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The Father is Greater than I


“You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28)

This is probably the most used verse in the Bible, by those who argue that Jesus Christ is not “God”, in the same way the Father is God.

What does Jesus mean here, when He says, “οτι ο πατηρ μου μειζων μου εστιν”, which is literally, “for My Father greater I is”? How do we understand the use of the Greek “μειζων”, used by Jesus here? There are some who understand this “Greatness”, as referring to the eternal relationship between the Father and Son within the Godhead or Trinity. They argue that as the Father is “Father”, and Jesus Christ is the “Son”, this proves that the Father has “priority” over Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. Some in fact refer to the Father as “Fons Deitatis”, the “Originator” of the Son and Holy Spirit, as to their Deity. All of this is no more than bad theology, and has nothing to do with what the Bible actually Teaches about Jesus Christ.

In Isaiah 9:6, we have one of the Titles for Jesus Christ, “אֵל גִּבּוֹר”, which is translated in the majority of English Versions, “Mighty God”. Some have tried to remove the fact that Deity is meant, by using “God-like Hero” instead. In 10:21, we have the same Hebrew as in 9:6, where it is used for Yahweh, no one suggests that it should be translated as “God-like Hero”, here. Why not? It has to be for theological reasons. Even the Jehovah’s Witnesses, have “Mighty God” in 9:6, as does the translation by the Jewish scholar, Isaac Leeser, as does the Complete Jewish Bible (https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15940). Targum Jonathan, This Aramaic (Jewish) translation dates from the 1st century AD. “The prophet said to the house of David, For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and he has taken the law upon himself to keep it. His name is called from eternity wonderful, the mighty God who liveth to eternity, the Messiah whose peace shall be great upon us in his days” (Targum Jonathan on Isaiah 9:6). It is clear from these two verses, that there are Two distinct Persons in the Old Testament, Who are equally GOD. Not that One is “greater”, or “prominent”, than the other.

John starts his Gospel with the opening words, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (...καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος)”. This is the accepted reading by almost all of the English translations, with a few exceptions, who have changed the last part, for theological purposes. Like the Jehovah’s Witnesses, “and the Logos was a god”, because they cannot accept the Bible’s Teaching that Jesus Christ is Almighty God, The Great I AM. Interesting, that the New Testament by the Unitarian, Dr George Noyes, reads: “and the Word was God”. This verse teaches that Jesus Christ is GOD. And He is GOD as The GOD He is with.

In verse 18, according to the reading of the oldest and best evidence, reads: “Θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς Θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ Πατρὸς, ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο”, “God no one has seen at any time, the Unique God Who is eternally close to the Father, He has revealed Him”. The oldest Greek manuscript for this Gospel, The Codex P66, about AD 200, has “Θεὸς”. Before this time, Bishop Ignatius (died 110), also reads “Θεὸς”, as does Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons (130-200), Clement of Alexandria (150-215). Even the testimony of the early “heretics”, like Valentinus of Egypt (2nd cent), Origen (185-254), Arius of Alexandria (250-336)! This verse, like verse 1, is clear that there are TWO distinct Persons, Who are equally called “Θεὸς” (both without the definite Greek article). Also clear evidence against the heresy of Unitarianism!

In chapter 5, the Jews understood Jesus as calling God, “Πατέρα ἴδιον” (His own Father), in a Unique sense. They also understood this to mean, that Jesus was, “making himself equal with God” (verse 18). The adjective “ἴσον”, means “to claim for one's self the nature, rank, authority, which belong to God” (Thayer Greek Lexicon, p.307. Unitarian work). The Jews clearly understand that Jesus Christ is claiming Himself to be GOD. Note that Jesus does not rebuke them for what they say. In fact, in verse 23, Jesus actually confirms what the Jews say here. “that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who doesn’t honor the Son doesn’t honor the Father who sent Him”. “καθώς”, “even as, just as”, meaning, “in the SAME way”, which shows EQUALITY. Jesus is clear here, those who don’t HONOR Him AS THEY DO the Father, do not HONOR the Father. This would be impossible for Jesus to have said, if He is not absolutely COEQUAL with God the Father. In Isaiah 42:8, it says, “I am Yahweh, that is My Name; I will not give My Glory to another, Nor My praise to idols”. The Hebrew, “kâbôd”, means, “honour, splendour, glory”. The Greek “τῑμάω”, means, “honour, revere, reverence”. The present, active, subjunctive, “τιμῶσι”, says, to “continually Honour” Jesus Christ, JUST AS Honouring the Father! Can One Who is ANY “inferior” to Yahweh, ever say this? Jesus says here that the Father “sent” Him, shows their distinction as Persons.

