The Error of Addressing the Holy Spirit

[Enow]

This is the evidence of the error of addressing the Holy Spirit in prayer and in worship.

1 Timothy 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

This is the prophecy as to why we should not.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Now for the facts of the scriptures for discernment.

How did this practise all began? Was it the Nicene Creed or some other creed done in ecumenical format? Or was it unscriptural hymnals? Or was it a Bible translation error? Irregardless, the answer can be found in the scriptures, but one has to discern by use of the whole Bible.

The leaven that leavens the whole lump could be seen here in the NIV.

Romans 8:26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. 27And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will.

May God cause the increase. Here in these verses, we see a contrast to 1 Timothy 2:5. Even though both the NIV and the KJV has the same translation of that verse, yet in the NIV, 1 Timothy 2:5 opposes the above verses in Romans 8:26-27 directly.

Then we look at the fact that it is in bad grammar. How can the "he" that searches the hearts of the believers and knows the mind of the Spirit be the Spirit that intercedes for the saints according to the will of God? The "he" has to be seperate from the heart of the believer and the mind of the Spirit so the "he" cannot be the Spirit that intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

Then we look at the phrase, "according to the will of God". How can the Spirit be the mediator when 1 Timothy 2:5 declares Jesus to be?
Now look at the King James Bible below.

Romans 8:26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

The Spirit as the one that maketh intercession is not there; just the reference to the third person of the "he".

We look at verse 26 and we read that "the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." Hence no sound at all.

This throws out the practise of prayer language that some believers have ignored from Paul's writings in regards to the order in the churches and the proper use of tongues as a witness and for edification. How can anyone not come in and think the assembly mad if they set a time aside for prayer language in the assembly? Since this verse from the NIV has been used to validate the practise, and yet ignoring the bad grammar, and its opposing 1 Timothy 2:5, I would advise all believers to hold to the King James Bible meaning of it.

Now after reading verse 26, the reader would asked, "How, then can the Holy Spirit maketh intercessions for us", if there are no sounds uttered at all? The reader would find the answer in verse 27. The "he" that searcheth the hearts of the believers also knows the mind of the Spirit (since the Spirit is in us) so that is why we can take "comfort" in the Comforter, for Jesus, Our Good Shepherd, is with us always as promised. That is why we have a rest in Chrst Jesus.

This is good to know because if you were ever at a loss for words for prayer or in a crisis situation, you need not worry. God knows. That is a far more comforting fact to know than thinking that since you are unable to speak in tongues, you will not be able to get through because of the forces of darkness about you. Think about that. If that were true, then how could God reach you to save you with the hearing of the Gospel for you to believe? There is no static in prayer when He is in you. Greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world.

Another thing to consider is praying in tongues is unfruitful because even Paul said he lacked understanding. How can one thank God for answered prayers if he or she knew not what was prayed for?

Thus the futility of praying in tongues as a means of practise in the worship place. Instead of pulling out verses, read tongues in context and see how Paul was demoting the use of tongues as a gift to seek after, but rather seek after the gift of prophesy.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 2For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 4He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Believers would pull out verse 2 seperating the point from what Paul is making as if that validates prayer language practise in the worship service. Reading on, that practise is spoken against.

1 Corinthians 14:21In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

Thus we see what Paul is emphasizing in the following verses.

1 Corinthians 14:24But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 25And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

The witness that God is in them of a truth.

So how do we witness that faith when we place the Holy Spirit in the worship place to be addressed? We cannot do both. Either He is in us or the line of discernment is blurred when we place Him in the worship place. Either Jesus is the only Mediator between God and man, or we open the door for other spirits to steal the spotlight off of Jesus.

More on this in the next post, God be willing.

So then advocate for praying to the Holy Spirit will point out this verse.

Matthew 18:20For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

But what does it say in context, and Who is speaking?

Matthew 18:19Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Jesus was referring to His future role as the Mediator between God and man since verse 19 was talking about prayer.

Most believers will say,"But if the Holy Spirit is God, we can pray to the Holy Spirit and worship the Holy Spirit also." But where does it really say that in the King James Bible? Nowhere. And yet scriptures emphasizes against looking to the Holy Spirit in the worship place.

