Understanding the spirit behind a post.

[gdemoss]

Greetings my beloved,

When we are face to face, it is not very difficult to discern what spirit is upon the person we are talking to. If they are being influenced by the Holy Spirit then they will be full of the fruit of the spirit in their speech and we can see their countenance. But this only happens if we understand the nature of the spirits who come upon us. The spirits are all around us all the time. They are basically asking us for permission to guide all of our actions we do (they want to be our God). We either accept or reject them based upon our desire. If our desire is evil then we will choose evil spirits. If our desire is godly then we will invite godly spirits in. The mistake that the man makes is to not have the understanding that when given enough rope, the spirit who was welcomed in, binds the man. This is called possession by a spirit. Our desire and goal is to be completely possessed by the Holy Spirit of God, with him on the throne of our hearts.

If an evil spirit is upon you and someone says something to you that is truly innocent of offense, the spirit will move you to believe that offense was intended using your own wicked imagination against you. The spirits purpose is sole domination of the human but he is not against going to get help (Seven others more wicked than he).

We are not Christ. We are more like John the Baptist. While Christ only needed to grow in wisdom and maturity, John had to wax strong in spirit. Our spirits become one with the spirits that overcome us. When we are full of the Holy Spirit and realizing the 9 fruits thereof then we are one with the Spirit of God. This is why we are commanded to be filled with the Spirit.

With all this in mind, I pray that God will give each of us the ability to discern the spirit that speaks to us here in the forum through others and vice versa.

Remember to account for both sides.

First, try to discern the spirit of the original poster when he posted. Is the post truly critical in a way that is downgrading and working to destroy you? Or is the critique something from God through his HS to guide and build you.

Second, check your own spirit to see if you are being influenced by one of jealousy, envy, wrath, strife, etc. If none are found but the Holy Spirit and the fruit of your lips is good for food, then you are ready to respond.

We need to learn how to respond, if at all, to everyone dependent upon what spirit controls/influences them. Don't forget Jesus and Peter. Jesus spoke to Satan, not Peter when he said, get thee behind me Satan and Jesus knew it. It is perfectly OK to let your brother know if you detect an evil spirit about him. The word of God is quick and powerful, sharper than any two edged sword....it has a purpose, let us learn to wield the sword with precision.


Love all, but specifically those who are of the household of faith,

Gary

 

[jari]

We are not Christ. We are more like John the Baptist. While Christ only needed to grow in wisdom and maturity, John had to wax strong in spirit

I dont agree at all. God has given us His Holy spirit and we certainly arent like john who had not the spirit. How Jesus was ? Born of the spirit and so should we be born of the spirit. But of course filled too.

Jesus spoke to Satan, not Peter when he said, get thee behind me Satan and Jesus knew it. It is perfectly OK to let your brother know if you detect an evil spirit about him.

I don't think its good that christians go around calling others satan. What Jesus did was for peter who was mere disciple. For we would not even do same mistake peter did because Peter was not born again.

Here's something to study why I think the way I do:

Luk 6:41-42 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? (42) Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

1Co 2:15-16 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. (16) For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Christians have Mind of christ because they have God's holy spirt.

God bless

 

[faithfulservant]

I believe it's necessary to recognize our own flesh is also to blame at times, it's not always a foul spirit influencing us.

 

[gdemoss]

I dont agree at all. God has given us His Holy spirit and we certainly arent like john who had not the spirit. How Jesus was ? Born of the spirit and so should we be born of the spirit. But of course filled too.

Ye do greatly Err.

"john who had not the spirit"

Luke 1:15

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Are you going to continue to believe a lie?

I don't think its good that christians go around calling others satan. What Jesus did was for peter who was mere disciple. For we would not even do same mistake peter did because Peter was not born again.

I agree. Christians should call Satan Satan when he is manifesting himself through another person. The person himself is just the vessel carrying the message of Satan into the world.

Here's something to study why I think the way I do:

Luk 6:41-42 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? (42) Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

1Co 2:15-16 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. (16) For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Christians have Mind of christ because they have God's holy spirt.

Amen. But only if it is the Holy Spirit that is being received and not the Spirit of Antichrist which dwells in the children of disobedience.

Judge ye what I say. Examine yourself and see whether ye be in the faith, know ye not that Jesus Christ is in you except you fail the test?

