The war within

[At Peace]

Did God really change His mind? Consider what the following verses mean:

"If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.
And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God.
But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD.
These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses." Lev 26:40-46

God was ready to destroy Israel on a few occasions, but Moses talked Him out of it.

 

[amadeus2]

God was ready to destroy Israel on a few occasions, but Moses talked Him out of it.

Did he... or did Moses move into what God had already spoken with a result which God had already foreknown?

 

[B-A-C]

Exod 32:14; So the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people.

Jerem 26:13; Now therefore amend your ways and your deeds and obey the voice of the Lord your God; and the Lord will change His mind about the misfortune which He has pronounced against you.

Jerem 26:19; Did Hezekiah king of Judah and all Judah put him to death? Did he not fear the Lord and entreat the favor of the Lord, and the Lord changed His mind about the misfortune which He had pronounced against them? But we are committing a great evil against ourselves.

Amos 7:3; The Lord changed His mind about this.
“It shall not be,” said the Lord

Amos 7:6; The Lord changed His mind about this.
“This too shall not be,” said the Lord God

 

[Curtis]

God was ready to destroy Israel on a few occasions, but Moses talked Him out of it.

If God knows, and understands everything before it happens, then God did exactly what he already knew he would without ever changing his mind. It only seems to us he did change his mind because we did not know what he was going to do!

Besides, the Lord God knew in advance that Moses would intercede for the nation of Israel so he would not harm them.

Pro 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.

Moses simple said what God wanted him to say!!!!

 

[At Peace]

Exod 32:14; So the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people.

Jerem 26:13; Now therefore amend your ways and your deeds and obey the voice of the Lord your God; and the Lord will change His mind about the misfortune which He has pronounced against you.

Jerem 26:19; Did Hezekiah king of Judah and all Judah put him to death? Did he not fear the Lord and entreat the favor of the Lord, and the Lord changed His mind about the misfortune which He had pronounced against them? But we are committing a great evil against ourselves.

Amos 7:3; The Lord changed His mind about this.
“It shall not be,” said the Lord

Amos 7:6; The Lord changed His mind about this.
“This too shall not be,” said the Lord God

It seems you have answered your own question.

 

[At Peace]

If God knows, and understands everything before it happens, then God did exactly what he already knew he would without ever changing his mind. It only seems to us he did change his mind because we did not know what he was going to do!

Besides, the Lord God knew in advance that Moses would intercede for the nation of Israel so he would not harm them.

Pro 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.

Moses simple said what God wanted him to say!!!!

...and God changes His mind.

 

[amadeus2]

...and God changes His mind.

Does He really or do we simply move from being cursed to blessed or blessed to cursed based on what we have said or done with respect to what God has already said? [Does God need to repeat Himself?] It may appear that God has changed His mind and when it is written [in scripture] it may read that way, but is it not we who have changed?

"So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." Isa 55:11

"For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed." Mal 3:6

 

[Curtis]

I'm sure glad God gives us a new mind, (1 Cor 2:16), when we crucify the flesh

This is not true, no one crucifies the flesh (mind), and then gets the mind of Christ. Your religion is based on your works, not the work of God!!!
A born again person gets the mind of Christ even when his carnal mind has not yet been renewed at his new birth!!!

You might be fooling some people on this forum, but you are not fooling me!!!
You are trying to teach "another Gospel", and you believe in "another Jesus" (2 Cor 11:4)

 

[At Peace]

Does He really or do we simply move from being cursed to blessed or blessed to cursed based on what we have said or done with respect to what God has already said? [Does God need to repeat Himself?] It may appear that God has changed His mind and when it is written [in scripture] it may read that way, but is it not we who have changed?

"So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." Isa 55:11

"For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed." Mal 3:6

Just today I saw another instance of the unchangeable God changing His mind.
I'm reading Ezekiel, and EZ 4:12-15 is an example of God changing His mind.
God can be "unchangeable", and still change His mind on occasion.

 

[At Peace]

This is not true, no one crucifies the flesh (mind), and then gets the mind of Christ. Your religion is based on your works, not the work of God!!!
A born again person gets the mind of Christ even when his carnal mind has not yet been renewed at his new birth!!!

You might be fooling some people on this forum, but you are not fooling me!!!
You are trying to teach "another Gospel", and you believe in "another Jesus" (2 Cor 11:4)

Your POV is against what is written in 2 Cor 5:17..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
"All things are become new".
That includes the mind.
Thanks be to God!

 

[amadeus2]

Just today I saw another instance of the unchangeable God changing His mind.
I'm reading Ezekiel, and EZ 4:12-15 is an example of God changing His mind.
God can be "unchangeable", and still change His mind on occasion.

