We are seeing prophecy fulfilled before our very eyes

[Travis]

Israel approves use of sniper fire against Palestinian rock-throwers – reports
Published time: 18 Sep, 2015 04:57

“This is an extremely dangerous escalation on the part of the Israelis. What they are basically saying is that every Palestinian youth stone-thrower, which seem to be the youth under the age of 15 and 16, is an enemy combatant,” Palestinian-American journalist Ramzy Baroud told RT.

Also reportedly approved by the Attorney General was the proposal to arrest rock-throwing minors and increase the minimum sentence to 4-5 years in prison – and to at least 10 years for those caught throwing firebombs. The families of those caught clashing with the Israeli police or assaulting Israeli civilians would also face a fine up to 100,000 shekels (US $26,000).

Netanyahu earlier vowed to push through a change in the rules of engagement with the Palestinian youth.

“We decided to change policy and wage war on stone throwers, bottle throwers, firecrackers shooters and those who disrupt the peace – quite simply a change,” Netanyahu said Thursday, as cited by the Times of Israel.

Despite the fact that live rounds have been widely used by the IDF in the West Bank, Israeli security forces in Jerusalem, until now were not permitted to use live ammunition and have used non-lethal measures, such as rubber-coated bullets, stun grenades and tear gas to control the protests.

The changes in the rules of engagement, as PM stated after the emergency meeting with leading defense figures, will be applied on both sides of the Green Line, the boundary between Israel and the West Bank. “A Molotov cocktail or rock – these kill within the Green Line and over the Green Line,”Netanyahu told reporters.

“This is an extreme measure taken by Israel essentially in line with its violent occupation of the Palestinians in violations of their human rights,” James Petras from Binghamton University told RT.

The Israeli decision came after violent clashes saw a resurgence in the city’s al-Aqsa Mosque compound during the past week, as Palestinian youths engaged Jewish visitors to the Temple Mount ahead of the Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah. On Sunday, an elderly Israeli died as a result of a stone-throwing incident.

The new police playbook has been criticized by Israeli politicians and observers alike. Aida Touma-Sliman, an Israeli MP for the Joint Arab List, accused the ruling coalition of “people hunting,” saying that “Netanyahu is apparently looking for a judicial license to kill and to murder.”

“I don't think that there is any country in the world that would actually consider or sanction sniper fire against kids throwing rocks,” Baroud told RT.

Meanwhile, violence on Temple Mount continued Thursday, prompting Israeli police to deploy extra forces for Friday prayers in the compound’s mosque. Several rock and firebomb attacks were reported in parts of Jerusalem Thursday evening, according to local media reports.

To address the growing international concern over the continued violence, Netanyahu spoke with UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on the phone to tell him that he is adamant to preserve the status quo.

The Temple Mount, one of the most important religious sites in the Old City of Jerusalem, was seized by Israel from Jordan in the 1967 war. The Temple Mount has a special status under Jordanian custodianship while Israel controls security.

Israel approves use of sniper fire against Palestinian rock-throwers – reports — RT News

 

[Baobab]

The Modern Israel government has tried to make life as hard as possible for the Palestinians. They have virtually no voice in the MSM.
We are told the primary issue is religious. We are told the Palestinian Arabs hate the Jews just because they are Jews. We are told Palestinians do not have a legitimate gripe with the Israeli government.
None of this is the case.
The primary reason the Palestinians are upset with the Israeli government is that they are being pressured from all sides more and more whether or not they retaliate.
2005 all Israeli Jews living in Gaza were removed. The was portrayed in the MSM as a gesture of peace from Israel to let the non Jews in Gaza have a place to call their own.
In actuality the Gaza Strip became the world's largest open air prison. Gaza is controlled by the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) via air land and sea. Gaza is an occupied territory and the ~1.8 million residents are under IDF military law. They cannot vote. They are not Israeli citizens. They cannot leave and if the do they cannot return. They are removed from the Israeli legal system. They are not allowed self determination. The Israeli government determines how much food and aid can legitimately enter Gaza. It is only enough to barely sustain life. There are a lot of angry Palestinians.

Tens of thousands of Palestinians suffered inhumane conditions in refugee camps for twenty years before they produced their first suicide bomber.
We are told that if the Palestinians would just behave and be civil then things would go well for them. This is not the case.
While the Oslo Accord was being implemented (remember Arafat, Rabin and Clinton shaking hands on the White House lawn) 700 Palestinian homes were demolished with bulldozers. The demolitions took place in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. The MSM forgot to mention that during the Oslo Accord coverage.
The ~2.5 million Palestinians residing in West Bank are also under IDF military occupation and are not Israeli citizens, cannot vote, cannot access the state legal system. They cannot leave and if they do they cannot return. There are rare exceptions. The Palestinians in East Jerusalem share the same fate.
General Mattityahu "Matti" Peled took part in the 6 day war in 1967. He told the Israeli law makers that if the newly gained lands become occupied territories then it would eat the heart and soul of Israel and make her morally bankrupt. He also said that the occupied people would rebel as people naturally rebel when subject to military occupation. He was correct.

