on Him to repent by shunning tongues for private use and pray normally to give the Father thanks for answer to known prayers which is the will of God for us to do that the devil would prevent us from doing by babbling in what you think is prayer, never knowing what was said, preventing you from giving your prayer in order to give the Father thanks for answers to known prayers.

1 Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

 

[GodB4Us]

Those saints that chase after the Holy Spirit, and even after they experience that phenomenon, have a hunger for more of God.. for more of that phenomenon, and they get it too, but Jesus promised this.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

That is what they get for heeding an invitation that Jesus never gave but to Himself in coming to God the Father by for why those who heed His words, do not hunger nor thirst any more for they are always Spirit filled since salvation.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

 

[Bill]

They were not preaching Jesus Christ & Him crucified but preaching for the supernatural sign of tongues for receiving the Holy Ghost even though they were already saved believers.

They only assume they were speaking & singing in many languages when there was no interpretation going on. What is the point when they all spoke English?

Do note how some have testified of being knocked down by the "Holy Ghost".

Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.
27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.
28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

This is what happens when the Holy Ghost is the focus and the spotlight in the worship service, thus looking for a supernatural phenomenon.

They were not focusing on the Son of God for this "revival" to occur for why they were following a voice of strangers, i.e. tongues for private use as there were no interpretation..

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

From seeking tongues as evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost at their salvation....

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

.....to already saved believers seeking to receive the Holy Ghost "again" apart from salvation by that sign of tongues or by the evidence of tongues....yet tongues were never to serve as a sign to believers for any thing.

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

My former neighbor whom was a believer all her life that had lived across the street, changed the testimony to when she was saved to that moment when she felt the Holy Ghost come over her, giving her tongues in her kitchen reading her Bible that day. She used that moment as a sign or roof that she was saved then.

Joyce Meyers said she felt the Holy Ghost come over her giving her tongues as a sign she was called into the ministry.

In the archives of the Catholic Church in referring to one of their "church" fathers that because tongues was still being practiced within, they saw it as proof that they were still keeping the doctrines within.

They are all wrong for why that was not the Holy Spirit that came over them later in life in giving them tongues which did not come with interpretation for God to speak unto others by.

Then saved believers began seeking a continual filling of the Spirit for other signs too like for a healing as in Ernst Angeley's Healing Crusade where he would announce the falling of the Holy Ghost in saved believers to bring about miracles by tapping them on the forehead to cause them to fall backwards in a loss of self control.

Then you have slain in the spirit phenomenon, holy laughter movement, Pensacola Outpouring, and the Toronto's Blessings for other signs & lying wonders with the focus on the Holy Spirit in worship.

All of this can be seen as culminating to the event whereby an even greater apostasy shall come about in the church in these latter days and somehow after the rapture, it will be revealed as the one world church where every body could speak in tongues, lose self control for other signs and lying wonders, but by then the left behind Christians that has been led astray will finally depart from that iniquity in not joining that one world church as the beast shall make war on the saints to kill them by the sword or by starvation because the left behind saints & new believers will not take the mark to buy & sell to survive in the coming New World Order, let alone serve the beast of this One World Church.

Silly people . Was there an interpreter in the upper room ? Did anyone lay hands on the Apostles?

If God can do this for the saved Apostles, dont you think it can happen to others?

Btw if you will notice. The Apolstles were Christians before recieving the Holy Spirit. And they were baptised with water as well.

So there must be some truth to the words of John the Baptist, when he states " i baptize you with water, but the one who comes after me will baptize you in fire."

Many of you believe the water baptism and baptism of the Holy Spirit are one and the same. They are not.

 

[Bill]

Again, the iniquity is putting the focus on the Holy Spirit as if He is Another Go To God to come to God the Father by when Jesus is the only way to God the Father for anything.

So in spite of the miracles.... take heed and beware of this apostasy in these latter days of broadening the way in worship by adding the Holy Ghost when Jesus is the only way to come to God the Father by..

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it....

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Once again, to avoid the iniquity in these latter days, narrow your focus unto the Son in worship or risk being left behind from the Marriage Supper above as there is only one way to honor the Father and that is by only honoring the Son.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Luke 12:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.
30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

Note "whence" in verse 25 as the iniquity of what direction you take to God the Father matters when it is not by the only way of the Son. You cannot honor the Trinity nor the Holy Spirit because that is not the same as only honoring the Son if any one wishes to honor God the Father by.