1 John 4:3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Does it not say.... every spirit that confesseth or bears witness that Jesus Christ "is not come*" (which means presently*) in the flesh, it is that spirit of the anti-christ which is what?... already in the world? How can believers test the spirits if the Holy Spirit can be "in the world" also without fear of committing the unpardonable sin? Read on again.

1 John 4: 4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

The world hears them and speak as the world does.

Fact: Mediums hold seyances and welcome spirits coming into the place. These spirits do not stay as they must be contacted repeatedly.

Fact: New age channelers will meditate to receive their spirit guides which they do not receive as they must do so again and again.

Fact: American Indians in their cultures, will testify of taking to alcohol as "fire water" for it reminded them of being in commune with the Great spirit when they dance and chant for it to come, thus having this spirit of drunkenness.

Fact: Yoga meditators in Khundalini mysticism will testify indivually of experiencing seperately manifestations of power, fire, peace, and other manifestations found in these revivals that focussed on the "movement of the Spirit".

Fact: There are tongues in the world that is gibberish. There is no interpretation. They got them by seeking after spirits.

Isaiah 8:19And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Note the difference in how the world receives their spirits.

John 16:16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

So the world receives their spirits as they see them. And yet we knoe Him how? By Him abiding in us. That is the only way you can know Him. Not out there in the worship place where other spirits dwell. Not by calling the Spirit over and over again as if He is not in you. Either our practise and our words reflect our faith in Jesus or we do not. There is no other spirit to receive or keep receiving when we come to Jesus. That is why there is a rest in Him.

Is not Jesus risen from the dead? Is He not the living God we should be seeking in prayer? Is it not by Him we have access to the Father so we can pray to Him also? Why should the world be confused with us by the way they address the spirits and in having their spirit worship?

More on this God be willing....

So if believers are to test the spirits, it is best to test the tongues in how they got it. Was it after the rudiment found in the world and not after Christ? How is seeking another baptism of the Holy Spirit with evidence of tongues be any different than the world? The world can do the same thing and use Jesus' name too.

If God calls us to stand apart from the world, then we know God would not give us tongues without interpretation for the assembly to be practised as a prayer language for the world can easily join in if believers "speak" as they speak.

So then, if the rudiment of the world is by going after the Holy Spirit, worshipping the Holy Spirit, or praying to the Holy Spirit, then we must see how God would have us seperate from the world.

John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1 Timothy 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

John 5:39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Is Jesus the Bridegroom? Is Jesus the Door to which we are to enter into this relationship with God the Father through the Son? Are we to be the chaste Bride for the Bridegroom in relating to the Son?

Believers that use the Holy Spirit as stepping stones to Jesus should consider the description of the thief.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. ...4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers....

7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

How can anyone not say that tongues without interpretation is not a stranger's voice? How is it that they did not seek spiritual gifts from Jesus? Are not all the gifts and the fruits of the Spirit from Jesus?

John 16:14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Philippians 1:11Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

The Holy Spirit seeks to glorify Jesus as stated above, and to bear testimony of Jesus as should we.

John 16:13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

John 15:26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

Remember how one is to witness?

John 7:18He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

John 3:28Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30He must increase, but I must decrease.

Since the Holy Spirit is God, He will not fail in His role in being sent. Wayward believers will as they put the focus and the spotlight on the Holy Spirit in the worship place, forgetting the faith in hypocrisey.

2 Corinthians 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

More on this God be willing to remind ourselves of our first love

 

[Enow]

So then one declares again that the Holy Spirit is God and thus it is okay even though there are no scripture references to back it up, but there are scriptural references to see just how narrow that gate is in relating to God through the Son. Look at how Jesus will judge.

John 5:22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Plain simple language. By even honouring the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, they are not honouring the Son. They are opening themselves up to other spirits that will take that spotlight for themselves. They are suffering their house to be broken through.

Matthew 24:43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Luke 13:24Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

By climbing up another way, one becomes a worker of iniquity. Notice how those left behind speak of eating and being drunken in His Presence? Recall the saying from those involved that they hunger for more of God because of that experience with the movement of the Spirit? But yet we have these promises in Jesus for coming to Him.

John 6:35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

John 3:6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Hebrews 11: 1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.... 6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Galatians 3: 14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Ephesians 1:12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

There is no more continual filling of the Spirit. We are to sow to the Spirit as in the fruits thereof, but that is called walking in the Spirit, not asking for more of the Holy Spirit. Consider these truths.

