under the carpet

[johnny botwrigh]

i have never read the koran, nor do i know any Muslim taechings,
you either cannot read, or you have poor vision,
because i said nothing of the kind, so do not misrepresent me, with a false claim,
What i did say, and stand by, is that i do believe God has a plan to bring gentiles, and jews to salvation, and is not going to sweep the arab nations under the carpet.

i believe God has a plan, that will see many people under the heavy yoke of Islam, being set free, and coming to salvation,
through our Lord Jesus christ.

it is not our Christian duty to promote anti Muslim feelings. it is our duty, to share with all men of what ever creed faith or religion.
the salvation of God.
The gospel shall first be preached in all the world,
and then the end shall come.

Less look at something in a different way for a moment,
Instead of Jesus telling the story of the good Samaritan,
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I do not know who the Samaritans were, what they believed, its written the jews had no dealings with them, so there was no love lost between them, how anti jewish the Samaritans were I could not also say,
May be some one who knows more can put us in the picture.
Luke 10 verse 30
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Now what if Jesus had said, the priest walked by, the levite, but a certain Muslim who was on a journey, and had compassion on him,
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And the story was now called, the good Muslim, and not the good Samaritan.
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Like wise when Jesus was at the well, and asked the Samarian women for a drink,
Jesus said if she had asked, he would have given her living water,
Though she was in sin, living with a man, had, had five husbands,
God hates our sin, but loves the man,
We do not agree with the teachings of Islam.
But if we had been born, in an Islamic country, we would have been brought up on this teaching, these people are no different , than you and I,
They are still people, the same red blood flows though their veins, and the same blood, that Jesus shed on the cross, was for them, as well as for us.
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So the story could have read, the Muslim women at the well, john 4 verse 7
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John 8, verse 48
Jesus is accused of being a Samaritan, and having a devil
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The story could have read, he was accused of being a Muslim , and f having a devil,
We are called to be Christians,
We are not called to be a Bigot. Johnny
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[IM4JESUS]

i have never read the koran, nor do i know any Muslim taechings,
you either cannot read, or you have poor vision,
because i said nothing of the kind, so do not misrepresent me, with a false claim,
What i did say, and stand by, is that i do not believe God has a plan to bring gentiles, and jews to salvation, and is going to sweep the arab nations under the carpet.

i believe God has a plan, that will see many people under the heavy yoke of Islam, being set free, and coming to salvation,
through our Lord Jesus christ.

it is not our Christian duty to promote anti Muslim feelings. it is our duty, to share with all men of what ever creed faith or religion.
the salvation of God.
The gospel shall first be preached in all the world,
and then the end shall come.

But what in your mind is deemed as the end? I believe that the believers in CHRIST will be removed from earth before the tribulation begins

 

[johnny botwrigh]

to day is the day of the Lords salvation.

i know christians in china were tolled the same thing, so were totaly unprepared when the persecution started.
Jesus said, we wold be hated by all men, for his name sake.
What i do know is for some their time has already come, we may live to see our childrens children, or today could be our day.
To day is the dy f the Lords salvation,
tomorrw may be to late.
I have through the grace of our Lord Jesus christ, been to heaven by the spirit.
And i have also seen hell on earth,
we know the storm is coming, what i have also seen, as have we all,
A split second 24 hours ccan be the difference, between life or death, heaven or hell.
God bless johnny

 

[IM4JESUS]

i know christians in china were tolled the same thing, so were totaly unprepared when the persecution started.
Jesus said, we wold be hated by all men, for his name sake.
What i do know is for some their time has already come, we may live to see our childrens children, or today could be our day.
To day is the dy f the Lords salvation,
tomorrw may be to late.
I have through the grace of our Lord Jesus christ, been to heaven by the spirit.
And i have also seen hell on earth,
we know the storm is coming, what i have also seen, as have we all,
A split second 24 hours ccan be the difference, between life or death, heaven or hell.
God bless johnny

