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Were they right?

brakelite

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Every reformer, from the 12th to the 18th century, from Wycliffe to Luther, from Calvin to Cranmer, and dozens in between, pointed their collective fingers at Rome and proclaimed the Roman papacy as the Antichrist of prophetic scripture. Were they right? Judging by today's views, the reformation was a major mistake, and the reformers all religious radicals deceived and influenced by the times in which they lived. If they were right, then why do so few proclaim it today? If however they were wrong, then why don't we all forsake the title "protestant" (who's protesting today anyway?) and return to Rome?
 
Do you have some historical writings to support your statement that all these people "proclaimed the Roman papacy as the Antichrist of prophetic scripture"?

I am not an advocate of Protestantism, Catholicism or any other religious institution anymore but if you have any historical evidence to support your post than I'm your huckleberry.:shade:
 
Hello Brakelight.

The Roman Catholic Church is based not on scripture and the Holy Spirit.

Tradition is the bricks and mortar of which the RCC is built.

A traditional approach to Christianity is error prone.

This modern RCC is full to the brim of doctrinal error, in fact it deceives people into thinking that it is the representative of God on Earth.
 
Interesting

Curious myself on what you come up with to support your position.
This should get very interesting.
 
Do you have some historical writings to support your statement that all these people "proclaimed the Roman papacy as the Antichrist of prophetic scripture"?

I am not an advocate of Protestantism, Catholicism or any other religious institution anymore but if you have any historical evidence to support your post than I'm your huckleberry.:shade:
Hi. Because I'm a Kiwi your American colloquialism (huckleberry) goes straight over my head, but my guess is that I at least have your interest, which is the sole purpose of a brakelite, right?
I mentioned in my post that right from the time of Wycliffe (known as the morning star of the reformation) there were some who held the view that the papacy was the antichrist of prophetic scripture. A follower of Wycliffe, John Purvey, wrote a commentary on the book of Revelation, this being nearly 150 years before Luther. In 1528 Luther reprinted or republished this commentary, and inserted the following preface.

"This preface, noble reader, you may understand was written by us for this reason–that we might make known to the world that we are not the first to interpret the Papacy as the kingdom of the Antichrist. For many years prior to us, so many and so great men (whose number is large, and their memory eternal) have attempted this so clearly and openly, and that with great spirit and force, that [those] who were driven by the fury of the papal tyranny into the farthest boundaries of the earth, and suffering the most atrocious tortures, nevertheless bravely and faithfully persisted in the confession of the truth."


In a statement from the Westminster Confession of Faith, ratified by the British parliament in 1647:
"There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ: nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God."
(Phillip Schaff, The Creeds of Christendom–With a History and Critical Notes, vol. 3, pp 658, 659)

In his book, All Roads Lead to Rome, (pp205,206) Michael de Semlyen says:
"Wycliffe, Tyndale, Luther, Calvin, Cranmer; in the seventeenth century, Bunyan, the translators of the King James Bible and the men who published the Westminster and Baptist Confessions of Faith; Sir Isaac Newton, John Wesley, Whitfield, Jonathan Edwards; and more recently, Spurgeon, Bishop J. C. Ryle and Dr. Martin Lloyd-Jones; these men among countless others, all saw the office of the Papacy as the antichrist."


The vast majority of these courageous men died at the hands of the very system they were denouncing, so there can be little surprise that the power that had most to gain by their silence was that power that destroyed them, and what writings they could find. There is however many examples available of such denunciations, particularly of those more eminent scholars like Newton, Calvin, Luther Wesley and Whitfield.

The question we must ask ourselves is why? On what basis did these men make their bold claims, and why were they willing to lay down their lives rather than compromise? Also, if they were correct in their assertions, and the papacy is indeed the Antichrist, what of modern interpretations that proclaim a future individual yet to appear?
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Agree Bakelite.

"Hi. Because I'm a Kiwi your American colloquialism (huckleberry) goes straight over my head,"

Over my head too. It may mean friend but I am not sure?
 
Tombstone scene where Doc Holiday approaches Ringo pretending to be Wyatt Earp.

Ringo "I didn't think ya had it in ya"

Doc " I'm your huckleberry"

It means I'm your man or something like that.
 
