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The hypocrisy of the World

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In Matt 23 alone, Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites 7 times.

In today's society, at least here in the US I am struck by the hypocrisy.

We are told to "coexist" (no hyphen in their spelling of it).
Yet they take prayer out of schools, take references of God out of our pledge of allegiance, and remove the 10 commandments from our court rooms.

The separation of Church and State in the US wasn't created so the church wouldn't tell the government what to do. It was created so the government wouldn't tell the church what to do, and yet they are more and more.

Society says save the whales, save the owls, support PETA (these aren't necessarily bad things) but it's OK to give up human life and have abortions. Almost six times as much money is spent on saving the animals as saving the humans. Which life is more important?

Society says we weren't created, we evolved, the strongest species will survive. If you really believe that, why are you trying to save the endangered species? (Again, not a bad thing, but where are your priorities?)

Sometimes we Christians are also accused of being hypocrites, and sometimes we are. The good news is, we are forgiven in spite of it.
 
we'll its like in politics, talk of world peace in front of audience and sell weapons under of the table...
it's about gain and controlling and being in peace in the end.

so they allow religions openly as all accepted but forbid practicing them wherever.
 
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We're becoming so politically correct that in Britain now, wearing a crucifix necklace on the job, is being considered as offensive! It's all working towards this new-age movement, where they're trying to incorporate all faiths under the same banner. Their goal is to try and convince people to accept a universalist faith, because ''all paths lead to God anyway''.
 
I hear what you are saying but you know the hypocrisey of the world does not bother me and actually expected. The world is suppose to do wrong,are they not?I understand that americas christians expect the Government to get saved and make us all safe and cushy in our homes. but you know , its not, We are called to battle.
You mention the pharisees and I consider them symbolic of the church not the world. Thats the hypocrisey that bothers me is in the church. Please, its so obvious, the majority of churches are concerned about what they wear on sunday and the comfort of the pews.

Christians are forgiven for being hypocrites? if they ask for it and repent from it! judgement starts at the house of God, Many will come in the day and say , HI,Jesus, i know you, i went to that full gospel church and prayed for people, and Jesus will say I NEVER KNEW YOU.
 
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In Matt 23 alone, Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites 7 times.

In today's society, at least here in the US I am struck by the hypocrisy.

We are told to "coexist" (no hyphen in their spelling of it).
Yet they take prayer out of schools, take references of God out of our pledge of allegiance, and remove the 10 commandments from our court rooms.

The separation of Church and State in the US wasn't created so the church wouldn't tell the government what to do. It was created so the government wouldn't tell the church what to do, and yet they are more and more.

Society says save the whales, save the owls, support PETA (these aren't necessarily bad things) but it's OK to give up human life and have abortions. Almost six times as much money is spent on saving the animals as saving the humans. Which life is more important?

Society says we weren't created, we evolved, the strongest species will survive. If you really believe that, why are you trying to save the endangered species? (Again, not a bad thing, but where are your priorities?)

Sometimes we Christians are also accused of being hypocrites, and sometimes we are. The good news is, we are forgiven in spite of it.
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Not surprising...They are of their father the devil..But we are not of his world. We walk in the Word (honor, integrity, truth, love, we walk in the Blessing in Healing, in prosperity {of all kinds} we walk in the anointing, the same anointing as JESUS.)


Psalms 119:2-3
2Blessed are they that keep His Word, and that seek Him with the whole heart.
3They also do no iniquity: for they walk in His ways.

All of the above words, honor, integrity healing etc are all JESUS.
 
I hear what you are saying but you know the hypocrisey of the world does not bother me and actually expected. The world is suppose to do wrong,are they not?I understand that americas christians expect the Government to get saved and make us all safe and cushy in our homes. but you know , its not, We are called to battle.
You mention the pharisees and I consider them symbolic of the church not the world. Thats the hypocrisey that bothers me is in the church. Please, its so obvious, the majority of churches are concerned about what they wear on sunday and the comfort of the pews.

Christians are forgiven for being hypocrites? if they ask for it and repent from it! judgement starts at the house of God, Many will come in the day and say , HI,Jesus, i know you, i went to that full gospel church and prayed for people, and Jesus will say I NEVER KNEW YOU.

Hear Hear!
 