What test? Is the love of God being shed abroad in your hearts by the Holy Spirit. Is your life marked by Love, Joy, Peace, Gentleness, Goodness, Meekness, Patience and the rest of the fruit of the Spirit? What spirit is about you when you write? Seek to be filled with the Spirit and then respond.

In the Love of Jesus Christ Our Lord who gave himself for us that we might live unto him. Gods unspeakable Gift.

Gary

God bless[/QUOTE]

 

[jari]

Ye do greatly Err.

"john who had not the spirit"

Luke 1:15

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Are you going to continue to believe a lie?

John was old coveant prophet who isnt like new coveant christians. Sure Holy spirit was with him , and him being filled with Holy spirit he spoke words of God.
But he isnt example christian, we are to be followers of Jesus and Christ like. Not john the babtist like. Even he may have been worth of much example still his behavior is very old coveant like.
and of course this is what God wanted him to be. But was Paul like that ? Or peter? or any of the apostoles? the answer is no.

everything i read from Bible about new coveant God made with man point to following Jesus ... not john babtist or anybody else.

I agree. Christians should call Satan Satan when he is manifesting himself through another person. The person himself is just the vessel carrying the message of Satan into the world.

I cant agree with you on this.

Judge ye what I say. Examine yourself and see whether ye be in the faith, know ye not that Jesus Christ is in you except you fail the test?

What test? Is the love of God being shed abroad in your hearts by the Holy Spirit. Is your life marked by Love, Joy, Peace, Gentleness, Goodness, Meekness, Patience and the rest of the fruit of the Spirit? What spirit is about you when you write? Seek to be filled with the Spirit and then respond.

bible doesnt say thats the test your just making thing up from your own imagination.


God bless you

 

[gdemoss]

John was old coveant prophet who isnt like new coveant christians. Sure Holy spirit was with him , and him being filled with Holy spirit he spoke words of God.
But he isnt example christian, we are to be followers of Jesus and Christ like. Not john the babtist like. Even he may have been worth of much example still his behavior is very old coveant like.
and of course this is what God wanted him to be. But was Paul like that ? Or peter? or any of the apostoles? the answer is no.

everything i read from Bible about new coveant God made with man point to following Jesus ... not john babtist or anybody else.

I never said follow John. I sad we are more like John than Jesus there is a difference. We are to follow Jesus, just as John was to follow Jesus.

I cant agree with you on this.

OK

bible doesnt say thats the test your just making thing up from your own imagination.

Your accusing me again of being a false teacher. Where is your fruit teacher?

 

[jari]

I never said follow John. I sad we are more like John than Jesus there is a difference. We are to follow Jesus, just as John was to follow Jesus.

Yes i know that. and i mean we dont need to look at john at all.

Your accusing me again of being a false teacher. Where is your fruit teacher?

my fruit?

 

[faithfulservant]

GDEmoss, I would like to warn you in love. You are coming across quite arrogantly in your posts. You make accusations at others, and challenge them as though you can discern hearts. You cannot. Discerning spirits and discerning hearts are two different things.

In fact, understanding that even for born again believers that pride comes before the fall, I would say you are leading yourself into foul ground where you will eventually reap what you are sowing. Turn from such pride and humble yourself. You are no better than anyone here, and God is no respecter of persons.

We should assume others better than ourselves, and if we find someone to be in error we should reprove them in a spirit of love, not arrogance.

 

[gdemoss]

GDEmoss, I would like to warn you in love. You are coming across quite arrogantly in your posts. You make accusations at others, and challenge them as though you can discern hearts. You cannot. Discerning spirits and discerning hearts are two different things.

In fact, understanding that even for born again believers that pride comes before the fall, I would say you are leading yourself into foul ground where you will eventually reap what you are sowing. Turn from such pride and humble yourself. You are no better than anyone here, and God is no respecter of persons.

We should assume others better than ourselves, and if we find someone to be in error we should reprove them in a spirit of love, not arrogance.

Thank you so much for coming to me and worrying that I may be lifted up in pride. I understand why you would see it that way. The truth is that I am in complete submission unto God through his Holy Spirit and only posting that which I understand to be right and true. I am not using my intellect to try and understand God, but submitting to him as he knows everything. I am not a God. My words mean nothing. I must decrease he must increase, yet I must come in the spirit of Elijah to turn the hearts of men toward him. I come with the baptism of repentance. Jesus brings the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Make your paths straight! The king is coming!