Hi. Because I'm a Kiwi your American colloquialism (huckleberry) goes straight over my head, but my guess is that I at least have your interest, which is the sole purpose of a brakelite, right?
I mentioned in my post that right from the time of Wycliffe (known as the morning star of the reformation) there were some who held the view that the papacy was the antichrist of prophetic scripture. A follower of Wycliffe, John Purvey, wrote a commentary on the book of Revelation, this being nearly 150 years before Luther. In 1528 Luther reprinted or republished this commentary, and inserted the following preface.

"This preface, noble reader, you may understand was written by us for this reason–that we might make known to the world that we are not the first to interpret the Papacy as the kingdom of the Antichrist. For many years prior to us, so many and so great men (whose number is large, and their memory eternal) have attempted this so clearly and openly, and that with great spirit and force, that [those] who were driven by the fury of the papal tyranny into the farthest boundaries of the earth, and suffering the most atrocious tortures, nevertheless bravely and faithfully persisted in the confession of the truth."


In a statement from the Westminster Confession of Faith, ratified by the British parliament in 1647:
"There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ: nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God."
(Phillip Schaff, The Creeds of Christendom–With a History and Critical Notes, vol. 3, pp 658, 659)

In his book, All Roads Lead to Rome, (pp205,206) Michael de Semlyen says:
"Wycliffe, Tyndale, Luther, Calvin, Cranmer; in the seventeenth century, Bunyan, the translators of the King James Bible and the men who published the Westminster and Baptist Confessions of Faith; Sir Isaac Newton, John Wesley, Whitfield, Jonathan Edwards; and more recently, Spurgeon, Bishop J. C. Ryle and Dr. Martin Lloyd-Jones; these men among countless others, all saw the office of the Papacy as the antichrist."


The vast majority of these courageous men died at the hands of the very system they were denouncing, so there can be little surprise that the power that had most to gain by their silence was that power that destroyed them, and what writings they could find. There is however many examples available of such denunciations, particularly of those more eminent scholars like Newton, Calvin, Luther Wesley and Whitfield.

The question we must ask ourselves is why? On what basis did these men make their bold claims, and why were they willing to lay down their lives rather than compromise? Also, if they were correct in their assertions, and the papacy is indeed the Antichrist, what of modern interpretations that proclaim a future individual yet to appear?
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Do you have any historical writings other than The Westminster Confessions Of Faith?

Before we continue, can you clarify your position? Are you Reformist, Ecumenicist, or Catholic?
 
Do you have any historical writings other than The Westminster Confessions Of Faith?

Before we continue, can you clarify your position? Are you Reformist, Ecumenicist, or Catholic?
Raised Catholic, believe ecumenism is now forming Babylon the Great, and do not believe the reformation is finished. I pray I am part of the latter group.

I am short of time to fellowship here, so can only write this short note...will cover the first part of your question as soon as I can, so please don't do a haka because I'm not replying fully.:wink:
 
"Hi. Because I'm a Kiwi your American colloquialism (huckleberry) goes straight over my head,"

Over my head too. It may mean friend but I am not sure?
Hi Cuz, for us down under isn't everything over our head????
 
Just to clarify something for Jiggy....by reformation I do not mean that I believe the RCC can be reformed. The papal system is totally beyond any kind of reformation, it's destiny is ultimately to be destroyed. By reformation I refer to individual Christians throughout all faith lines....God has people even in the RCC, that is why He says "come out of her My people". They are true Christians, living up to what light they have, but they are Christians not because of Catholic teachings, tradition, history or reputation, but despite all of those things.

Now, some quotes from some individual reformers.

Martin Luther (1483-1546) (Lutheran): "Luther ... proved, by the revelations of Daniel and St. John,by the epistles of St. Paul, St. Peter, and St. Jude, that the reign of Antichrist, predicted and described in the Bible, was the Papacy ... And all the people did say, Amen! A holy terror seized their souls. It was Antichrist whom they beheld seated on the pontifical throne. This new idea, which derived greater strength from the prophetic descriptions launched forth by Luther into the midst of his contemporaries, inflicted the most terrible blow on Rome." Taken from J. H. Merle D'Aubigne's History of the
Reformation of the Sixteen Century, book vi, chapter xii, p. 215.

John Calvin (1509-1564) (Presbyterian): "Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt... I shall briefly show that (Paul's words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy." Taken from Institutes of the Christian Religion, by John Calvin.