In Chapter 8, Jesus says to the Jews, “I said therefore to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am (εγω ειμι), you will die in your sins.” (verse 24). And, in verse 58, when the Jews asked Jesus, if He was “greater” than Abraham (v.53), Jesus replies, “πριν αβρααμ γενεσθαι εγω ειμι”. Here the literal reading is, “before Abraham came into existence, I AM”. For which the Jews wanted to stone Jesus because they thought that He had blasphemed (v.59). Again note, that Jesus does not say to the Jews, that they have misunderstood Him, and that He was not here saying that He IS The Great I AM. The Jews clearly understood Jesus was here referring to the Name given to Moses in Exodus 3:14, “’Ehyeh ’ăsher ’ehyeh”, which is best translated, “I am Who I am”. The Greek Version made by Jewish scholars before the Birth of Jesus Christ, the Septuagint, translates the Hebrew, “Εγω ειμι ὁ Ων”, literally, “I am the Existing One”. As Jesus says in verse 24, those who do not believe that He is YAHWEH, will die in their sins, and not have eternal life. The absolute Deity of Jesus Christ, as The Creator God, is clearly taught here.

In John chapter 10, verses 28-30, we read, “I give eternal life to them. They will never perish at all, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father who has given them to me is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”.

This passage is a very good example of the two “natures” in the One Person, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is The God-Man. On the one hand Jesus says, “My Father who has given them to me is greater than all”, as He does in 14:28. This no doubt in reference to the Incarnation, when Jesus became “subject” to the Father. On the other hand, Jesus also says, “no one will snatch them out of my hand...No one is able to snatch them out of my Father’s hand”. We read in the Old Testament, in Deuteronomy 32:39 it says, “‘See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand”. And, Isaiah 43:13, “Even from eternity I am He; And there is none who can deliver out of My hand; I act and who can reverse it?”.

Jesus is here saying that His Authority, Power and Protection, is equal to that of the Father’s, even though the Father is “greater”. No one who is “inferior” to God the Father, can say what Jesus does here! Verse 30 shows the distinction between the Father and Jesus Christ, as “ἐσμεν”, is masculine, plural, which is impossible to mean they are “one and the same” Person, since it literally means, “we are”. Then we have the neuter, singular, “ἕν”, which is, “one thing”, or “one nature”. Both the Father and Jesus Christ are here EQUALLY GOD.

Another clear testimony that Jesus Christ is Almighty God, is in John 20:28

“και απεκριθη ο θωμας και ειπεν αυτω ο κυριος μου και ο θεος μου” “and answered Thomas and said to Him, my Lord and my God”

All these words are addressed directly to Jesus Christ, as we have the singular, αυτω, HIM, not as some, like the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who try to explain this as John looks to Jesus and says, “my Lord”, and then to heaven, and says “my God”. This is based on their theology and not what the text actually says. On a point of Greek grammar, here we have the nominative case, that is used for the vocative in direct address, as can be seen in Matthew 11:26, “ναι ο πατηρ (even so Father)”, which is also nominative, in address to God the Father. Jesus does not rebuke Thomas for calling Him “ο θεος μου”, which He would have, if Thomas was wrong in what he said.

In Revelation 1:17-18, we read about Jesus Christ Appearing to the Apostle John:

“And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as if dead. But He put His right hand on me, saying, "Do not fear; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and became dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Death and of Hades”

Jesus’ words here are very important as self Testimony on Who He is. The Words, “εγω ειμι ο πρωτος και ο εσχατος και ο ζων και εγενομην νεκρος και ιδου ζων ειμι εις τους αιωνας των αιωνων αμην”. Literally, “I am The First and The Last and The Living One I became dead and behold Alive I am forever and forever Amen”.

(I am The First and The Last), are no doubt a reference to Isaiah 44:6, “This is what Yahweh, the King of Israel and its Redeemer, Yahweh of Hosts, says: I am the first and I am the last. There is no god but Me” (also 48:12). On Revelation 1:17, Dr Thayer says in his Greek lexicon, “ὁ πρῶτος καί ὁ ἔσχατος, i. e. the eternal One”. Jesus goes on to say, literally in verse 18,

As we shall see, Jesus’ words here about the Father being “Greater” than Himself, is functional, which is post Incarnational, as The Mediator, and not eternal.