I must decrease.

He must increase.

Those who follow Christ through me will be lead to invite him into themselves as I have already done. They will then not need me anymore but will follow him within themselves.

I must decrease.

He must increase.

I must shout! Make your paths straight. The kingdom of heaven is at Hand!!!!!

God bless you in a spiritual understanding GBA, May the love of God blossom in your heart. Bless you for coming and confronting me with what you perceive to be sin.

Gary

 

[HisFollower]

Beloved, believe not every [idea or concept], but [test] the [ideas and concepts] whether they are of God; because many false [ideas and concepts] are gone out into the world.

 

[rizen1]

Ah yes, it seem the lesson that was meant to be heard have been thrown out, disfigured and now we are left with discourse.

I pray that everyone would step back, decrease and re-read the original post to understand what the original poster is trying to say.

With all this in mind, I pray that God will give each of us the ability to discern the spirit that speaks to us here in the forum through others and vice versa.

Remember to account for both sides.

First, try to discern the spirit of the original poster when he posted. Is the post truly critical in a way that is downgrading and working to destroy you? Or is the critique something from God through his HS to guide and build you.

Second, check your own spirit to see if you are being influenced by one of jealousy, envy, wrath, strife, etc. If none are found but the Holy Spirit and the fruit of your lips is good for food, then you are ready to respond.

We need to learn how to respond, if at all, to everyone dependent upon what spirit controls/influences them. Don't forget Jesus and Peter. Jesus spoke to Satan, not Peter when he said, get thee behind me Satan and Jesus knew it. It is perfectly OK to let your brother know if you detect an evil spirit about him. The word of God is quick and powerful, sharper than any two edged sword....it has a purpose, let us learn to wield the sword with precision.

With scripture can someone find error in the above quote ?

GDEmoss, I would like to warn you in love. You are coming across quite arrogantly in your posts. You make accusations at others, and challenge them as though you can discern hearts. You cannot. Discerning spirits and discerning hearts are two different things.

In fact, understanding that even for born again believers that pride comes before the fall, I would say you are leading yourself into foul ground where you will eventually reap what you are sowing. Turn from such pride and humble yourself. You are no better than anyone here, and God is no respecter of persons.

We should assume others better than ourselves, and if we find someone to be in error we should reprove them in a spirit of love, not arrogance.

There were no false accusations in the original post towards any member. It is not hard to discern the spirit behind a post, no matter how holy their post appear. You can judge by their fruits, the way they treat others in the conversation. It is not hard to identify an emotionally driven post and one led by the spirit. The one led by the spirit remains focus on what the bible says and is not easily offended or angered. The one led by the spirit have nothing to prove because he/she knows it's not by their power. The one led by the spirit is apologetic and sensitive to others feelings. The one led by the spirit is not focus on being liked but speaking the truth. The one led by the spirit prayers before he writes/speaks. The one led by the spirit embraces wisdom, accepts corrections and open rebuke.

Whether we choose to agree with the original poster or not, our goal on TalkJesus for 2012 should be to respect each other, have fruitful conversations, pray before posting ( forum rule ) and let everything we do point others to Jesus and not ourselves.

Matthew 7:15-20
New King James Version (NKJV)
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits


15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.


You ( if you are walking in the spirit, reading your bible and have a relationship with the heavenly Father ) can discern the hearts/spirits of others.

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. ( Galations 5:20-23)

Self control is the hardest one for many. My years on TalkJesus have taught me a few things

1. Do not get emotionally involved in a conversation
2. If someone disagrees with you, it's not you they are disagreeing with but the message coming out of you, so no need to get offensive or defensive. Just pick up the bible, study the topic over and ask God to reveal HIS TRUTH...not yours. ( you could be wrong on your understanding and should accept the correction ) If you are correct and you realize the other person do not care or can not accept the truth, stop debating them, end the conversation and keep them in prayer. When the truth is laid out there's nothing more to be added. End the conversation, end the debate " God bless you "
3. It's not about you
4. Take breaks from threads, never respond by emotion. Don't respond in defense, take a day break and let God's holy spirit fill you with the right words.
5. It's not about you
6. Never team up against another member because they're debating your friend. Stay out of the conversation
7. Pray before posting
8. Read the whole post, do not pick a line and start a debate or challenge the original poster
9. It's not about you
10. Be open for correction, being a christian is a process. Sometimes our understanding of the bible is based on culture, environment, emotions and experiences. I've grown as a christians I don't think the same.