There are ~1.5 million Palestinians who live in Israel proper and are Israeli citizens, can vote and have access to the Israeli legal system. They are not under IDF occupation. They rarely get permission to leave abroad and when they do they are likely not allowed to return. There are over two dozen laws that discriminate between Israeli Jewish citizens and non Jewish Israeli citizens. Palestinian Israelis cannot drive on the Jews only highways. They are rarely allowed to visit relatives in the occupied territories.

Since 1948 the Modern Israeli government has virtual monopoly on MSM information coming out of the Holy Land. During these 67 years the Palestinians have been demonized like no other people in the MSM.
Both sides err and both sides tell some truth. We need to understand what is taking place on the ground, who is involved, why these things are happening and who benefits.

It is OK to love Modern Israel. All nations are in need of our Savior. Friends don't let friends drive drunk. If we are a friend to Modern Israel then we will pray for her and not condone the things that are harmful to her. Netanyahu is politically drunk with power and leading Modern Israel toward her own destruction. His policies are inciting the Palestinians. What little hope they have is being squeezed out of them. desperate people do desperate things.
Pray for all who dwell in the Holy Land

Blessings

 

[amadeus2]

What have the Arab brothers of those "Palestinian Arabs" done to relieve the situation? They have the means it would seem and supposedly better reasons to help the "outcasts" become citizens of their own neighboring countries and to see to it that life for those individuals in such distress are improved.

Israel is the tiny country surrounded by enemies whose desire it seems is to do away with a nation which they officially refuse to acknowledge its very right to exist as a nation. Israel has shown more restraint in dealing with such irrational hatred than have their enemies. Israel has given up much in hope of having peace on earth, but their enemies only seem to be able to consider peace a possibility if there were no Israel. Now as the United States, almost the only nation that supported Israel over the years, backs away, Israel stands alone uncertain of the help of anyone. What should anyone expect from them? "Why don't you lay down and die! Perhaps this situation will lead eventually to their looking to God for help.

May God help anyone who stands against Israel when He openly stands for them.

 

[Baobab]

Amadeus2,
Thank you for responding to my post.

You wrote:
"Israel has shown more restraint in dealing with such irrational hatred than have their enemies."

There are over 4 million people with no citizenship whatsoever living in the Holy Land under military occupation with no access to state justice system. They are denied self determination and cannot leave and if they do they cannot return.
Gaza is an open air prison with IDF control over air, land and sea. Their hope is destroyed. All people who are subject to military occupation eventually rebel. This is not irrational.

The MSM is the irrational one for they have an agenda and truth is not in it.
It does not help Modern Israel to shelter her form constructive criticism. The Israeli government is incapable of self criticism and this gives Jews in the Holy Land and in Diaspora a bad name. Jews all over the globe are blamed for Modern Zionist atrocities. The atrocities are never mentioned in the official narrative. Nakba, Plan Dalet, Deir Yassin and many others are never allowed to be brought to the table by the Palestinian Arabs (not "Palestinian Arabs") during the fake PR Peace Negotiations. Until the Knesset faces up to the truth of what really happened Modern Israel will always portray herself as the innocent victim surrounded by irrational wolves. This miscarriage of truth helps no one and especially not the Jews. Jesus told the woman at the well, "Salvation is from the Jews". Jesus also told the truth to the Pharisees and Sadducees. He didn't mince words and he was definitely not an anti-Semite.

The official narrative of Modern Israel's history is simply not true. Things that are not true do not build the Kingdom of God. If we love Modern Israel we will not be afraid to offer constructive criticism.
If we had a child and protected him from all criticism at home, at school and everywhere else we would create a monster. Herzl style Modern Zionism (not Biblical Zionism) has grown to be a monster and is the biggest threat to the Jews since WWII.
I do not stand against Modern Israel but I love her enough to call foul when her leaders enact harmful policies and engage in harmful practices.

In the last two decades classified material concerning the events leading up to, during, and after 1948 have been declassified by Modern Israel, Brittan and the U.S.
A few brave souls have made the information public at great personal cost.
These individuals are called self hating Jews or Jew haters in the Zionist Press such as the camera website and the B'nai B'rith and others.