This chapter begins with the words spoken by Jesus Christ, where He says, “Let not your heart be troubled. You believe in God, believe also in Me”. It is clear from these words, that Jesus is saying to trust in the Father, and equally trust in Him. Where the Greek καί (also), is used for “sameness”. Only One Who is Himself God, could give this assurance of having faith in Him, as in the Father.

In verse 6 Jesus says, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me”, where the emphasis is on the fact that He, and He alone, is THE Way, THE Truth and THE Life. Jesus here is the Mediator between humans and God the Father, as is speaking as the God-Man.

When Philip asks Jesus to “show us the Father, and it is enough for us” (v.8), Jesus rebukes him for this, and says, “Have I been with you such a long time and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father. And how do you say, Show us the Father?” (9). This does not mean that Jesus Christ is saying that He is the same Person as the Father, but, that He is equal to the Father, and what He says, is what the Father also says. He goes on to say, “Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in Me? The Words that I speak to you I do not speak of Myself, but the Father who dwells in Me, He does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the very works themselves” (vs. 10-11). This is more than the “union” that believers have with God, as Jesus speaks of in chapter 17:21-22. Jesus is clear that His Authority is equal to the Father’s, and that what He says, should be enough, as the Father’s Authority is not “Greater” than His own, as God.

In Matthew 12:18, we read, “Behold, My Servant whom I have chosen, My Beloved with whom My soul is well pleased. I will put My Spirit upon Hm, and He will proclaim justice to the Gentiles”. The “Servant”, is Jesus Christ, as was foretold in the Old Testament Prophecy. Jesus says of Himself, “even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” Where it is clear that He considered Himself to be “The Servant” of God the Father, to Whom He made Himself “subject”, during after His Incarnation.

In John 14:28, Jesus uses “μειζων”, by way of comparison with the Father, while He was on earth. In Hebrews 2:9, we read, “But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone”. Where Jesus is said to be “ἐλαττόω”, that is, “inferior” to even the created angels, because of His “suffering of death”. This position as we can see, is only “for a little while”, which is Incarnational. In John 13:16, Jesus says, “Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him”. This is also true of Him during His time on earth, as He is The Servant, and was also “Sent” by God the Father. It is clear form this, what Jesus means in 14:28.
 
Christ came into the world as a Jewish guy biologically related to David, and thru
David biologically related to Adam and the dust from whence Adam was
constructed. So then, as a creature of design, Christ wasn't divine at first.

In time; his status was greatly improved by endowing him with the name, the rank,
and the power of God; in effect making Christ a proxy of the Ancient of Days. (Dan
7:13-14 & Phil 2:6-11)

To give a rough idea on how this works-- Pharaoh not only made Joseph a grain
czar, but also endowed him with his signet ring; thus in effect making him
Pharaoh's proxy: so much so that even Joseph's brothers had to obey him the
same as they'd obey Pharaoh. (Gen 41:40-44, Gen 44:18 & Gen 45:8)

FAQ: What about that place in the Bible where it says God will not share His glory?

With another?

REPLY: The "another" in that passage refers to tin gods. Well, Christ isn't a tin god;

he's God's descendant, i.e. the Father's next of kin: in point of fact, according to
John 1:14, John 1:18, John 3:16, John 3:18, and 1John 4:9, Christ is the Father's
one and only direct descendant, viz: the name and rank of God is all in the family.

* Pharaoh's signet gave Joseph quite a bit of power in Egypt; but not unlimited
power. In contrast, the powers of God entrusted to Christ are unlimited.

Matt 28:18 . . All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

John 5:22-23 . . For the Father judges no man, but hath committed all judgment
unto the Son: that all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father.

Rev 1:20 . . I am the Living one; I was dead, and behold I am alive forever and
ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

NOTE: Phil 2:9 says God elevated Christ to the "highest place" which of course has

to be the throne of God because there is no higher position than that. God also
gave Christ "the name" that is above all other names; which most everyone knows
to be Jehovah (a.k.a. Yahweh) (cf. Ps 45:1-7)

Ergo: just as people had to bend their knees to Joseph as they would to Pharaoh,
so people are now required to bend their knees to Christ as they would to God: and
refusal to do so is very serious because it insults the dignity of God's name just as
an Egyptian's refusal to honor Joseph's signet would've dishonored Pharaoh's
name; which more than likely would've resulted in fatal consequences.

You know: if only folks would discuss the "how" a man became God rather than
arguing over whether he's God, that would be very helpful.
_
 
The Father is Greater than I


“You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28)

This is probably the most used verse in the Bible, by those who argue that Jesus Christ is not “God”, in the same way the Father is God.