People who are not led by the spirit do not know how to respond to others

A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger. Proverbs 15:1

 

[faithfulservant]

Beloved, believe not every [idea or concept], but [test] the [ideas and concepts] whether they are of God; because many false [ideas and concepts] are gone out into the world.

That is not an accurate rendering of the original word. If it was indeed that definition, it's not the idea or concept, but the "power" by which those ideas or concepts are conceived:

Here is Strong's Concordance definitions of the word spirit:

1) the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son
a) sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his personality and character (the "Holy" Spirit)
b) sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work and power (the Spirit of "Truth")
c) never referred to as a depersonalised force
2) the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
a) the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides
b) the soul
3) a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting
a) a life giving spirit
b) a human soul that has left the body
c) a spirit higher than man but lower than God, i.e. an angel
1) used of demons, or evil spirits, who were conceived as inhabiting the bodies of men
2) the spiritual nature of Christ, higher than the highest angels and equal to God, the divine nature of Christ
4) the disposition or influence which fills and governs the soul of any one
a) the efficient source of any power, affection, emotion, desire, etc.
5) a movement of air (a gentle blast)
a) of the wind, hence the wind itself
b) breath of nostrils or mouth

 

[faithfulservant]

Greetings my beloved,

When we are face to face, it is not very difficult to discern what spirit is upon the person we are talking to. If they are being influenced by the Holy Spirit then they will be full of the fruit of the spirit in their speech and we can see their countenance.

Just to clarify, my post was in relation to how I've seen gdemoss posting on the forum and in chat last night. But I understand you (Rizen1) don't recognize any issue with what he's posted and I could be entirely wrong.

For the sake of God's truth, and the topic at hand, I would like to point out that observable features of ones "countenance" is not proof of the fruits of the Spirit of God. Why? Because even Satan comes as an angel of light (2 Cor 11:14). I've seen the sweetest, joyful, loving, patient, peaceful universalists walking in wanton sexual immorality, and they are most certainly not walking in the Spirit of God (1 Tim 4:1).

Additionally, tacking on a phrase which speaks of love in an internet post is very different than that love actually manifesting within that person's heart. Talk is cheap in the Kingdom of God. It's what we actually do that makes us seperate from the world and stand out as salt and light in the darkness (Jam 2:17).

Finally, I think most people would agree that speaking to others in anglicised language is just plain pompous and condescending. If moderators don't recognize that kind of behavior as insincere, maybe even provocative, at the very least immature spiritually, perhaps they should pray more on how to discern what kind of fruits people are truly sharing here?

 

[jari]

I understand that some one can send messages in spirit or not. But just because some one gets upset doesnt mean you werent spirit led.

They just might not be able to deal with the truth no matter how nice words you use.

 

[gdemoss]

Just to clarify, my post was in relation to how I've seen gdemoss posting on the forum and in chat last night. But I understand you (Rizen1) don't recognize any issue with what he's posted and I could be entirely wrong.

GBA, I understand your concern. Of course you must test all spirits. Amen.

For the sake of God's truth, and the topic at hand, I would like to point out that observable features of ones "countenance" is not proof of the fruits of the Spirit of God. Why? Because even Satan comes as an angel of light (2 Cor 11:14). I've seen the sweetest, joyful, loving, patient, peaceful universalists walking in wanton sexual immorality, and they are most certainly not walking in the Spirit of God (1 Tim 4:1).

You are exactly right, the countenance of a person can be fraudulently made to appear different from what is inside the person. Good call. Your task is to figure out if that which is inside of me is the same as that which is outside. Pure or evil motive.

Excellent observations.

Additionally, tacking on a phrase which speaks of love in an internet post is very different than that love actually manifesting within that person's heart. Talk is cheap in the Kingdom of God. It's what we actually do that makes us seperate from the world and stand out as salt and light in the darkness (Jam 2:17).

More true wisdom. If I merely were to use words to deceive others into liking me so that I could somehow benefit and have power over them, then I would be being a wicked man. Your job is to truly seek to understand what I am.

Finally, I think most people would agree that speaking to others in anglicised language is just plain pompous and condescending. If moderators don't recognize that kind of behavior as insincere, maybe even provocative, at the very least immature spiritually, perhaps they should pray more on how to discern what kind of fruits people are truly sharing here?