Do those in those apostate movement address the Holy Spirit in prayer and worship and yet confusion comes with saved believers losing self control and falling? God is NOT the author of confusion and tongues for private use is confusion.

1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. <---- losing self control is evidence of those spirits not being subjected to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. <----- when tongues are for private use & supposedly claiming it has many benefits, confusion reigns as to what that tongue is actually doing

The real God's gift of tongues is for speaking unto the people in their native language for why in the assembly, it will come with interpretation. It will not be the world's pagan supernatural tongue of gibberish nonsense for which God is not the author of as it is confusion.

Do not be surprised that as they show videos of these revivals of apostasy on Youtube, bragging about miracles & such, that another even bigger revival may very well be coming, that could lead into the One World Church after the rapture.

Again you are being Silly . Try using that gift of discernment.

You could not see God working in that video? It was pretty obvious in my opinion

 

[Bill]

Those saints that chase after the Holy Spirit, and even after they experience that phenomenon, have a hunger for more of God.. for more of that phenomenon, and they get it too, but Jesus promised this.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

That is what they get for heeding an invitation that Jesus never gave but to Himself in coming to God the Father by for why those who heed His words, do not hunger nor thirst any more for they are always Spirit filled since salvation.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

That's right we do have a Hunger for More Of God. And you should have that hunger too.

Here let me quote that part you skipped over when you were quoting John 6:35, because it is the most important part in the whole scripture.

I tell you most solemnly if you do not eat the Flesh of the son of man and drink of his blood you will not have life in you anyone who does Eat My Flesh and drink my blood has eternal life and I shall raise him up on the last day for my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me and I live in him.

Luke 24:13
That very same day two of them were on their way to a village called Emmaus 7 miles from Jerusalem and they were talking together about all that had happened. Now as they talked over this Jesus himself came up and walked by their side but something prevented them from recognizing him.
He said to them what matters are you discussing as you walk along they stop short their face is downcast then one of them called Cleopas, answered him. You must be the only person staying in Jerusalem who does not know the things that have been happening here are these last few days. What things? Jesus asked. All about Jesus of Nazareth they answered who proved he was a great prophet by the things he said and did in the sight of God and the whole people., and how are chief priests and our leaders handed him over to be sentenced to death and had him crucified. Our own hope had been that he would be the one to set Israel free. And this is not all two whole days have gone by since it all happened and some women from our group have astounded us they went to the Tomb in the early morning and one day did not find the body they came back to tell us that they had seen a vision of angels who declared that he was alive. Some of our friends went to the tomb and found everything exactly as the women had reported but of him we saw nothing.

Then he said to them, you foolish men so slow to believe the full message of the prophets. Was it not ordained that the Christ should suffer and so enter into his glory?. Done starting with Moses and going through all the prophets he explained to them the passage is throughout the scripture that were about himself.

When they drew near to the Village to which they were going he made as if to go on but they pressed him to stay with them it is nearly evening they said and the day is almost over. So he went in to stay with them now while he was with them at the table he took the bread and said the blessing then he broke it and handed it to them. And there eyes were open and they recognize him but he had vanish from there sight.

Jesus walked with them, talked to them, spoke the scripture with them, but they still could not recognize Jesus.

It wasn't until he said the blessing and broke the bread, and handed it to them, that they finally recognized him.

You need to pay attention to this if you really wish to understand what is really important in the scripture the blessing of the Bread and Wine and to receive it.

 

[GodB4Us]

Silly people . Was there an interpreter in the upper room ? Did anyone lay hands on the Apostles?

If God can do this for the saved Apostles, dont you think it can happen to others?

Were they hyped up to look for the Holy Spirit to receive by a sign? Did they lose self control & fall down when receiving the Holy Ghost? But modern day seekers are seeking those things as a sign when Jesus said this Matthew 12:39-40

Btw if you will notice. The Apolstles were Christians before recieving the Holy Spirit. And they were baptised with water as well.

I have to disagree with you since His disciples were not saved until Pentecost as promised by Him for when one is born again of the Spirit after His ascension which is after His crucifixion for whenever any one believes in Him for eternal life in His answer to Nicodemus. John 3:7-16

So there must be some truth to the words of John the Baptist, when he states " i baptize you with water, but the one who comes after me will baptize you in fire."

Many of you believe the water baptism and baptism of the Holy Spirit are one and the same. They are not.