What does Jesus mean here, when He says, “οτι ο πατηρ μου μειζων μου εστιν”, which is literally, “for My Father greater I is”? How do we understand the use of the Greek “μειζων”, used by Jesus here? There are some who understand this “Greatness”, as referring to the eternal relationship between the Father and Son within the Godhead or Trinity. They argue that as the Father is “Father”, and Jesus Christ is the “Son”, this proves that the Father has “priority” over Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. Some in fact refer to the Father as “Fons Deitatis”, the “Originator” of the Son and Holy Spirit, as to their Deity. All of this is no more than bad theology, and has nothing to do with what the Bible actually Teaches about Jesus Christ.

In Isaiah 9:6, we have one of the Titles for Jesus Christ, “אֵל גִּבּוֹר”, which is translated in the majority of English Versions, “Mighty God”. Some have tried to remove the fact that Deity is meant, by using “God-like Hero” instead. In 10:21, we have the same Hebrew as in 9:6, where it is used for Yahweh, no one suggests that it should be translated as “God-like Hero”, here. Why not? It has to be for theological reasons. Even the Jehovah’s Witnesses, have “Mighty God” in 9:6, as does the translation by the Jewish scholar, Isaac Leeser, as does the Complete Jewish Bible (https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15940). Targum Jonathan, This Aramaic (Jewish) translation dates from the 1st century AD. “The prophet said to the house of David, For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and he has taken the law upon himself to keep it. His name is called from eternity wonderful, the mighty God who liveth to eternity, the Messiah whose peace shall be great upon us in his days” (Targum Jonathan on Isaiah 9:6). It is clear from these two verses, that there are Two distinct Persons in the Old Testament, Who are equally GOD. Not that One is “greater”, or “prominent”, than the other.

John starts his Gospel with the opening words, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (...καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος)”. This is the accepted reading by almost all of the English translations, with a few exceptions, who have changed the last part, for theological purposes. Like the Jehovah’s Witnesses, “and the Logos was a god”, because they cannot accept the Bible’s Teaching that Jesus Christ is Almighty God, The Great I AM. Interesting, that the New Testament by the Unitarian, Dr George Noyes, reads: “and the Word was God”. This verse teaches that Jesus Christ is GOD. And He is GOD as The GOD He is with.

In verse 18, according to the reading of the oldest and best evidence, reads: “Θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε· μονογενὴς Θεὸς ὁ ὢν εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ Πατρὸς, ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο”, “God no one has seen at any time, the Unique God Who is eternally close to the Father, He has revealed Him”. The oldest Greek manuscript for this Gospel, The Codex P66, about AD 200, has “Θεὸς”. Before this time, Bishop Ignatius (died 110), also reads “Θεὸς”, as does Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons (130-200), Clement of Alexandria (150-215). Even the testimony of the early “heretics”, like Valentinus of Egypt (2nd cent), Origen (185-254), Arius of Alexandria (250-336)! This verse, like verse 1, is clear that there are TWO distinct Persons, Who are equally called “Θεὸς” (both without the definite Greek article). Also clear evidence against the heresy of Unitarianism!

In chapter 5, the Jews understood Jesus as calling God, “Πατέρα ἴδιον” (His own Father), in a Unique sense. They also understood this to mean, that Jesus was, “making himself equal with God” (verse 18). The adjective “ἴσον”, means “to claim for one's self the nature, rank, authority, which belong to God” (Thayer Greek Lexicon, p.307. Unitarian work). The Jews clearly understand that Jesus Christ is claiming Himself to be GOD. Note that Jesus does not rebuke them for what they say. In fact, in verse 23, Jesus actually confirms what the Jews say here. “that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who doesn’t honor the Son doesn’t honor the Father who sent Him”. “καθώς”, “even as, just as”, meaning, “in the SAME way”, which shows EQUALITY. Jesus is clear here, those who don’t HONOR Him AS THEY DO the Father, do not HONOR the Father. This would be impossible for Jesus to have said, if He is not absolutely COEQUAL with God the Father. In Isaiah 42:8, it says, “I am Yahweh, that is My Name; I will not give My Glory to another, Nor My praise to idols”. The Hebrew, “kâbôd”, means, “honour, splendour, glory”. The Greek “τῑμάω”, means, “honour, revere, reverence”. The present, active, subjunctive, “τιμῶσι”, says, to “continually Honour” Jesus Christ, JUST AS Honouring the Father! Can One Who is ANY “inferior” to Yahweh, ever say this? Jesus says here that the Father “sent” Him, shows their distinction as Persons.