Ilan Pappe was born in Haifa Modern Israel and was a tenured professor at Haifa University. He studied the documents and found them to be 180 degrees from the official narrative.
He had to leave Modern Israel under death threats.

Miko Peled grew up in Jerusalem. His grandfather Dr. Avraham Katsnelson signed Modern Israel's declaration of statehood. His father General Mattityahu "Matti" Peled was a Lieutenant in 1948 and a General in 1967. Miko's niece was murdered by a Palestinian suicide bomber in Jerusalem. She was 15 years old. This plunged Miko into a search for the truth and he found it. He was shocked to say the least. Everything he was taught concerning the official narrative was fabricated.

Alan Hart is a British world class journalist who spent several decades covering the Middle East. He was a personal friend to Prime Minister Golda Meir. He wrote a book on the history with impeccable documentation. No publisher would touch it so he sold his house and published it himself. because of this he is a pariah among his peers and has suffered great personal loss.

These three are a good place to start a search for what really happened. They speak the truth and the truth is needful in these days of smoke and mirrors and ungodly agendas.
We have been bombarded with disinformation. The truth is available for those who want to know.

Blessings

 

[B-A-C]

Do a google search on "Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel". Check out the CNN, FoxNews, or the Wikipedia articles on this.
They have attacked Israel over 1,000 times in the last 10 years.
How many times has Hamas attacked Israel? With rockets?
How many bombing and suicide attacks have been launched against Israel? ( A google search on "Palestinian suicide attacks"
gives quite a list ).
The PLO refused Israel's right to exist from 1964 until 1993. The PLO has adopted Islam as the sole religion.
The Fatah exists only as militant groups within the PLO.
The vast majority of these people are Muslim/Arabs. The vast majority of Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan
Kuwait, Libya and others are also Muslim/Arabs. With all that land available to them. Why is it so important to occupy Israel?

Also given that this land was promised several times to Abram, and his descendant "forever". Why should the Israeli's leave?
Where would they go?

 

[Baobab]

B-A-C
Thank you for responding to this very controversial subject.
CNN, Foxnews and the rest of the MSM cannot be trusted to be objective. They will mention the rockets fired from Gaza but will not mention IDF provocations. Even when the rockets are not being fired the house demolitions in West Bank and other severe restrictions continue. The MSM does not tell the whole story. Wikipedia cannot be trusted to present a fair objective presentation of controversial subjects. Wiki is great for non controversial subjects such as the natural sciences. For other subjects editing wars are the norm. The Gaza fishermen cannot bring their boats past a few miles. Not far enough to get the big fish. Even when they comply the IDF harasses the fishermen and often confiscate their boats even when they are in compliance. You won't find this information in the MSM, at least not yet.

The Palestinian/Israeli conflict is presented as two equals in opposition. This is not the case. The Palestinians have no Navy, Air Force or Standing Army. A people under military occupation will rebel.
Here is information on the rockets and casualties:
How many people have died from Gaza rockets into Israel? – Mondoweiss

Here is a good rundown showing facts on the ground:
If Americans Knew - What every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine

The information provided by the MSM is very one sided. The Palestinians have legitimate complaints. They were driven out of the best most fertile places in the Holy Land where they had dwelled for over a thousand years. Some refugees still have keys to their houses but cannot return or even visit them. Over 500 Palestinian villages were demolished and don't even appear on Modern Israel's maps. The Israeli government is trying to erase the collective memory of the Palestinians.

B-A-C asks:
"Why is it so important to occupy Israel?"
This is their home.

The two loudest modern voices declaring the Jews to be a race were Hitler and Theodore Herzl. The founding fathers of Modern Zionism and every Prime Minister of Israel have their roots between and north of the Caspian see and the Black sea. Not one of this group have ever had roots in the Holy Land. There are several distinct races who call themselves Jews. According to Rabbinical Law a person from any race who embraces and follows Torah is a Jew. A person who does no follow Torah no matter their race is not considered a Jew by Rabbinical Law.
In Modern Israel there are:

Ashkenazi Jews which include all of the founding fathers of Modern Zionism and every Prime Minister

Sephardi Jews who were kicked out of Spain

Mizrahi Jews who are descendants of Abraham through Hagar

Ethiopian Jews from Africa who trace their roots to Moses

These are distinct races and not all are biologically related to Abraham. The Ashkenazi cannot rightfully say they have returned to the land of their fore fathers.
The Sephardi, Mizrahi and Ethiopian Jews did not have any major roles (if any) in conquering the Holy Land. It was an Ashkenazi project.
There are Ashkenazi in in Modern Israel who follow Torah and are Jews. These were the Jews portrayed in "Fiddler on the Roof". Keith Green was from this group.
The founding father of Modern Zionism and first Prime Minister of Modern Israel were both atheists.