According to 1 Corinthians 1:17-21, water baptism has nothing to do with salvation, but by believing in Him is how one receives the remission of sins and the Holy Ghost per Acts 10:43-44 unlike the water baptism of John the Baptist's.

 

[GodB4Us]

Again you are being Silly . Try using that gift of discernment.

You could not see God working in that video? It was pretty obvious in my opinion

See any one preaching Jesus Christ & Him crucified as they did in the Book of Acts? I sure don't.

All I see is focusing on the Holy Spirit in seeking to receive Him by a supernatural sign in the flesh in violation of His warning in Matthew 12:39-40 How is that for discernment?

 

[GodB4Us]

That's right we do have a Hunger for More Of God. And you should have that hunger too.

But Jesus promised that all those that come to & believe in him shall never hunger nor thirst ever again per John 6:35 and so there is no overlooking there.

Here let me quote that part you skipped over when you were quoting John 6:35, because it is the most important part in the whole scripture.

I tell you most solemnly if you do not eat the Flesh of the son of man and drink of his blood you will not have life in you anyone who does Eat My Flesh and drink my blood has eternal life and I shall raise him up on the last day for my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood lives in me and I live in him.

No relevance in what you are trying to convey especially since He was not talking about communion if you are taking the Catholic route, but He was referring to His crucifixion.

If He was talking about communion, then for His word to be true in John 6:35, we only need t take communion one time and that is it, but since we are to do communion in remembrance of Him in proclaiming the Lord's death till He comes, then John 6:35 is not about coming to and believing in him in communion but simply coming to Him and believing in Him for eternal life for by believing in Him is how we receive the actual bread of life..

Luke 24:13
That very same day two of them were on their way to a village called Emmaus 7 miles from Jerusalem and they were talking together about all that had happened. Now as they talked over this Jesus himself came up and walked by their side but something prevented them from recognizing him.
He said to them what matters are you discussing as you walk along they stop short their face is downcast then one of them called Cleopas, answered him. You must be the only person staying in Jerusalem who does not know the things that have been happening here are these last few days. What things? Jesus asked. All about Jesus of Nazareth they answered who proved he was a great prophet by the things he said and did in the sight of God and the whole people., and how are chief priests and our leaders handed him over to be sentenced to death and had him crucified. Our own hope had been that he would be the one to set Israel free. And this is not all two whole days have gone by since it all happened and some women from our group have astounded us they went to the Tomb in the early morning and one day did not find the body they came back to tell us that they had seen a vision of angels who declared that he was alive. Some of our friends went to the tomb and found everything exactly as the women had reported but of him we saw nothing.

Then he said to them, you foolish men so slow to believe the full message of the prophets. Was it not ordained that the Christ should suffer and so enter into his glory?. Done starting with Moses and going through all the prophets he explained to them the passage is throughout the scripture that were about himself.

When they drew near to the Village to which they were going he made as if to go on but they pressed him to stay with them it is nearly evening they said and the day is almost over. So he went in to stay with them now while he was with them at the table he took the bread and said the blessing then he broke it and handed it to them. And there eyes were open and they recognize him but he had vanish from there sight.

Jesus walked with them, talked to them, spoke the scripture with them, but they still could not recognize Jesus.

It wasn't until he said the blessing and broke the bread, and handed it to them, that they finally recognized him.

You need to pay attention to this if you really wish to understand what is really important in the scripture the blessing of the Bread and Wine and to receive it.

I maintain that John 6:35 is not about communion.

And the video is apostasy. The idea as if this is just a one time thing to get tongues for private use, and yet they seek to receive the Holy Spirit for other sensational signs in the flesh where they lose self control & fall also.

If the video isn't apostasy, then where is the apostasy in the churches where many are falling away from the faith?

2 Thessalonians 2:1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Is it not hypocrisy to believe the Holy Spirit is in you and yet believers seek to receive Him again as if He is not in them?

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

That is why the real indwelling Holy Spirit would keep your eyes on the Son whereas the spirits of the antichrist would visit with signs and lying wonders to seduce you into chasing after them to receive for a sign.

 

[GodB4Us]

Again you are being Silly . Try using that gift of discernment.

You could not see God working in that video? It was pretty obvious in my opinion

Why I believe this falling away from the faith can lead to the One World Church as this video is already trying to mislead others into thinking Khundalini is the Holy Spirit. I cannot even watch that video.

No way would God's gift of tongues will be used for private use as gibberish nonsense, sounding like the pagan tongues in the occult per Isaiah 8:19 for how can one prove those sinners have repented?