"And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.
And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them.
Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! behold, my soul hath not been polluted: for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dieth of itself, or is torn in pieces; neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth.
Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith." Ezek 4:12-15

What is God doing here other than testing the man? God knows His own laws as given to Moses. Consider this:

"And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common." Acts 10:13-15

God has never changed, but man has changed from the time of the first man Adam and continuing, usually for the worse. God has helped man to improve when man would accept His help. God never changed. And Jesus...?

"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." Heb 13:8

Yet Jesus became a man and died and rose again. Were these not changes...or?

 

[Curtis]

Your POV is against what is written in 2 Cor 5:17..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
"All things are become new".
That includes the mind.

You will NOT find anyone here or any true believer that would agree with your interpretation, certainly not any of the Apostles.

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Why would anyone "renew" something that is already new?

 

[At Peace]

"And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.
And the LORD said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread among the Gentiles, whither I will drive them.
Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! behold, my soul hath not been polluted: for from my youth up even till now have I not eaten of that which dieth of itself, or is torn in pieces; neither came there abominable flesh into my mouth.
Then he said unto me, Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith." Ezek 4:12-15

What is God doing here other than testing the man? God knows His own laws as given to Moses. Consider this:

"And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common." Acts 10:13-15

God has never changed, but man has changed from the time of the first man Adam and continuing, usually for the worse. God has helped man to improve when man would accept His help. God never changed. And Jesus...?

"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." Heb 13:8

Yet Jesus became a man and died and rose again. Were these not changes...or?

You have flipped from a "no, God doesn't change" to a "God does change" position.
I have noticed this "cover both sides of the fence" tactic before.
Please keep it simple for us folks.
Thanks.

 

[amadeus2]

You have flipped from a "no, God doesn't change" to a "God does change" position.
I have noticed this "cover both sides of the fence" tactic before.
Please keep it simple for us folks.
Thanks.

Simple?

I have not changed my position. What I see is that God spoke the Word, all of it that we have before any of us were around. Was this not Jesus? Whether we are subject to His curses or His blessing is dependent on what each of us do. God does not react to our errors really at the moment of the error. He had already spoken and we simply invoked what He has previously spoken:

"He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations." Psalm 105:8

"Order my steps in thy word: and let not any iniquity have dominion over me." Psalm 119:133

"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever." Psalm 119:160

"But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you." I Peter 1:25

And what or who is this Word that was before we were?

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:14

The Word became flesh in Bethlehem about 2000 years ago, but did not the Word of God exist long before there were any men at all? What does God have to say to us that He, having foreknowledge, has not already said?

It is never God changing His position or His Word. If anything changes for better or for worse, is it not man who has changed?

 

[At Peace]

It is never God changing His position or His Word. If anything changes for better or for worse, is it not man who has changed?

He changed His command to Ezekiel, in Ezekiel 4:12-15.
That doesn't mean God Himself changed.

 

[amadeus2]

He changed His command to Ezekiel, in Ezekiel 4:12-15.
That doesn't mean God Himself changed.

Well you still don't understand what I've been saying, so I will leave it here. May God richly bless you as you walk with Him!

 

[Br. Bear]

Simple?

I have not changed my position. What I see is that God spoke the Word, all of it that we have before any of us were around. Was this not Jesus? Whether we are subject to His curses or His blessing is dependent on what each of us do. God does not react to our errors really at the moment of the error. He had already spoken and we simply invoked what He has previously spoken:

"He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations." Psalm 105:8

"Order my steps in thy word: and let not any iniquity have dominion over me." Psalm 119:133

"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever." Psalm 119:160

"But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you." I Peter 1:25

And what or who is this Word that was before we were?

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." John 1:14

The Word became flesh in Bethlehem about 2000 years ago, but did not the Word of God exist long before there were any men at all? What does God have to say to us that He, having foreknowledge, has not already said?

It is never God changing His position or His Word. If anything changes for better or for worse, is it not man who has changed?

Who has known the mind of the Lord that he should be His counsellor?

yes, He sent forth His Word and in due season His Word was and is manifested.
As a gardener may sow his seed and has confidence that what he has sown will indeed spring forth in due seasons and times and it shall bear fruit according to that seed.
Now the parable is this: The seed is the Word of God. Luke 8:11


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

I wonder if some of us have gotten as comfortable listening to all three.
Maybe sometimes we should get up and turn the radio off.

could be a case of deciding which one you are going to listen to and knowing the difference?


Bless you ....><>