GOD bless you too Johnny And I agree with you but yet all are unprepared and also unaware as to the reality of events that is leading up to our redemption,Our Rapture is getting closer and I believe that GOD gave me a message just today and I have yet to figure that one out.But until then I will work on that and I should also add that those that are unprepared we should pray for them

 

[johnny botwrigh]

Blow the trumpets

with a right heart and a right spirit we have to share the also warn good news, and also warn people, lest their blood be on our hands,
blow the trumpets in Zion, sound the Alarm,
blessed will they those be doing The Lords will, when he returns like a theif in the night for his bride, the church, those found watching and waiting.
Have you figured out yet, what you feel the Lord has put on your heart?, God bless johnny

 

[RJ]

(Quote)They are still people, the same red blood flows though their veins, and the same blood, that Jesus shed on the cross, was for them, as well as for us.(Quote)

Your substituting the Muslim for the Samaritan, is completely out of context, but saying that, Jesus would have treated the Muslim woman the same as the Samaritan woman. Jesus would have treated any unbeliever the same.

But, If you are trying to say that the God of Abraham, Issac and the Jew will accept the Muslim with their faith in Mohamed and that Jesus was only a great prophet then, you are wrong, and you are preaching Heresy, which is punishable by spiritual death.

On the other hand, if you are saying and you are vague on this, if you are saying that any Muslim that converts to Christianity will be saved,then of course, you are right! That really goes with out saying!

 

[IM4JESUS]

(Quote)They are still people, the same red blood flows though their veins, and the same blood, that Jesus shed on the cross, was for them, as well as for us.(Quote)

Your substituting the Muslim for the Samaritan, is completely out of context, but saying that, Jesus would have treated the Muslim woman the same as the Samaritan woman. Jesus would have treated any unbeliever the same.

But, If you are trying to say that the God of Abraham, Issac and the Jew will accept the Muslim with their faith in Mohamed and that Jesus was only a great prophet then, you are wrong, and you are preaching Heresy, which is punishable by spiritual death.

On the other hand, if you are saying and you are vague on this, if you are saying that any Muslim that converts to Christianity will be saved,then of course, you are right! That really goes with out saying!

How do you figure that Heresy is punishment for spiritual death? that is totally wrong. for JESUS clearlycsaid that there is only 1 unforgivable sin and from what I read in the Bible that sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit

 

[IM4JESUS]

with a right heart and a right spirit we have to share the also warn good news, and also warn people, lest their blood be on our hands,
blow the trumpets in Zion, sound the Alarm,
blessed will they those be doing The Lords will, when he returns like a theif in the night for his bride, the church, those found watching and waiting.
Have you figured out yet, what you feel the Lord has put on your heart?, God bless johnny

Yes all we can do is offer and if they aren't willing to accept we at least tried.
GOD bless you Johnny

 

[RJ]

How do you figure that Heresy is punishment for spiritual death? that is totally wrong. for JESUS clearlycsaid that there is only 1 unforgivable sin and from what I read in the Bible that sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit

Brother,

• Hersey is any doctrine considered contrary to the correct doctrine of the Jewish Torah and of the Christian Bible.
• If you have a doctrine of salvation by any means other than through Jesus Christ, that is Heresy. And if you die physically with this doctrine, you will also die spiritually and be absent from God for all eternity.
• The Unforgiveable Sin, Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, Unbelief in Jesus Christ as the only Savior are all the same and the results will be Spiritual Death.
• If you don't recieve Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, you do not recieve the Holy Spirit that he promised....that is called "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit".

In Christ.

 

[RJ]

Again you are wrong. How do you know of spiritual death? Not accepting JESUS in your heart is not good but that don't mean that you will be spiritually dead don't forget there is sstill time for judgement and even after death one can come to CHRIST.
Sure you may not ascend to Heaven right away but there is still a chance. Prove to me spiritual death in the Bible People can still pray for souls even though they be elsewhere

Friend,

I do not undertand how your TJ name means, I am for Jesus, when you do not even know him.
I have no way of knowing what religion you are into but you obviously do not worship the same God that I do.