There was relative peace in the Holy Land for quite some time until the Modern Zionists started to show up in larger and larger numbers. The land without a people for a people without a land was actually home to over 100,000 Arabs at the beginning of the 20th century. Great Britain promised the Holy Land to the Arabs if they would help rid the land of the Ottomans. They did help and were successful but after WWII the Modern Zionists had more potential to make like difficult for London so the Arabs were ignored and the House of Roth$child created Modern Israel. Truth is the Modern Zionists were the aggressors. The Lehi, Haganah and Irgun groups were actively terrorizing Palestinians even before 1948. It is not anti-Semitic or Israel bashing to say so. This is really what happened. The Deir Yassin massacre put fear in the heart of every Palestinian. They fled by the tens of thousands.

If you stand with Modern Israel then it would be natural to want to know what really happened. This cannot be found in the official narrative. It cannot be found in school textbooks. Any grammar school, high school textbook or junior college textbook in America will not present an objective history. A textbook that tells the truth concerning history, even American History, would never make it past the California or Texas committees.

I encourage you to hear what Miko Peled, Ilan Pappe and Alan Hart have to say. They can tell it better than I.

Blessings

 

[amadeus2]

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I wouldn't be found standing on the side of the modern Israel for its errors any more than I would be found standing on the side of the United States for its errors or the Arabs (any group or groups) for their errors.

My emphasis was on the very last sentence posted.

May God help anyone who stands against Israel when He openly stands for them.

The point is to be on God's side. Is He on Israel's side?

 

[Baobab]

Amadeus asks:
"The point is to be on God's side. Is He on Israel's side?"

Of course to be on God's side is paramount.
I believe God is on the Nation of Israel's side. God did not and will not forget His promises to Abraham both natural and spiritual. The body of Christ will not be complete until the number of Gentiles is fulfilled and the veil is removed from the Jews.
I do not believe God is on the side of Modern Zionism (Herzl style) or that He ordained the state of Modern Israel. I do not believe the secular state of Modern Israel represents Judaism, the Jews or Torah. The nation of Israel in the natural are the Jews in the Holy Land and Diaspora.

I do not argue with those who stand for Modern Israel. All nations need Messiah.
My point is whether we stand for the state of Modern Israel or not the official narrative is not true. If we stand for Modern Israel then we need to know the true history.
If we believe a narrative that is fabricated then we are not in a position to be a blessing to the Jews or the Arabs. Both are fields ripe for harvest in the Great Commission.
Both are in need of Jesus' redeeming blood. No good can come from fabricated histories. Here are some highlights of the official narrative we are all familiar with:

"A land without a people for a people without a land."
This was a recruitment slogan used in Europe to get Jews to come to the Holy Land. Golda Meir did not invent it but she used it in a speech. It is utterly false.

"The Arabs were the aggressors."
This is not true. They did commit aggressive actions but only after they were provoked. Modern Zionists shattered the relative peace between Jews, Arabs and Christians who were getting along fairly well for many years.

"The only democracy in the Middle East."
Modern Israel is a democracy only for Jewish Israeli citizens. Over four million Palestinian Arabs are subject to harsh military occupation and do not have access to Modern Israel's democratic system. The approximately one million Palestinian Arabs who do have Israeli citizenship can vote and have access to the judicial system. They are not on equal status with their fellow Jewish Israeli citizens. They are rarely allowed to visit relatives in the occupied territories and if the leave they are likely not allowed to return. Jewish Israeli citizens can come and go as they please. Any Jew who is not Christian can become an Israeli citizen no matter where on the globe they reside. This is not true for Palestinians living abroad. Members of the body of Christ are not permitted to move to Modern Israel and become citizens. There are over two dozen laws discriminating between Israeli citizens who are Jewish and who are not Jewish. Modern Israel is in fact an apartheid state.

"The Palestinians fled Israel without good cause. The Israelis did not drive them away."
The saying goes that since they chose to flee then Israel is under no obligation to allow them to leave the occupied territories and let them return to their homes in Israel proper.
The Palestinians actually fled for their lives after the Deir Yassin massacre April 9, 1948. They did not know which village would be next. They fled for their lives with good cause.

"The David vs Goliath scenario"
It was never a David vs Goliath scenario. This was fabricated and makes for excellent PR material.