(I may write a little on this myself later)

John Knox (1505-1572) (Scotch Presbyterian): John Knox sought to counteract "that tyranny which
the pope himself has for so many ages exercised over the church." As with Luther, he finally concluded
that the Papacy was "the very antichrist, and son of perdition, of whom Paul speaks."
The Zurich Letters, by John Knox, pg. 199.

Thomas Cranmer (1489-1556) (Anglican): "Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of antichrist,
and the pope to be very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many other scriptures, old writers,
and strong reasons." (Referring to prophecies in Revelation and Daniel.) Works by Cranmer, Vol. 1,
pp. 6-7.

John Wesley (1703-1791) (Methodist): Speaking of the Papacy, John Wesley wrote, "He is in an
emphatical sense, the Man of Sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too,
properly styled the Son of Perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his
opposers and followers... He it is...that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is
worshipped...claiming the highest power, and highest honour...claiming the prerogatives which belong
to God alone." Antichrist and His Ten Kingdoms, by John Wesley, pg. 110.
 
Why?

For what reasons did the reformers risk life and limb, (literally), in their damning accusations against the church which raised them? Nearly all the reformers were priests, with no intentions of forming new churches, but reforming the one they loved and held dear. Yet here they are accusing the very institution which educated and confirmed them in their faith, of being the dreaded Antichrist of prophetic scripture. Why?

Was it revenge for being excommunicated? No, they were excommunicated for the most part because of the accusations. Was it the worst insult they could come up with because of a personal grudge? Hardly. Or perhaps, as this author believes and will expand on later, was it because they were serious students of the Bible and saw unmistakably the fulfilment of the many prophecies regarding Antichrist being played out perfectly before their very eyes?

Are you aware that there is more detail concerning the character and nature of this entity than any other in the entire scriptures apart from Jesus Himself? Even Satan doesn't get that much press, yet God has seen fit to describe the Antichrist with accuracy and detail no other earthly entity receives. In His love, God earnestly desires that every man, woman, and child on the planet makes no mistake regarding the identity of Antichrist. Antichrist poses such a threat that God has given us more than ample warning and information as to who or what this entity is. Yet today the majority of Christendom completely ignores the very heroes of our faith and the godly men and women of recent history who died as a result of their testimony, and look to the future for some mythical creature to fulfil their clairvoyant prognostications.

Let me lay my card on the table, and I pray everyone reading this heeds the warning. While you look to the horizon for a battleship to appear with all guns blazing against Christianity and named "Antichrist", look behind you. There is a 'friend' who kisses you as Judas kissed Christ and will run you over like a runaway train lest you kneel before her.
 
Let me lay my card on the table, and I pray everyone reading this heeds the warning. While you look to the horizon for a battleship to appear with all guns blazing against Christianity and named "Antichrist", look behind you. There is a 'friend' who kisses you as Judas kissed Christ and will run you over like a runaway train lest you kneel before her.

I was wondering where you were going with this. Well, led and well, said. Thank-you brother.
 
The Restrainer...and the Restrained

2 Thess. 2:1 ¶ Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 ¶ Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.....

Authors note: this bolded portion is commonly referred to as “the restrainer”, that is, he who with-holds the development, establishment, or appearing of the Antichrist. The modern understanding of these verses, particularly in the futurist paradigm, is that the restrainer is in fact the Holy Spirit. The following evidence however should dispel such thoughts, and reveal the true facts


.....7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Nearly all commentators are unanimous That the 'restariner', so called, was not named by Paul because it was too dangerous. He had already spoken in person to the Thessalonian church on the matter, so they knew who Paul was writing about...the very power that if it had read that letter, would take no little umbrage to being informed that they would soon be removed from power and another rise up in their stead. The 'restrainer' of course being pagan Rome.

Not a few of the early church fathers wrote on this subject, and all agreed that Rome was the one eluded to in Paul's letter. Let me quote one or three.


Tertullian (160-240)
“‘For the mystery of iniquity doth already work; only he who now hinders must hinder, until he be taken out of the way.’ What obstacle is there but the Roman state, the falling away of which, by being scattered into ten kingdoms, shall introduce Antichrist upon (its
own ruins)? ‘And then shall be revealed the wicked one.”