Matthew 9: 17Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

Believers are not leaky vessels. That is why we can rest in Jesus when we came to Him.

Colossians 2:5For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Matthew 11:28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

So all eyes are on the Son for that is Whom the Holy Spirit in us is pointing us to. If we are led by the Spirit of God in us, we would testify and glorify the Son as all eyes are on the Good Shepherd in following Him. What better Way to insure a chaste Bride for the Bridegroom? That is the only Way to glorify God the Father and that is through the Son.

John 13:31Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. 32If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

John 17:1These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Why would the Holy Spirit decrease so that Jesus may increase?

Philippians 2:9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

So because of other spirits in the world, God the Father provided one Way to approach Him and that is through the Son. The use of the term, Bridegroom is not by chance as it siginifies our chaste relationship in being the Bride towards the Bridegroom. So what need be there for preaching another spirit to receive?

2 Corinthians 11:3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Let us return to our first love and rest in the promises of Jesus. Amen.

1 Peter 2:24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

1 John 1:9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 John 3:He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1 John 3:22And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1 John 3:3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Jude 1:24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

May God cause the increase so that any wayward believer may return to their first love and rest in Him to be a witness of the Son. Amen.

 

[B-A-C]

Spirit as an Intecessor?

Well, I agree with most of what was said but..

Rom 8:26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;

Eph 4:30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

I would take this verse to mean the Holy Spirit is a being with a personality, that can be grieved.

Mar 13:11 "When they arrest you and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but it is the Holy Spirit.

Luk 12:12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."

sometimes the Holy Spirit can give us words to say. Or in some cases, tell us NOT to say something...

Act 16:6 They passed through the Phrygian and Galatian region, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia;

Even Jesus said we should ask for the Holy Spirit.
Luk 11:13 "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"

Act 7:51 "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.

It is one thing to ask for the Holy Spirit, another to be passive about it, and yet another the resist it altogether. (Can you do this if you are a Christian?)

I believe that not only is it OK to ask for the Holy Spirit for ourselves, but it's OK for other (Christians) to receive the Holy Spirit also.

Act 8:14 Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John,
Act 8:15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit.
Act 8:16 For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 8:17 Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit.

This is also how Paul received the Holy Spirit

Act 9:17 So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit."

..anyway.. just my 2 cents.

 

[ElderPaul]

I have found it that those who don't speak in tongues are always ready present their
superior knowledge about the gift of tongues.

 

[Enow]

Well, I agree with most of what was said but..

Rom 8:26 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;

Eph 4:30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

I would take this verse to mean the Holy Spirit is a being with a personality, that can be grieved.

Paul writes of the Holy Spirit elsewhere as referring to He or Him, so the translators got it right when Paul used the pronoun "itself" as indicative that the Holy Spirit is the means by which Jesus the Mediator is making the actual intercession since the Holy Spirit is in us. Jesus knowing the mind of the Spirit as well as searching our hearts answers the question of how can the Holy Spirit intercede then, if groanings were not uttered hence no sound? Thus the Holy Spirit Himself is not interceding directly. That is why I refer to the King James Bible.

Mar 13:11 "When they arrest you and hand you over, do not worry beforehand about what you are to say, but say whatever is given you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but it is the Holy Spirit.

Luk 12:12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."

sometimes the Holy Spirit can give us words to say. Or in some cases, tell us NOT to say something...

Act 16:6 They passed through the Phrygian and Galatian region, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia;

Keep in mind this simple truth in where the words come from:

John 16:13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Even Jesus said we should ask for the Holy Spirit.
Luk 11:13 "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"

Take that verse in context. Notice how the reference to knocking at the door is given and remember that Jesus is the Door.

Luke 11:9And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 11If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Now consider the analogy of people continuing asking for the Holy Spirit. Did they receive a stone? Did they receive a serpent? Did they ask for the Holy Spirit and not received Him at all? Then once received, one does not ask for the Holy Spirit again, otherwise, by His word, God would be seen as giving something else in that one has to keep asking for the Holy Spirit. The faith is .. you either have Him as promised for coming to Jesus, or you are denying the promise and the rest for coming to Jesus and thus labouring in unbelief in a practise that denies Him.

Act 7:51 "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.

In context, denying that our body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit is resisting the truth of the promise of the Holy Spirit in Jesus Christ.