I hear what you are saying but you know the hypocrisey of the world does not bother me and actually expected. The world is suppose to do wrong,are they not?I understand that americas christians expect the Government to get saved and make us all safe and cushy in our homes. but you know , its not, We are called to battle.
You mention the pharisees and I consider them symbolic of the church not the world. Thats the hypocrisey that bothers me is in the church. Please, its so obvious, the majority of churches are concerned about what they wear on sunday and the comfort of the pews.

Christians are forgiven for being hypocrites? if they ask for it and repent from it! judgement starts at the house of God, Many will come in the day and say , HI,Jesus, i know you, i went to that full gospel church and prayed for people, and Jesus will say I NEVER KNEW YOU.

God knows you only if you goto battle?
is it that you earn your recognition status with God by works and good servanthood?
does not seem very biblical to me. as salvation is by grace.
 
Of Course brother Jari you are most correct!!Salvation is indeed by grace! I do not believe that is twc is talking about though,when we are in God's army, are there not going to be battles to fight,if not just for us,for others we love in God. ( 1 Samuel 17:50) is a great example of such a battle.

Please do look at the entire chapter. Was this battle just David's? Or was David the only one who was brave enough to fight the battle for others?As you can see courage is spoken many times by God,in which those in his Army are always to have. What is the greater truth the Church needs to look at themselves today in?

That they say they are believers,or that because they do believe they are saved by Christ,do they act like believers? Animals look the same, as they act.A dog acts like a dog,a cat ,a cat etc.. But many believers are not acting as if they are believers! Hence the conflict.

We are saved by grace,but in that grace given,do we just let others in Christ do the fighting,the fighting we ourselves are suppose to do,since we are already on the battlefield! Many Churches are teaching a lazy way into the Kingdom of God. Just say you believe and that will be enough to make it. Is that a true statement? For if this is true,then we have no need to preform as we are plainly called to do.

We have no need to do anything except just sit back, and watch others fight,fighting not just for themselves,but fighting to represent our Lord and Savior,as an acting believer,instead of a believer who just says he or she is one. How do we truly confess Jesus?( matt 10:32-33) By just words? or by action associated with those words,for words mean nothing without action,and action means nothing without belief in our words. Meaning this.

Our words are to go with our actions,not against them.Which I believe is the point this brother was making.If I am wrong please do correct me! We can deny Jesus not by just words,but also by what we do. ( matt 7:21) Not everyone who SAYS to ME Lord Lord shall enter the Kingdom of heaven,BUT!!! he who DOES the will of my Father who is in heaven. Words without action mean???? amen NOTHING!!

Many practice there religion,but if that practice is not based upon the Word,what value does it have? I believe, but have no works? I believe,but have no love? LOVE has action! It is not just spoken. I believe this was what the brother was saying,and rightly so! I sure agree!
 
God knows you only if you goto battle?
is it that you earn your recognition status with God by works and good servanthood?
does not seem very biblical to me. as salvation is by grace.

You misunderstand what twc is saying jari. The 'hypocrites' are those who profess to know Christ, but their profession is not backed up by submission to His way (John 15:12)

Christs grace leaves a very distinguishable mark of ownership upon the true Christian, our hearts are branded by His grace so to speak. If we are really sheep of His pasture, we will be following our Shepherd, and be doing what He has told us to do.


Read what Jesus said in John 14:23 "Those who love me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and my Father and I will come to them and live with them. Those who do not love me do not obey my teaching."
 
sorry Brighthouse...guess we were both 'talking' at the same time...God is not the author of confusion, a Coconut is.
 
You misunderstand what twc is saying jari. The 'hypocrites' are those who profess to know Christ, but their profession is not backed up by submission to His way (John 15:12)

Christs grace leaves a very distinguishable mark of ownership upon the true Christian, our hearts are branded by His grace so to speak. If we are really sheep of His pasture, we will be following our Shepherd, and be doing what He has told us to do.


Read what Jesus said in John 14:23 "Those who love me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and my Father and I will come to them and live with them. Those who do not love me do not obey my teaching."

think i knew what he meant :wink:

and i think if you stay home in coziness God doesn't start "never knowing" you.

he either knows you or He doesn't.
 
But many believers are not acting as if they are believers! Hence the conflict.

have you thought they maybe just weak in faith?

and if some one acts like christian doesnt mean he has faith. opposite could be very well true.
which makes him a hypocrite.. acting but not believing..
 
God knows you only if you goto battle?
is it that you earn your recognition status with God by works and good servanthood?
does not seem very biblical to me. as salvation is by grace.
Is salvation only about where you go when you die?Whats going to happen when we overcome death?