“On the Resurrection of the Flesh,” chapter 24; Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. III, p. 563



There is some debate as to whether the ‘falling away’ referred to here is in reference to the empire, or the church. Some say one, some the other, while some would contend that it can apply equally to both. This author contends that the falling away [spoken of by Paul in 2 Thess. 2:3] is in reference to the church. The falling away transpired when she aspired to political power at the expense of spiritual, thus committing spiritual adultery. (see Revelation 17:2; James 4:4) Either way, Tertullian was certain in his belief that the restrainer was the Roman Empire. That it was Rome itself that inhibited in some way the rise of the antichrist. This was generally accepted throughout the church at that time, and it was common for the church to pray to God that He would keep the Roman power intact in order to keep the antichrist from coming to power in their time. Interesting also is Tertullian’s reference to the ten kingdoms that would result from the break up of Rome. This is a direct reference to Daniel 7 and the ten horns that would grow from the 4th beast, Rome. The Antichrist, according to Bible scholars, was the 11th horn. Tertullian was using the historicist method of prophetic interpretation, that method which viewed prophecy as an historical unfolding throughout history from the time the prophecy was first given, and culminating at the second coming. This is significant when understanding Paul’s letter, because Paul is clear that the Antichrist would appear as soon as Rome moves aside, and that very same Antichrist would still be there to be judged at the second coming. Not futurist, not preterist, but a historicist approach, just like Tertullian.)


Elsewhere, Tertullian states:

“The very end of all things threatening dreadful woes is only retarded by the continued existence of the Roman Empire.”
(“Apology,” chapter 32; Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. III, p. 43).

Lactanctius, in the early 4th century wrote:
“The subject itself declares that the fall and ruin of the world will shortly take place; except that while the city of Rome remains, it appears that nothing of this kind is to be feared. But when that capital of the world shall have fallen, and shall have begun to be a street, which the Sibyls say shall come to pass, who can doubt that the end has now arrived to the affairs of men and the whole world? It is that city, that only, which still sustains all things.” (“The Divine Institutes,” book 7, chapter 25; Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. VII, p. 220).


Cyril of Jerusalem (318-386).

But this aforesaid Antichrist is to come when the times of the Roman empire have been fulfilled and the end of the world is drawing near. There shall rise up together ten kings of the Romans, reigning in different parts perhaps, but all about the same time; but after those, an eleventh, the Antichrist, who by his magic craft will seize upon the Roman power, and of the kings who reigned before him, "three he shall humble" and the remaining seven he shall keep in subjection to himself."
(Catechetical Lectures,” section 15, on II Thessalonians 2:4; Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, vol. VII, p. 108 [New York: The Christian Literature Company, 1895]).


Much could be said about this quote; he also is clearly linking the prophecy of Daniel to the text of Paul’s, agreeing with other eminent writers of his time that out of Rome would evolve ten kings, 3 of whom the antichrist would subdue. When the restrainer, Rome, was to be taken out of the way, and the horns of Daniel 7 arise, the antichrist would be revealed

Ambrose (died 398)
“After the falling or decay of the Roman Empire, Antichrist shall appear.”

(Quoted in, Bishop Thomas Newton, Dissertations on the Prophecies, p. 463)……

Chrysostum (died 407)
“When the Roman Empire is taken out of the way, then he [the Antichrist] shall come. And naturally. For as long as the fear of this empire lasts, no one will willingly exalt himself, but when that is dissolved, he will attack the anarchy, and endeavor to seize upon the government both of man and of God.”
Homily IV on 2 Thessalonians 2:6-9,” Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, vol. XIII, p. 389
[New York: Charles Scribner’s and Sons, 1905]…..

.....and finally Jerome (died 420)
“He that letteth is taken out of the way, and yet we do not realize that Antichrist is near.”
(Letter to Ageruchia, written about 409A. D. Letter 123, section 16; Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, vol. VI, p. 236

Jerome's testimony is interesting, because from his perspective, he had seen and witnessed the fall of Rome, but was yet to see the rise of Antichrist. The reason is that history had not yet revealed who the Antichrist actually was, despite the early beginnings of the church of Rome at that time. The 3 nations had yet to be vanquished: It was this event that would definitively prove the Antichrist's identity.

I think it would be a good time to quote a Catholic source, the eminent historian Cardinal Manning.