In Chapter 8, Jesus says to the Jews, “I said therefore to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am (εγω ειμι), you will die in your sins.” (verse 24). And, in verse 58, when the Jews asked Jesus, if He was “greater” than Abraham (v.53), Jesus replies, “πριν αβρααμ γενεσθαι εγω ειμι”. Here the literal reading is, “before Abraham came into existence, I AM”. For which the Jews wanted to stone Jesus because they thought that He had blasphemed (v.59). Again note, that Jesus does not say to the Jews, that they have misunderstood Him, and that He was not here saying that He IS The Great I AM. The Jews clearly understood Jesus was here referring to the Name given to Moses in Exodus 3:14, “’Ehyeh ’ăsher ’ehyeh”, which is best translated, “I am Who I am”. The Greek Version made by Jewish scholars before the Birth of Jesus Christ, the Septuagint, translates the Hebrew, “Εγω ειμι ὁ Ων”, literally, “I am the Existing One”. As Jesus says in verse 24, those who do not believe that He is YAHWEH, will die in their sins, and not have eternal life. The absolute Deity of Jesus Christ, as The Creator God, is clearly taught here.

In John chapter 10, verses 28-30, we read, “I give eternal life to them. They will never perish at all, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father who has given them to me is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”.

This passage is a very good example of the two “natures” in the One Person, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is The God-Man. On the one hand Jesus says, “My Father who has given them to me is greater than all”, as He does in 14:28. This no doubt in reference to the Incarnation, when Jesus became “subject” to the Father. On the other hand, Jesus also says, “no one will snatch them out of my hand...No one is able to snatch them out of my Father’s hand”. We read in the Old Testament, in Deuteronomy 32:39 it says, “‘See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand”. And, Isaiah 43:13, “Even from eternity I am He; And there is none who can deliver out of My hand; I act and who can reverse it?”.

Jesus is here saying that His Authority, Power and Protection, is equal to that of the Father’s, even though the Father is “greater”. No one who is “inferior” to God the Father, can say what Jesus does here! Verse 30 shows the distinction between the Father and Jesus Christ, as “ἐσμεν”, is masculine, plural, which is impossible to mean they are “one and the same” Person, since it literally means, “we are”. Then we have the neuter, singular, “ἕν”, which is, “one thing”, or “one nature”. Both the Father and Jesus Christ are here EQUALLY GOD.

Another clear testimony that Jesus Christ is Almighty God, is in John 20:28

“και απεκριθη ο θωμας και ειπεν αυτω ο κυριος μου και ο θεος μου” “and answered Thomas and said to Him, my Lord and my God”

All these words are addressed directly to Jesus Christ, as we have the singular, αυτω, HIM, not as some, like the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who try to explain this as John looks to Jesus and says, “my Lord”, and then to heaven, and says “my God”. This is based on their theology and not what the text actually says. On a point of Greek grammar, here we have the nominative case, that is used for the vocative in direct address, as can be seen in Matthew 11:26, “ναι ο πατηρ (even so Father)”, which is also nominative, in address to God the Father. Jesus does not rebuke Thomas for calling Him “ο θεος μου”, which He would have, if Thomas was wrong in what he said.

In Revelation 1:17-18, we read about Jesus Christ Appearing to the Apostle John:

“And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as if dead. But He put His right hand on me, saying, "Do not fear; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and became dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Death and of Hades”

Jesus’ words here are very important as self Testimony on Who He is. The Words, “εγω ειμι ο πρωτος και ο εσχατος και ο ζων και εγενομην νεκρος και ιδου ζων ειμι εις τους αιωνας των αιωνων αμην”. Literally, “I am The First and The Last and The Living One I became dead and behold Alive I am forever and forever Amen”.

(I am The First and The Last), are no doubt a reference to Isaiah 44:6, “This is what Yahweh, the King of Israel and its Redeemer, Yahweh of Hosts, says: I am the first and I am the last. There is no god but Me” (also 48:12). On Revelation 1:17, Dr Thayer says in his Greek lexicon, “ὁ πρῶτος καί ὁ ἔσχατος, i. e. the eternal One”. Jesus goes on to say, literally in verse 18,

As we shall see, Jesus’ words here about the Father being “Greater” than Himself, is functional, which is post Incarnational, as The Mediator, and not eternal.