I have my belief and opinion based on the Grace of the God of Abraham, Issac and the Jew and his Holy Bible.

I have no idea what you base your belief in.

I have my belief and you have your belief, I respect that and I am respectfully finished with this discussion.

 

[stephen]

Dear Friend

You tell us that you have not read the Koran etc. Neither have you read the bible....

What i did say, and stand by, is that i do not believe God has a plan to bring gentiles, and jews to salvation,


I suggest you read Romans ch 11 and where the Apostle talks........
Rom 11:25

This forum is entitled 'talkjesus' Lets keep talking about the LOrd.

Lets go on...lets go on...talking about this good old way.
Lets go on...lets go on...talking about the LOrd
I feel so much better.....talking about this good old way
I feel so much better....talking about the Lord.

Forgive my ancient language......But on a serious note.....Tell me more about Jesus....Eternal life....indeed.......Life forever can only be found in Jesus. 1 Peter 1:23.........'Incorruptibel seed'.......How wonderful is that?

 

[johnny botwrigh]

nothing is impossable for the Lord

If God has ordained the fall of Islam, it will fall, nothing is impossable for God. if enough christians pray for it, it will happen, according to the Lords plan, for the end time,
Jesus said if we have faith, the size of a mustard seed, which is a very small seed, we can move mountains. less get on our knee,s.

David willkinson had a vision, we would see the fall of Islam, see it believe it, pray for it.

EPHESIANS CHAPTER 6 VERSE 12 FOR OUR STRUGGLE IS NOT AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD, BUT AGAINST PRINCIPALITIES, AGAINST POWERS, AGAINST THE RULERS OF DARKNESS OF THIS WORLD, AGAINST SPIRITUAL WICKNESS IN HIGH PLACES.
God bless johnny

i also made an error, i meant to write, i believe as do we all, God has a plan to bring some gentiles to salvation, us,God has a plan to bring some jews to salvation, and i do not believe God is going to sweep the Arab nations under the carpet.

 

[jiggyfly]

Brother,

• Hersey is any doctrine considered contrary to the correct doctrine of the Jewish Torah and of the Christian Bible.
• If you have a doctrine of salvation by any means other than through Jesus Christ, that is Heresy. And if you die physically with this doctrine, you will also die spiritually and be absent from God for all eternity.
• The Unforgiveable Sin, Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, Unbelief in Jesus Christ as the only Savior are all the same and the results will be Spiritual Death.
• If you don't recieve Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, you do not recieve the Holy Spirit that he promised....that is called "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit".

In Christ.

According to Webster's dictionary heresy is...
Main Entry: her·e·sy
Pronunciation: \ˈher-ə-sē, ˈhe-rə-\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural her·e·sies
Etymology: Middle English heresie, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin haeresis, from Late Greek hairesis, from Greek, action of taking, choice, sect, from hairein to take
Date: 13th century
1 a : adherence to a religious opinion contrary to church dogma b : denial of a revealed truth by a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church c : an opinion or doctrine contrary to church dogma
2 a : dissent or deviation from a dominant theory, opinion, or practice b : an opinion, doctrine, or practice contrary to the truth or to generally accepted beliefs or standards


And by this definition I too am a heretic because I oppose many of the religious beliefs and doctrines of today's christian religious institution.:wink:

 

[jiggyfly]

Dear Friend

You tell us that you have not read the Koran etc. Neither have you read the bible....

What i did say, and stand by, is that i do not believe God has a plan to bring gentiles, and jews to salvation,


I suggest you read Romans ch 11 and where the Apostle talks........
Rom 11:25

This forum is entitled 'talkjesus' Lets keep talking about the LOrd.

Lets go on...lets go on...talking about this good old way.
Lets go on...lets go on...talking about the LOrd
I feel so much better.....talking about this good old way
I feel so much better....talking about the Lord.

Forgive my ancient language......But on a serious note.....Tell me more about Jesus....Eternal life....indeed.......Life forever can only be found in Jesus. 1 Peter 1:23.........'Incorruptibel seed'.......How wonderful is that?