Please help me understand as I am not very well educated and you are speaking over my head. I need you to condescend unto me. I don't understand the accusation so I cannot understand if I am truly in error.

Please remember, there are sins of ignorance. If we see these, we should be kind and gentle when trying to help our brother see.

May the Lord grant understanding to all for his glory,

Gary

 

[faithfulservant]

Ye do greatly Err.

[/QUOTE]

This is anglicized language. Maybe you really don't notice, but it comes across as kinda arrogant and condescending, in my opinion. Additionally, your signature shows you have high regard for whatever you write on these forums. That's not humility. Again, that's kinda arrogant. We should do nothing but point people to Jesus, and His Word. He has the words of life, not us.

So these are the kinds of things that have led me to discern a spirit of pride in the way you express yourself. Perhaps you are indeed ignorant, or perhaps I'm wrongly judging you. Rizen1 doesn't seem to notice these things. So I will just give it to God to handle, and will humbly walk away.

Blessings to you gdemoss, in the name of our Lord Jesus.

 

[gdemoss]

This is anglicized language. Maybe you really don't notice, but it comes across as kinda arrogant and condescending, in my opinion. Additionally, your signature shows you have high regard for whatever you write on these forums. That's not humility. Again, that's kinda arrogant. We should do nothing but point people to Jesus, and His Word. He has the words of life, not us.

So these are the kinds of things that have led me to discern a spirit of pride in the way you express yourself. Perhaps you are indeed ignorant, or perhaps I'm wrongly judging you. Rizen1 doesn't seem to notice these things. So I will just give it to God to handle, and will humbly walk away.

Blessings to you gdemoss, in the name of our Lord Jesus.

Thank you for fulfilling my request. I am honored. I said 'you do greatly err' as I was thinking of Jesus when he spoke in the same manner. Not trying to be condescending but only wishing to point out the error of the train of thought.

I see what you mean about my signature. My intent was to show that I have been given wisdom, understanding and knowledge freely by God and that the words given me are freely to be distributed unto anyone else. The bible teaches me to abstain from the appearance of evil so I will change it.

I am trying so desperately not to rely on my own intellect for anything but solely on the revelation of truth as it is given by the Holy Spirit thought the word of God. I'm not sure whether I am still just being fed milk or if I am actually receiving meat or both.

I appreciate all that you are trying to do. Washing each others feet is important.

Only by the grace of God am I anything in Christ,

Gary

 

[faithfulservant]

I see, you're copying what Jesus said from the King James text. My apologies.

 

[gdemoss]

I see, you're copying what Jesus said from the King James text. My apologies.

Forgiven. As Christ has forgiven me.

In Jesus Name,

Gary

 

[rizen1]

Finally, I think most people would agree that speaking to others in anglicised language is just plain pompous and condescending. If moderators don't recognize that kind of behavior as insincere, maybe even provocative, at the very least immature spiritually, perhaps they should pray more on how to discern what kind of fruits people are truly sharing here?

What and awesome God we serve. It was not my intent to offend you. I believe we must treat each other without bias, without holding negative things against each other. Nothing should be taken personal, for it's never about us. The rule pray before posting applies to everyone.

Self control is the hardest one for many. My years on TalkJesus have taught me a few things

1. Do not get emotionally involved in a conversation
2. If someone disagrees with you, it's not you they are disagreeing with but the message coming out of you, so no need to get offensive or defensive. Just pick up the bible, study the topic over and ask God to reveal HIS TRUTH...not yours. ( you could be wrong on your understanding and should accept the correction ) If you are correct and you realize the other person do not care or can not accept the truth, stop debating them, end the conversation and keep them in prayer. When the truth is laid out there's nothing more to be added. End the conversation, end the debate " God bless you "
3. It's not about you
4. Take breaks from threads, never respond by emotion. Don't respond in defense, take a day break and let God's holy spirit fill you with the right words.
5. It's not about you
6. Never team up against another member because they're debating your friend. Stay out of the conversation
7. Pray before posting
8. Read the whole post, do not pick a line and start a debate or challenge the original poster
9. It's not about you
10. Be open for correction, being a christian is a process. Sometimes our understanding of the bible is based on culture, environment, emotions and experiences. I've grown as a christians I don't think the same.