This chapter begins with the words spoken by Jesus Christ, where He says, “Let not your heart be troubled. You believe in God, believe also in Me”. It is clear from these words, that Jesus is saying to trust in the Father, and equally trust in Him. Where the Greek καί (also), is used for “sameness”. Only One Who is Himself God, could give this assurance of having faith in Him, as in the Father.

In verse 6 Jesus says, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me”, where the emphasis is on the fact that He, and He alone, is THE Way, THE Truth and THE Life. Jesus here is the Mediator between humans and God the Father, as is speaking as the God-Man.

When Philip asks Jesus to “show us the Father, and it is enough for us” (v.8), Jesus rebukes him for this, and says, “Have I been with you such a long time and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father. And how do you say, Show us the Father?” (9). This does not mean that Jesus Christ is saying that He is the same Person as the Father, but, that He is equal to the Father, and what He says, is what the Father also says. He goes on to say, “Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in Me? The Words that I speak to you I do not speak of Myself, but the Father who dwells in Me, He does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the very works themselves” (vs. 10-11). This is more than the “union” that believers have with God, as Jesus speaks of in chapter 17:21-22. Jesus is clear that His Authority is equal to the Father’s, and that what He says, should be enough, as the Father’s Authority is not “Greater” than His own, as God.

In Matthew 12:18, we read, “Behold, My Servant whom I have chosen, My Beloved with whom My soul is well pleased. I will put My Spirit upon Hm, and He will proclaim justice to the Gentiles”. The “Servant”, is Jesus Christ, as was foretold in the Old Testament Prophecy. Jesus says of Himself, “even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” Where it is clear that He considered Himself to be “The Servant” of God the Father, to Whom He made Himself “subject”, during after His Incarnation.

In John 14:28, Jesus uses “μειζων”, by way of comparison with the Father, while He was on earth. In Hebrews 2:9, we read, “But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone”. Where Jesus is said to be “ἐλαττόω”, that is, “inferior” to even the created angels, because of His “suffering of death”. This position as we can see, is only “for a little while”, which is Incarnational. In John 13:16, Jesus says, “Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him”. This is also true of Him during His time on earth, as He is The Servant, and was also “Sent” by God the Father. It is clear form this, what Jesus means in 14:28.
I agree with you that Jesus and the Father aren't the same person. I didn't notice anything about you stance of being. Do you consider them to be one and the same being as many do.

As far as equality goes, I disagree. I think much of what you've written here is based on inference and not actually what the Bible teaches. There is much in the Bible that clearly shows the Father is supreme above all.

Though if we start from a position of the Trinity, it's not hard to read that idea into many passages. The question is does the Bible support the Trinity concept? I would argue, no, it does not.
 
I agree with you that Jesus and the Father aren't the same person. I didn't notice anything about you stance of being. Do you consider them to be one and the same being as many do.

As far as equality goes, I disagree. I think much of what you've written here is based on inference and not actually what the Bible teaches. There is much in the Bible that clearly shows the Father is supreme above all.

Though if we start from a position of the Trinity, it's not hard to read that idea into many passages. The question is does the Bible support the Trinity concept? I would argue, no, it does not.

The Bible is very clear, that the Father is Yahweh; Jesus Christ is Yahweh; and the Holy Spirit is Yahweh

This means that the Father in the eternal Godhead, or Divine Nature, is not in any way "superior" to either Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit.

One of the clearest verses in the Bible, that is conclusive Jesus Christ is coequal with the Father, and Almighty God, is Jesus' own words in John 5:23

" in order that all may honor the Son, just-as they are honoring the Father. He who is not honoring the Son, is not honoring the Father who sent Him"

Here Jesus, as the God-Man, during His Incarnation on earth, when he was “subordinate” to the Father, Who He Himself said, “is Greater than I” (John 14:28), says very clearly, that ALL humans “Honor the Son”, “just as”, (καθὼς) “according as”, “they Honor the Father”. And, they who do not “Honor” Jesus Christ, do not either “Honor” the Father, Who sent Him. Some argue, that because Jesus Christ was “sent” by the Father, He is therefore not “equal” to the Father. This verse shows this thinking to be very much wrong! To demand EQUAL HONOR to God the Father, is only possible if Jesus Christ Himself IS YHWH, exactly as the Father is YHWH. No created being, or subordinate Person, can ever make such a statement, without it being the highest form of blasphemy! Also in this verse, we have Jesus was being “sent” by The Father (τὸν πατέρα), showing their “distinction” as Persons, which some deny!
 
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