1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

The people in my world need saved from themselves now and that requires a work by faithful believers who know God's word and are willing to believe that we have been given a victory over sin,sickness and even death.
Each one of us is the house of God so Judgement begins in our mind and heart.Then hopefully the log will be removed and we can begin the corporate cleaning in our families and when some can perform that then maybe those clean families will begin to be heard in the larger corporate body of the church.

think i knew what he meant :wink:

and i think if you stay home in coziness God doesn't start "never knowing" you.

he either knows you or He doesn't.
I agree,but that's just boring.How about some salvation from boredom?
We can build a reputation in the spiritual world now.

Acts 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said to them, "I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?"


This spirit recognized Jesus's authority and it only heard about Paul's and we know the rest of the story.
I think the salvation issue is taken care of but now what?
I think the issue of being "known by Jesus" is not necessarily about where you go when you die.
 
Hi Thiscrosshurts

We can build a reputation in the spiritual world now.

Acts 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said to them, "I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?"

This spirit recognized Jesus's authority and it only heard about Paul's and we know the rest of the story.

we have rebutation only and only if we become God's child by God's power.

(Joh 1:12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

faith in Jesus makes us saved and God's child. We will then receive indwell of Holy spirit:

(Rom 8:11) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.



I think the salvation issue is taken care of but now what?
I think the issue of being "known by Jesus" is not necessarily about where you go when you die.

from what i read it certainly is. as Jesus never except them in or told them to depart from Him whom he said He doesn't know them.
i think that's always because they weren't saved by Jesus.
 
(Joh 1:12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

They are received and given power to "become the Sons of God".
You can be given power to do something and never actually do it.
Unless you believe that we have to die(we do have to die to ourselves) to become sons of God.

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

I don't think we have to succumb to the thief to have abundant life so I doubt that salvation is about getting to heaven when you die.

Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised
us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

As far as I can tell we were there when the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world.

1 John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
I see it all as a done deal and we just need to believe God over our carnal mind and five senses.
 
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They are received and given power to "become the Sons of God".
You can be given power to do something and never actually do it.

without the power human cant become son of God. with the power i believe it happens by faith. the holy spirit it self gives us faith, i think this is the power.
So God really gives us the power so that we will be saved.
note it says as many as received him... to them he gave the power.
it doesn't say as many as were strong in faith...
so the power given, gives faith, i believe.

and then we would be saved by faith thanks to God's holy spirit.


I don't think we have to succumb to the thief to have abundant life so I doubt that salvation is about getting to heaven when you die.

you don't believe in heaven?
 
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In Matt 23 alone, Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites 7 times.

In today's society, at least here in the US I am struck by the hypocrisy.

We are told to "coexist" (no hyphen in their spelling of it).
Yet they take prayer out of schools, take references of God out of our pledge of allegiance, and remove the 10 commandments from our court rooms.

The separation of Church and State in the US wasn't created so the church wouldn't tell the government what to do. It was created so the government wouldn't tell the church what to do, and yet they are more and more.

Society says save the whales, save the owls, support PETA (these aren't necessarily bad things) but it's OK to give up human life and have abortions. Almost six times as much money is spent on saving the animals as saving the humans. Which life is more important?

Society says we weren't created, we evolved, the strongest species will survive. If you really believe that, why are you trying to save the endangered species? (Again, not a bad thing, but where are your priorities?)

Sometimes we Christians are also accused of being hypocrites, and sometimes we are. The good news is, we are forgiven in spite of it.

There is a difference that needs to be noted here.

Removing influence of faith in public schools:

This removes required events from public schools that have direct influence from a religion. Most common would be the pledge. What if our Gods name (which is God), was replaced with Allah? Would you say it then? Would you sit there and refuse to say the pledge altogether? Keep in mind that you are not allowed to walk out, but you do have to sit there every single day and listen to all other classmates do it. What if a school requires students to take 10 minutes every day out for prayer time? Not only is this prayer time in general, but is boasted as Christian prayer time. Now switch it around, what if it was Islamic prayer time a few times a day? How would that make you or your fellow Christians feel?

An all out ban:

This would be banning it all. If a student is caught praying, they are punished and urged not to do so. If you are talking about any faith outside of the actual curriculum and research sake (you know what I mean, not for personal research but for school research), you are punished. If a teacher isn't equal when it comes to teaching about religions of history, they are punished. This is when everything is banned, no religion is allowed in sight at all.