Amen Stephen I totally agree there is a very profound reason this site is called TalkJesus. If anyone is unable to talk Jesus then maybe they should just read and learn.

I haven't seen any muslim with good behavior come here to TalkJesus and be mistreated by others here, so i'm not sure where Johnny is coming from or what he is representing.

 

[johnny botwrigh]

i do not believe that God has not got

what i was saying and do stand by, is i do not believe, God has a plan for the gentiles and the jews, and not for the arab nations,
to bring many captives under the heavy yoke of Islam, to freedom and salvation, through the Lord Jesus,
Who is central to jew christain and arab, and any one eles
Islam will fall.

many christians believe Islam is the red horse, revelations 6 verse 3
the second seal,
and the fall of Islam, will come through conflict.
If God swallowed up the army of Eygpt in the red sea, in a single day, to demostrate his power,
Eygpt and allies again turned around and defeated in the six day war.

God has a use for Islam first, to bring war to the earth, like wise china, who is now arming the the arab nations

 

[RJ]

According to Webster's dictionary heresy is...
Main Entry: her·e·sy
Pronunciation: \ˈher-ə-sē, ˈhe-rə-\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural her·e·sies
Etymology: Middle English heresie, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin haeresis, from Late Greek hairesis, from Greek, action of taking, choice, sect, from hairein to take
Date: 13th century
1 a : adherence to a religious opinion contrary to church dogma b : denial of a revealed truth by a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church c : an opinion or doctrine contrary to church dogma
2 a : dissent or deviation from a dominant theory, opinion, or practice b : an opinion, doctrine, or practice contrary to the truth or to generally accepted beliefs or standards


And by this definition I too am a heretic because I oppose many of the religious beliefs and doctrines of today's christian religious institution.:wink:

I believe you are right.. but where did I go wrong by saying any doctrine that goes against the word of God is Heresy?

It is the opinion, theory, theology of man against the written word of the Torah and the Bible that is Heresy.

Many institutions and their doctrines, including individuals, oppose some of God's word which is both the Torah, which is the first five books in our Bible and the rest of the Old and New Testament.

If you believe in the doctrines of God's word, then you are no Heretic.
The others that appose any of God's word, with their own doctrine are Heretics, some that come into TJ from time to time.

If their Heresy is a different doctrine than salvation through Jesus Christ, then they could very well end up not being saved and suffer spirit death.

2 Peter 2:1 (English Standard Version)


2 Peter 2

False Prophets and Teachers

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will<SUP class=xref value='(C)'>]</SUP> secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master<SUP class=xref value='(D)'>[</SUP>who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

 

[johnny botwrigh]

a vision

my mother who runs a childrens home in kisumu kenya, covenant home, for street children and orphans.

she met a man, who had come all the way from America to warn people, so troubled by a dream/ vision he had had,
in the vision he saw, the streets of kenya running with blood,
what he had been shown,
not long after came to pass, weare tolled to test the spirit also.

if some one shares some thing they feel is from the Lord.
the hall mark, is it comes to pass.

With your final coments that i feel are unfounded, all i can say is,
may the Lord judge between us.
johnny

 

[jiggyfly]

I believe you are right.. but where did I go wrong by saying any doctrine that goes against the word of God is Heresy?

It is the opinion, theory, theology of man against the written word of the Torah and the Bible that is Heresy.

Many institutions and their doctrines, including individuals, oppose some of God's word which is both the Torah, which is the first five books in our Bible and the rest of the Old and New Testament.

If you believe in the doctrines of God's word, then you are no Heretic.
The others that appose any of God's word, with their own doctrine are Heretics, some that come into TJ from time to time.

If their Heresy is a different doctrine than salvation through Jesus Christ, then they could very well end up not being saved and suffer spirit death.

2 Peter 2:1 (English Standard Version)


2 Peter 2

False Prophets and Teachers

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will<SUP class=xref value='(C)'>]</SUP> secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master<SUP class=xref value='(D)'>[</SUP>who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

You didn't go wrong I was just expanding or elaborating on what you said.