“Now the abandonment of Rome was the liberation of the pontiffs. Whatsoever claims to obedience the emperors may have made, and whatsoever compliance the Pontiff may have yielded, the whole previous relation, anomalous, and annulled again and again by the vices and outrages of the emperors, was finally dissolved by a higher power. The providence of God permitted a succession of irruptions, Gothic, Lombard, and Hungarian, to desolate Italy, and to efface from it every remnant of the empire.
The pontiffs found themselves alone, the sole fountains of order, peace, law, and safety. And from the hour of this providential liberation, when, by a divine intervention, the chains fell off from the hands of the successor of St. Peter, as once before from his own, no sovereign has ever reigned in Rome except the Vicar of Jesus Christ.”
(Henry Edward Manning, The Temporal Power of The Vicar of Jesus Christ, Preface, pp. xxviii, xxix. London: Burns and Lambert, 1862).

Manning has clearly given an excellent summary of history which directly correlates with the prophecies of Daniel and Paul. While attributing the fall of Rome to God and the rise of the papacy to Him also, Manning seems oblivious to the fact that he is revealing the perfect fulfilment of the prophecy of Paul and Daniel. That when Rome fell, the ten nations arose, three were subdued, and the ultimate victor was the papacy! It was the papacy itself that the empire of Rome was restraining. It was the papacy that arose after the establishment of the ten horns. It was the papacy that had a major role in the subjugation of the 3 horns because being Arian in belief they were directly opposed to the rule of the pontiffs. It will be the papacy that will still be here at the second coming, when Paul says she will be destroyed by the “brightness of His coming”. Therefore it is the papacy which perfectly fulfils the criteria demanded of it in order to be identified as the Antichrist. And that my friends are precisely the reasons all non-Roman Bible commentators from the time of the 6th century on were almost unanimous in identifying the papacy as the man of sin. The power who entered the church (the temple of God) and by claiming the power to forgive sin, and shut out of heaven whom he will, and claiming universal spiritual and temporal authority over all the earth, thus claiming the prerogatives of God, “opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.”
 
How do you interpret Revelations chapters 17,18?
Hi David, sorry it has taken me so long to reply; Revelation 17,18 depiction of a woman riding a beast is very interesting.

My view is that women in prophetic scripture represent the church. In Revelation 12 the chaste and pure woman depicted there represents God's people, both in the old (waiting for their Messiah) and new testaments.
The ***** is an apostate church, which I am convinced is the RCC. She is a mother church who has daughters, the protestant churches. They were not in the beginning harlots, but when returning to Rome through ecumenism, they reveal a change in the loyalties.

The beast is the civil power that the RCC uses to sustain her institutions. She controls the reins of the civil power, the civil power supports her. The RCC has always been a church/state union....as were all the pagan religions (Babylon, Greece, Meda/Persia, and Rome from which she inherited their power and character.
Rev. 13 says the dragon (Rome and Satan) gave the beast his seat, power, and much authority. God willing I will write on Revelation 13 in more detail later.
 
Hi David, sorry it has taken me so long to reply; Revelation 17,18 depiction of a woman riding a beast is very interesting.

My view is that women in prophetic scripture represent the church. In Revelation 12 the chaste and pure woman depicted there represents God's people, both in the old (waiting for their Messiah) and new testaments.
The ***** is an apostate church, which I am convinced is the RCC. She is a mother church who has daughters, the protestant churches. They were not in the beginning harlots, but when returning to Rome through ecumenism, they reveal a change in the loyalties.

The beast is the civil power that the RCC uses to sustain her institutions. She controls the reins of the civil power, the civil power supports her. The RCC has always been a church/state union....as were all the pagan religions (Babylon, Greece, Meda/Persia, and Rome from which she inherited their power and character.
Rev. 13 says the dragon (Rome and Satan) gave the beast his seat, power, and much authority. God willing I will write on Revelation 13 in more detail later.
I would like to clarify the above position regarding Babylon. While I continue to believe that Babylon is a church/state union, I also believe it is more than just a political and religious entity, because as one reads the book of Revelation, and considers the effect of Babylon in the OT and also the ongoing effect of Babylonian influence in world affairs since, it is clear that Babylon is also a financial or economic power. This being the case, the RCC is not the only institution that is a part of Babylon, although I am convinced she is a predominant part, and will take the lead in future world affairs, both political and religious. However, because of the economic aspects, one must lookl elsewhere to find more complete answers to the question "who or what is Babylon"?
Our answers will be found I believe in the systems of economic power that dominate world affairs, and the powerful institutions that support those systems. Several come to mind, the most obvious I think being the Federal Reserve Bank in the States. Also involved are old banking families and dynasties that have guided and influenced international economics for centuries, particularly in Europe.
The economic aspects of Babylon are very complex, and more than what I would like to get into on this thread. That said however, it is imperative that we understand as best we can the issues regarding all aspects of Babylon if we are to be adequately prepared for what is soon to come upon this world.