It's obvious enough to me that the fair option is situation one. The influence, and not the freedom should be removed from public schools. School is a place to learn, express yourself freely, and to witness and exercise your freedom. It is not a place for religious wars and persecution.

Religion and faith should not be banned, but the influence should be removed out of fairness alone. This is encouragement to co-exist, banning encourages lack of freedom.

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The separation of church and state was created to do just that. It has grown into not letting each faction influence the other. Take for example the bill that required companies and organizations to pay for birth control for their employees. This bill was actually passed I believe. However, churches could actually opt out of this requirement. The catholic church does not need to provide birth control for their employees. Public schools belong to the state. Separation of church and state will be enforced properly if the influence was removed. However, there are times when the church and state do clash. I won't deny that at all.

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I can explain why we focus on wildlife so much! When a species dies out, the whole system actually does mess up and is forced to rearrange itself. This can cause a whole lot of unseen chaos, and maybe even wipe out another species or two down the line. We ARE effected by a species dying out, even if it's just some spider somewhere. It might not be a HUGE difference, but it is a difference. If we lose too much, we could actually be wiped out sooner than we expect.

However, when it comes to abortions I agree with you. I am pro-life, but my vision on it becomes a bit more grey when it comes to rape victims. Won't get too much into that, there is a whole thread about it elsewhere lol. It's a personal struggle is all, nothing to argue. Instead of saying "let them do what they want", why doesn't the government reach out to save the life of the adorable babies? Pay the mother to go through with the pregnancy and to give her baby to a welcoming home! Doesn't that sound much better? Much more logical? That's actually a wonderful idea, I honestly can't believe I thought of it on my own lol.

LIFE is important, whether it be a baby panda in asia or a baby human in england. We are humanity, we have built and created things that were impossible to imagine 200 hundred years ago. We CAN save and protect all life on this planet. It is far from impossible. We are not helpless.

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I assume you are talking about society as a whole. If not feel free to correct me. :)

I haven't heard society or the majority scream that we were not created. I am still fairly sure most US citizens are religious in some way, if not Christian. I have heard evolution here and there though, but very rarely as an excuse to not be a creationist. This is only personal experience though, I can't exactly speak for everyone.
 
without the power human cant become son of God. with the power i believe it happens by faith. the holy spirit it self gives us faith, i think this is the power.
So God really gives us the power so that we will be saved.
note it says as many as received him... to them he gave the power.
it doesn't say as many as were strong in faith...
so the power given, gives faith, i believe.

and then we would be saved by faith thanks to God's holy spirit.
I agree and I don't think I've ever heard it explained more clearly.
Being strong in faith is not what gets you accepted or saved.

This verse certainly backs your position:
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(by the way Jesus is the "last Day")

There is a little bit of issue with time in all this:
John 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

Jesus knew from the beginning.The beginning of what?
The Lamb was slain from the beginning so if you ever believed you were there in that Lamb company at the foundation.

Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised
us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
It seems like this happened 2000 years ago but some think it hasn't happened yet.Well in time it won't happen until the return of Christ but it already happened at the foundation of the world because that Lamb was slain from the foundation.

I believe in heaven,I'm just not waiting to go there because I'm already there.
Heaven is his throne and the earth is his footstool:
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Acts 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool

The new creature is born from heaven and can be equipped with skills and tools to be footstool makers.If I never fullfil this quest then I am still received in heaven because I never even left but how embarrassing would that be if you never boldly believed God's word and walked in faith.I'm just glad God is judging me and not myself.
 
yeah faith really comes from God.

those are good verses thanks.

heres one more:

(Heb 12:2) Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
 
heres one more:

(Heb 12:2) Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Yes that does give a clearer picture,the closest I can come to explaining it is that some remain loved infants and some have their faith finished and go on to become sons.
In the end both are loved even if they failed.That may explain why some will receive stripes and some various rewards.I am not so certain "never knew you" is total condemnation,maybe just missing a wedding party for being a party pooper.

This verse I believe explains the new birth/creature created in Christ who cannot sin.The new man we must put on.
You can wait until he comes but you can start putting him on now too:
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,
even the Son of man which is in heaven.

I can't say I totally understand the time issues but Jesus many times used the term "the time is coming and now is".This leads me to believe time is not what we think it is.
 
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