The loss of self control is key when believers fall for not heeding His words in Matthew 12:39-40 & Matthew 7:24-27 for how they seek salvation and the Holy Ghost not by faith in Jesus Christ. Hebrews 11:1-2 Galatians 3:14 Galatians 3:26

John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

No way would God mimic the works of the devil that was before Pentecost.

 

[Bill]

Many who go to the One World Church will go because of the delusion that had been taught so strongly with the pre- tribulation Rapture Theory.

Once the breaking of the six seal takes place. Everyone will know exactly where they are in Revelations and there will be a really high expectancy of the pre-trib Rapture to take place at that time. But when it fails to come as expected by the many Christians they will fall away.

In turn those churches that were so strongly preaching about the pre-tribulation rapture will now turn to other ways to combat against the One World Church trying to keep their membership.

As you know money is the root of all evil

Churches that lived on the money of the parishioners will find it most difficult to survive

But churches that lived on faith will be filled with the spirit.

I know so many of you will sit there and tell me we live in faith we follow the Bible we do this we do that the truth will be known once the pre-tribulation rapture does not take place and we will see who the true God is for all of those who claim to be Christian.

Because so many have been using the Bible as a crutch versus what it's supposed to be used for. The Cornerstone of your faith. Most people will not know how to put their faith in God, as it has never really been taught that way. And because of this many of those will also leave the church

 

[GodB4Us]

Many who go to the One World Church will go because of the delusion that had been taught so strongly with the pre- tribulation Rapture Theory.

Nah.

Paul did not remind believers of the tradition taught of us in the face of those falling away from the faith to be about believing the lie of a pre tribulation rapture.

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,.........

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Now read the reminder of the tradition taught of us to expose what that lie is.

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

No mention of the rapture here as reproof but a reminder as to WHEN believers had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel and thus at no other time will a believer receive the Holy Spirit.

But if a saved believer wants to be a medium in contacting spirits, opening themselves up in receiving them for a sign, God will permit that strong delusion to occur just as He would for those that believe they can receive the Holy Spirit again or for the first time as looking for a sign of salvation as receiving the Holy Ghost is why God would permit seekers that delusion for believing the lie of looking for a sign of a phenomenon as proof of salvation.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith...
..26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

In these latter days the children of God has gone astray seeking to be identified as the children of God by signs, pretty much running after the world by the same rudiments, rather than by faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[Bill]

Nah.

Paul did not remind believers of the tradition taught of us in the face of those falling away from the faith to be about believing the lie of a pre tribulation rapture.

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,.........

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Now read the reminder of the tradition taught of us to expose what that lie is.

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

No mention of the rapture here as reproof but a reminder as to WHEN believers had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel and thus at no other time will a believer receive the Holy Spirit.

But if a saved believer wants to be a medium in contacting spirits, opening themselves up in receiving them for a sign, God will permit that strong delusion to occur just as He would for those that believe they can receive the Holy Spirit again or for the first time as looking for a sign of salvation as receiving the Holy Ghost is why God would permit seekers that delusion for believing the lie of looking for a sign of a phenomenon as proof of salvation.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith...
..26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

In these latter days the children of God has gone astray seeking to be identified as the children of God by signs, pretty much running after the world by the same rudiments, rather than by faith in Jesus Christ.

Except there be a falling away first .....

Guess what you're in it and you're part of it too. The deception is right in front of you and you can't even see it, the pre-tribulation rapture is hogwash

 

[GodB4Us]

Except there be a falling away first .....

Guess what you're in it and you're part of it too. The deception is right in front of you and you can't even see it, the pre-tribulation rapture is hogwash

Can Jesus comes like a thief in the night when the world's armies are marching against Jerusalem at the end of the great tribulation? Zechariah 14:1-5

Can believers be tempted to love their lives on earth not to leave it when the beast is waging war on the saints for the duration of the great tribulation? Luke 14:15-24 <-- does not read like great tribulation to me

Can believers work the fields and work in a mill at the end of the great tribulation Luke 17:26-37, let alone during the great tribulation to be able to buy to be tempted to get drunk? Luke 21:33-36

Jesus is warning believers and the churches to be ready or else because of the falling away from the faith is why He has to judge His House first at the rapture event as the Bridegroom. Those thinking they can receive the Holy Spirit after a sign like in slain in the spirit, holy laughter movement, Pensacola Outpouring, Toronto's Blessings, Ernest Angeley's Healing Crusade, and the baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues are out to the market for why they were not found abiding in Him to be ready to go, but regardless of how foolish those five virgins were, they along with the 5 wise virgins ARE the kingdom of heaven even though they missed out on the Marriage Supper per Matthew 25:1-13

Consider this, who are the prodigal son that gave up his inheritance for wild living and yet still a son?