The purpose of this thread was to reveal the true Antichrist, laying what I pray is a good solid foundation first, and building on that foundation with solid exegesis and prophetic understanding. So let us not jump too far ahead of ourselves.

Getting back to the OP and the question I asked there. "Were the reformers right?" I fully appreciate the consequences of your answer to that challenging question. It can potentially unravel a great many teachings of modern Christianity, and destroy a lot of pet theories and ideas. So consider your answers carefully and don't take my word for anything....check out the scriptures to see if these things are so. Be Bereans. Trust the Bible. I will continue this in a day or so by taking us back to Daniel 2 where we will add to the foundation already laid and see why the reformers and early church fathers believed as they did.

God bless.
 
Daniel 2?

No, not quite. I've changed my mind, and thought it best to fill in a few more details on a scripture already dealt with, 2 Thess. 2:1-10.

First however, let us look at the following....
Isa 14:12-14 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, that didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; and I will also sit upon the mount of congregation, in the uttermost parts of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will be like the Most High.
Here we have a revelation into the heart and mind of Satan. We are here given insight into his most cherished ambition; to be like God, therefore to receive the worship, adoration and fidelity of his subjects. If anyone has any doubt as to whether Satan still cherishes this particular ambition, one need look no further than the temptation of Christ in order to confirm this. Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the earth and their glory, if only Jesus would fall down and worship him. Imagine, the Creator worshipping His creation!!! Although Satan failed in that particular exercise, he has not failed when it comes to enticing man to worship him. I am not speaking here of those who are involved in the occult, or in Satanic rites. No, no. I am speaking of people who consider themselves Christians, those who sincerely believe and are convinced they are worshipping God. Allow me to explain.

Satan already has the fidelity and loyalty of those in the world. The church however is another story. The church is the particular focus of the arch deceiver, especially in these last days.

Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Satan can not enter the church of course and introduce himself and make a polite request that the congregation worship him. He knows that will not work; we know that will not work; such an attempt would be met with a less than favourable response. Therefore, in order to gain the advantage over those who believe in God, he must use deception. The apostle Paul alluded to this very thing when he wrote:

2 Thess. 2:3-10. Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the
temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that when I was with you, I told you of these things? And now ye know what with-holdeth, that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work; only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the Spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming.
Reading to this point, and comparing these verses with the one quoted from Isaiah above, one would be forgiven for thinking that Satan has competition. Someone else vying for the top spot adoration of man. But let us read further;…..

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

“Whose coming is after the working of Satan!!?”
Not competition, but his own child! Here is Satan’s baby. Here is that creation of his which enters the church (the temple of God is the church in the NT) and in his place accepts man’s worship by proclaiming himself God, but it is in fact Satan who receives the ultimate glory.

Satan could not himself enter the church, but he could very easily use someone else to do that for him, and through him, receive the worship he desires. By misrepresenting God, and introducing a counterfeit God and a counterfeit religion to worship that God, Satan has deceived millions. Allow me to make a point regarding deception, using counterfeit money as an example. People are not deceived into believing that it is acceptable in the eyes of the authorities to use counterfeit money. The deception operates by way of blinding the people that it is a counterfeit. It is fake, but they believe it to be real. It is the same with religion. Satan would deceive very few into thinking that it is acceptable to God for man to worship Satan. But he has had resounding success in deceiving many into thinking and believing they are worshipping God, when in fact they are worshipping Satan. (See Revelation 13:4)

How does this work? Jesus explained it very clearly throughout His ministry, warning us repeatedly of false Christs and false prophets. Important to notice that if there be a false Christ then his followers must be false Christians. The expression ‘antichrist’ means that precisely; “one who stands in the place of Christ”. Therefore the followers of antichrist must also be professing Christians, the antichrist being the counterfeit of the true Christ, and his followers deceived into believing they are worshipping the true.

Jesus alluded to this very thing here;

Matt. 15:9. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men.

Notice here that Jesus was not saying these people were not worshipping, they were just not worshipping Him!

