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The Pagan Disobedient Church of Today

Dylan569

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The law of Moses did not prescribe any musical instruments in worship. It was added by King David. When we look at the command to observe all that HE commanded, no mention is made about musical instruments in the church. Where and when did that pagan practice begin?

"The early Church did not use musical instruments in its worship. It was not until the eighth century that musical instruments were first introduced into the worship of the Western Church.

The early Church fathers had strong views on the use of musical instruments in worship. They considered the practice as pagan or Jewish rather than Christian. Dr Hughes Oliphant Old, in his work on The Patristic Roots of Reformed Worship, says:

As is well known, the ancient Church did not admit the use of instrumental music in worship. It was looked upon as a form of worship which like the sacrifices of the Jerusalem temple prefigured the worship in spirit and truth. Some Fathers regarded it as pagan practice. Even today the Eastern Orthodox Church does not permit organs."

To repeat, in Matt. 28:20, Jesus commanded the 11 apostles to teach the disciples to observe what HE HAS COMMANDED. Can anyone find where there is a command to use musical instruments in the New Testament? Even Martin Luther, a lover of music, did not use musical instruments in the worship.

Then what does the New Covenant say about the church, leadership and women?

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve, and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." (1Ti 2:12-14 NRSVue)

"Women should be silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak but should be subordinate, as the law also says. If there is something they want to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church." (1Co 14:34-35 NRSVue

"I left you behind in Crete for this reason, so that you should put in order what remained to be done and should appoint elders in every town, as I directed you: someone who is blameless, married only once, whose children are believers, not accused of debauchery and not rebellious. For a bishop, as God’s steward, must be blameless; he must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or addicted to wine or violent or greedy for gain, but he must be hospitable, a lover of goodness, self-controlled, upright, devout, and restrained, holding tightly to the trustworthy word of the teaching, so that he may be able both to exhort with sound instruction and to refute those who contradict it."(Tit 1:5-9 NRSVue)

"The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of God’s church?" (1Ti 3:1-5 NRSVue)

The churches of today are filled with the pagan music of the world, falsely calling it Christian. The churches are more and more being led by women, as they are also beginning to lead in most of the world today. DOES ANYONE TRULY THINK GOD WILL BLESS THIS DISOBEDIENCE?
 
The law of Moses did not prescribe any musical instruments in worship. It was added by King David. When we look at the command to observe all that HE commanded, no mention is made about musical instruments in the church. Where and when did that pagan practice begin?

"The early Church did not use musical instruments in its worship. It was not until the eighth century that musical instruments were first introduced into the worship of the Western Church.

The early Church fathers had strong views on the use of musical instruments in worship. They considered the practice as pagan or Jewish rather than Christian. Dr Hughes Oliphant Old, in his work on The Patristic Roots of Reformed Worship, says:

As is well known, the ancient Church did not admit the use of instrumental music in worship. It was looked upon as a form of worship which like the sacrifices of the Jerusalem temple prefigured the worship in spirit and truth. Some Fathers regarded it as pagan practice. Even today the Eastern Orthodox Church does not permit organs."

To repeat, in Matt. 28:20, Jesus commanded the 11 apostles to teach the disciples to observe what HE HAS COMMANDED. Can anyone find where there is a command to use musical instruments in the New Testament? Even Martin Luther, a lover of music, did not use musical instruments in the worship.

Then what does the New Covenant say about the church, leadership and women?

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve, and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." (1Ti 2:12-14 NRSVue)

"Women should be silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak but should be subordinate, as the law also says. If there is something they want to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church." (1Co 14:34-35 NRSVue

"I left you behind in Crete for this reason, so that you should put in order what remained to be done and should appoint elders in every town, as I directed you: someone who is blameless, married only once, whose children are believers, not accused of debauchery and not rebellious. For a bishop, as God’s steward, must be blameless; he must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or addicted to wine or violent or greedy for gain, but he must be hospitable, a lover of goodness, self-controlled, upright, devout, and restrained, holding tightly to the trustworthy word of the teaching, so that he may be able both to exhort with sound instruction and to refute those who contradict it."(Tit 1:5-9 NRSVue)

"The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, keeping his children submissive and respectful in every way, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how can he take care of God’s church?" (1Ti 3:1-5 NRSVue)

The churches of today are filled with the pagan music of the world, falsely calling it Christian. The churches are more and more being led by women, as they are also beginning to lead in most of the world today. DOES ANYONE TRULY THINK GOD WILL BLESS THIS DISOBEDIENCE?
GOD will be delighted to know women are teaching Bible truth!
 
GOD will be delighted to know women are teaching Bible truth!
If I write using human expression, I seriously doubt that GOD is 'delighted' to see your flippant statement on his Holy Spirit inspired scripture. But your smarta$$ response is typical of you. If that was not acceptable, "smart alec" response. Your posts on here sound more like a troll, rather than someone with Christian seriousness about God's word.
 
No earthly father not our Heavenly Father enjoys being "worshiped".

John 5:
39 ¶Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
41 I receive not honour from men.
42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

That is why our "Abba Father/Daddy" said we have to Love Him with our whole heart soul mind and power. And He never send His Kids with their Apostolic Gift out to create "worship meetings". The only Meeting He Loves are "Edifying Meetings". Where He enjoys raising His Kids in His Life. And of course that mean that He also gives Edifying songs to enjoy. Because Edifying Songs raises His Kids in His Life. While worship songs create slavery. Where you can only worship someone as his slave. Where you are of a lesser being than the person you worship. While as Kids of God born of Him we are not "lesser beings" anymore but Children in being the same as He is.

Gal. 4:
1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Thus the Children of God and God their Daddy enjoys Edifying Meetings.

1 Cor. 14: 26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

And Edifying Songs.

 
If I write using human expression, I seriously doubt that GOD is 'delighted' to see your flippant statement on his Holy Spirit inspired scripture. But your smarta$$ response is typical of you. If that was not acceptable, "smart alec" response. Your posts on here sound more like a troll, rather than someone with Christian seriousness about God's word.
You wouldn't recognise a Christian if Jesus appeared in front of you!
Get a Bible and start learning instead of going cretin and accusing me of being a troll!
 
accusing me of being a troll!
In the Spirit I can see you are no "troll", "Sister". But you are surely a "Baby of God in carnality".


1 Cor 3: 1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? 5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

In carnality you hide your real you away in darkness. And all you give us is your knowledge of your mind. With that you can not enter Love Relationships. And thus you make no Treasures for heaven. You will enter heaven a "poor soul" because your wealth is in Relationships formed in giving all your "soul". Where the real you is given. But because of its disgrace in still being human in carnality you are hiding your real life behind a big "R". You need the Light and to come to the Light in being Real, "Sister". That is the Requirement of Love Relationships which you are running from.

John 3: 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
 
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