Acts 7:48Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, 49Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? 50Hath not my hand made all these things? 51Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

1 Corinthians 6: 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

It is one thing to ask for the Holy Spirit, another to be passive about it, and yet another the resist it altogether. (Can you do this if you are a Christian?)

I believe that not only is it OK to ask for the Holy Spirit for ourselves, but it's OK for other (Christians) to receive the Holy Spirit also.

No, it is not. That is a false witness of saying one has not received Him yet. If you have already received Him, His promise is to abide in you and dwell within you forever.

Act 8:14 Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John,
Act 8:15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. Act 8:16 For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 8:17 Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit.

Once received.. that is done.

This is also how Paul received the Holy Spirit

Act 9:17 So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit."

Again, once received, it is done. You are His so now walk in the Spirit instead of engaging in a practise in worship as if you had not received Him yet nor were you ever walking in the Spirit... and you know that is not true so why keep asking for that Whom you had received as promised for coming to and believing in Jesus Christ?

 

[jiggyfly]

Acts 13:1-3
1*Among the prophets and teachers of the church at Antioch of Syria were Barnabas, Simeon (called “the black man”* ), Lucius (from Cyrene), Manaen (the childhood companion of King Herod Antipas* ), and Saul. 2*One day as these men were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Dedicate Barnabas and Saul for the special work I have for them.” 3*So after more fasting and prayer, the men laid their hands on them and sent them on their way.

 

[Trishann]

Jesus is the same today, yesterday, and tomorrow, and forever.

Your sister in Christ, Trish

 

[Enow]

Acts 13:1-3
1*Among the prophets and teachers of the church at Antioch of Syria were Barnabas, Simeon (called “the black man”* ), Lucius (from Cyrene), Manaen (the childhood companion of King Herod Antipas* ), and Saul. 2*One day as these men were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Dedicate Barnabas and Saul for the special work I have for them.” 3*So after more fasting and prayer, the men laid their hands on them and sent them on their way.

The King James Bible says it clearer than your version. Seperate is more in tune with God's word than dedicate because the Lord has already designated them, they were order to seperate them for that mission.

Acts 13:1Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. 2As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. 3And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away. 4So they, being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus.

Now when the Holy Spirit speak, are they His own words or those of another?

John 16:13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

The Holy Spirit is not really speaking His own words anymore than you are your own.

Matthew 10: 18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

If they need not take thought nor prepare themselves for the Holy Spirit to speak through them, then the laying on of hands for a mission as if that is empowering them is hardly necessary either. They were just praying for them. Notice the difference in verse 3 of the KJV and your version.

Were you implying something supernatural was being done by the laying on of hands when you referred to those verses or did I misunderstood your reference?

 

[Enow]

Jesus is the same today, yesterday, and tomorrow, and forever.

Your sister in Christ, Trish

Yes He is.

And so is the Spirit in not speaking of himself nor seeking to testify of himself nor seeking to glorify himself in the worship place with the hyped up "move of the spirit" when He, by dwelling in us, seeks to lead us to testify of the Son to glorify the Son because that is the only way we can honour the Father by honouring the Son as His name is above every other name.

The question here is, do we heed the will of the Father and obey the commandment in approaching God the Father through the Son: John 14:6 or do we climb up another way as a thief would? John 10:1,7

If Jesus is the same today as He was yesterday, then there is no door to the Spirit since Jesus is the Door by which we have received the Spirit Matthew 9:17 and thus why all eyes are still on the Bridegroom: Jesus Christ, our first love, Whom the indwelling Holy Spirit is pointing to

 

[Faithful Son]

Enow.

What you understand in your mind and what each verse in context presents in this post/thread is completely different things.

Maybe you should step back and realse the Glory and complete Authority of the Holy Spirit.

Did the Holy Spirit not lead Jesus into the desert to be tempted by Satan? Did the Holy Spirit not come as our comforter, counsellor and God to be with us in the Spirit as Jesus is not present as He was before?

I despise the fact that people think they can psycho analyze the Word of God to fit a silly paradigm that only they can consciencensly understand in their minds. Because believe me, your words are hollow and empty and I don't sense the fruits of the Spirit in any of your words.

I call error on your part, believe it.

 

[carlos marquez]

Thank you Enow for your insight
And thank you Faithful son for
your boldness.