"They made the desert bloom."
This is taken from scripture and also makes for good PR material. Thousands of acres were already abloom in Palestinian orchards and farms. They were driven off of them and forced into refugee camps. Also... A hundred billion U.S. dollars + can make any desert bloom.

These are only a few of the more popular ones.

Stand for Modern Israel but do not believe her official narrative.

 

[amadeus2]

@Baobab. Since all men are liars (me too), we must, I believe, be very cautious about coming out very strong on anything that is not from God. Unfortunately, many men also lie about whether or not things come to them from God. You want to make your point about the modern Israelis falling short, but that has been true of most of the natural children at all times, has it not? Has it not also always been true of all those who have believed in Jesus?

Every person who believes anything in error and speaks and acts on that error is a liar. The only way to get straight is to be led by God. Study is good and I do it a lot, but the answers do not lie so much in study as in obedience and in the quickening Spirit. How does one know what to obey and what not to obey? People will say the Bible has the answers and I agree, but without the Holy Spirit, the Bible is a dead letter to those who read it. When we go to the writings of men in news reports and in written histories, how much sifting is required to get at the truth of matters? Who can we trust? God!

To be on God's side is not something that happens once and then remains the case, is it?

By the way I am not against you on this. I simply desire that as much as possible, the whole picture be seen for anyone interested in looking. Too many people who bear the designation, Christian, are not only very far from being like Christ, but also in really having a desire to be like Christ. The Christians are similar to the so-called modern Israelis. When are completely like Jesus (I John 3:2) then will we not see him as he is? Until then will not our ungodly biases and ways lead us in wrong directions?

 

[Baobab]

Amadeus
I totally agree with your post.
It is not wise for me or anyone else to talk loosely on any subject and especially one as sensitive as this one.
Holy Scripture expressly warns about calling good evil and evil good. It is grave error to give credit to the enemy for a work of the Holy Spirit and visa versa.
This is always in my conscience when I post on these things.

All states fall grievously short of the glory of God. Praise Him that this is only our temporary home!
My motive is not to convince people Modern Israel is naughty. All governments are naughty to various degrees. This is a given.
My motive is to point out that the official Modern Zionist narrative is fabricated and this fabrication is virtually unchallenged. Much of evangelical Christendom considers it anathema to even question the official Modern Israeli narrative. I remember very clearly when I first heard of even a hint of this narrative being questioned and challenged. I thought the person who did this probably had a demon problem. Who dare besmirch the apple of God's eye! I was actually grieved in my spirit. I have always asked God to show me the truth of a matter. Sometimes the truth is not easy to accept and especially when it goes against what we believe is the truth concerning something as important as Levant eschatology.

I don't bother myself with conspiracy theories. To me they are a waste of precious time. I do seek out verifiable documented facts. Prior to the Israeli, U.S. and Great Britain declassified documents relating to actions concerning Modern Israel before, during and after 1948 it was virtually impossible for Westerners to gain information from the MSM that was not on board with the official narrative. We had no reason to doubt it.
Since that time there is official verifiable documentation that shows we have been lied to. Will this information be helpful or fruitful? Are my posts just to tickle ears with shock and awe? I truly hope not.
I believe strongly that a lie will never bear fruit. God specifically said in Holy Scripture that He hates the sowing of strife among the brethren. If I am doing this then I am cursed.

Corrie ten Boom is my family's favorite 20th century heroine of the faith. I mentioned before that I was honored to visit the house she grew up in. I visited on four separate occasions. Since I have become a believer I have always loved the Jewish people. I am eternally grateful to them as God chose the Jews to bring salvation to the world. When you love someone you hate what is harmful to them. I have spent considerable time prayerfully studying all things concerning the Jewish people including Modern Israel and the Middle East. It is very clear to me Modern Zionism is a grave enemy of all and especially to the Jewish people. It is a monster who does not play well with others and freaks out when brought into question. It is a bully in the Holy Land, in the U.S. capitol and all Crown colonies. It claims to be the spokesman for all things Jewish and for Jews in the Holy Land and Diaspora.

Much information that is unsavory concerning Modern Israel comes from hate groups including white supremacy groups. Most all of what they say are lies and some of these lies have an inkling of truth but that inkling becomes part of the lie as it comes from, and is disseminated via, contaminated sources. The truth needs to come from the body of Christ and her God. If you want to see your friends flee fast then question the validity of Modern Israel's official narrative. It can be a lonely path but a path that must be trekked if we desire the veil be removed from the spiritual eyes of the Jewish people.

Thank you again for your reply. It was well thought out and presented with much grace. You have no idea how much this means to me.

Blessings to all

 

[amadeus2]

Give God the glory!