Who are the least in the kingdom of heaven for breaking the least of His commandments and teaching others so and yet still be part of the kingdom of heaven? Matthew 5:19

Who are the vessels unto dishonor in His House that did not depart from iniquity, but still in His House as vessels of wood and earth per 2 Timothy 2:19-21 ?

The only way there can be saints as the least and vessels unto dishonor is the result of God judging His House first from where they come from as left behind for not being ready for the Bridegroom as the case was for the 5 foolish virgins.

When Jesus comes back at the end of the great tribulation, He is coming back as the King of kings to establish His kingdom on earth, not as the Bridegroom to receive the abiding bride to the Marriage Supper above.

 

[Bill]

Can Jesus comes like a thief in the night when the world's armies are marching against Jerusalem at the end of the great tribulation? Zechariah 14:1-5

Can believers be tempted to love their lives on earth not to leave it when the beast is waging war on the saints for the duration of the great tribulation? Luke 14:15-24 <-- does not read like great tribulation to me

Can believers work the fields and work in a mill at the end of the great tribulation Luke 17:26-37, let alone during the great tribulation to be able to buy to be tempted to get drunk? Luke 21:33-36

Jesus is warning believers and the churches to be ready or else because of the falling away from the faith is why He has to judge His House first at the rapture event as the Bridegroom. Those thinking they can receive the Holy Spirit after a sign like in slain in the spirit, holy laughter movement, Pensacola Outpouring, Toronto's Blessings, Ernest Angeley's Healing Crusade, and the baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues are out to the market for why they were not found abiding in Him to be ready to go, but regardless of how foolish those five virgins were, they along with the 5 wise virgins ARE the kingdom of heaven even though they missed out on the Marriage Supper per Matthew 25:1-13

Consider this, who are the prodigal son that gave up his inheritance for wild living and yet still a son?

Who are the least in the kingdom of heaven for breaking the least of His commandments and teaching others so and yet still be part of the kingdom of heaven? Matthew 5:19

Who are the vessels unto dishonor in His House that did not depart from iniquity, but still in His House as vessels of wood and earth per 2 Timothy 2:19-21 ?

The only way there can be saints as the least and vessels unto dishonor is the result of God judging His House first from where they come from as left behind for not being ready for the Bridegroom as the case was for the 5 foolish virgins.

When Jesus comes back at the end of the great tribulation, He is coming back as the King of kings to establish His kingdom on earth, not as the Bridegroom to receive the abiding bride to the Marriage Supper above.

I've come across a few passages actually written by others recently in the suffering thread.

Oddly enough one of them is yours

1 Peter 4:12 my dear people you must not think it unaccountable that you should be tested by fire. There is nothing extraordinary in what has happened to you if you can have some share in the sufferings of Christ be glad, because you will enjoy a much greater gladness when his glory is revealed.

1 Peter 4:16 but if any one of you should suffer for being a Christian then he is not to be ashamed of it he should thank God that he has been called one.

1 Corinthians 10:13 the trials that you have had to Bear are no more than people normally have you can trust God not to let you be tried beyond your strength and with any trial he will give you a way out of it and the strength to bear it.

In the King James it translates into tribulation.

 

[GodB4Us]

I've come across a few passages actually written by others recently in the suffering thread.

Oddly enough one of them is yours

1 Peter 4:12 my dear people you must not think it unaccountable that you should be tested by fire. There is nothing extraordinary in what has happened to you if you can have some share in the sufferings of Christ be glad, because you will enjoy a much greater gladness when his glory is revealed.

1 Peter 4:16 but if any one of you should suffer for being a Christian then he is not to be ashamed of it he should thank God that he has been called one.

1 Corinthians 10:13 the trials that you have had to Bear are no more than people normally have you can trust God not to let you be tried beyond your strength and with any trial he will give you a way out of it and the strength to bear it.

In the King James it translates into tribulation.

We are living in the tribulation of our days BEFORE the rapture event when disqualified saints are cast into the bed of the great tribulation, as in left behind in that the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth.

Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.