Most would be also familiar with the following;
Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto Me Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.
Now if Jesus didn’t know them, it would be fairly safe to conclude that they didn’t know Him. They were doing all manner of religious stuff, including one would presume worship, but it certainly wasn’t Jesus they were worshipping, even though they believed it was, and when they came face to face with Him, called Him Lord!!!!
So who was it they were worshipping? Let us look at

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey…

According to this text, we are servants to whoever we obey. Regardless of our profession, it is in our acts that we define who we worship. As Jesus said, in vain do they worship Him, when they obey the commandments of men which override the commandments and doctrines of God. And later, as we just saw, only those who do the will of the Father will be entering the kingdom of heaven. How eternally important is doctrine! How essential it is to understand truth!!! How critical it is that we be absolutely assured that what teachings we follow are based on sound Biblical truth rather than the teachings, interpretations, or traditions of man.
Doctrine is an integral part of worship. Jesus is here telling us that the creator of the doctrine is the object of our worship, regardless of the intent, sincere or otherwise, of the worshipper. It is through false doctrine that Satan has deceived millions into believing they are worshipping God when in fact they are worshipping him. It is through false teaching- doctrines that are the invention of Satan and taught by man, that Satan has established his counterfeit God, and his counterfeit religion of worshipping that god.
The book of Revelation reveals this to us clearly.
The true things of God have Satanic counterparts. There is a false trinity; the dragon, sea-beast (antichrist) and false prophet. This false trinity has a false message (Revel 16:13) – a counterfeit of the true 3 angels messages, the evrlasting gospel, of Revel. 14:6-12. The false trinity is associated with a false city, Babylon. This city, like the New Jerusalem, has a river, and is called ‘great’. (18:10). The antichrist himself is a counterfeit Christ. Jesus proclaimed His threefold ministry in Matthew 12:6,41,42. He proclaimed Himself as the ultimate Priest, Prophet, and King, and rightly so. However, there is an entity living upon the earth as we speak who also claims, falsely, these very same prerogatives, and claims them to be his universal right. By claiming to be the sole arbiter and interpreter of scripture, by claiming the power to forgive sin, by claiming universal authority in religious matters, (thus subverting Christ’s ministry of High priest); by claiming the power to change God’s times and laws,and claiming the sole right to speak upon the earth as God’s representative, and claiming the right to judge who does or does not enter the kingdom of God, (thus subverting role as Prophet), by claiming the right and seeking secular authority over all the earth,(thus subverting Christ’s role as King) the Catholic Church has indeed “opposed and exalted himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he as God sits in the temple of God, (the church), showing himself that he is God.”
The messages themselves also have parallels. Both the true and the false are designed to gather people together to their makers; the false to Satan,(Revel. 16:14), the true to Jesus (Revel. 14:7). Both are also designed to go to all mankind (Revel 14:6; 16:14.) It is no coincidence that the true message, that of Revel. 14:6-12, is focused on worshipping God, the Creator of all things. Right throughout the book of Revelation, we are confronted by worship. In particular we see in Rev. 13 several references to the deceptive practices of the antichrist and the false prophet, through whom Satan deceives the whole world, resulting in false worship. In contrast, the true worshippers are described as those who keep God’s commandments. (Revel. 12: 17; 14:12.) See how neatly all this falls in with Jesus declaration that those who enter heaven must be obeying God, doing the will of the Father. Elsewhere Jesus said “If ye love Me, keep My commandments.”
With this in mind, and remembering Romans 6:16, the big question is, and the one we must all ask ourselves if we are to have any assurance of eternal life, is, whose commandments are they which I am surrendered to? Who am I obeying? Many hold the word of God as the authority in religious matters. Others, a combination of scripture and tradition, and others, the church. Many churches today don’t even teach doctrine any more, as they think because it tends to divide, then they must avoid it. Mega churches have been built on this premise. If they don’t study doctrine however how can they discern the real from the false? Doctrine matters. Our eternal destiny hinges on our correct understanding of Biblical truth. Of course the RCC teaches that they have the inherent right to decide what true doctrine is and what is false, by referring to the traditions handed down from the church fathers. Many of those traditions however, are in direct contradiction to the revealed word of God as shown in scripture. Truth is progressive. It builds on foundations already established, but nowhere must it contradict what God has previously been pleased to reveal to His people through His word. An example of one surrendering to false teaching and suffering as a result is found in 1 Kings 13:1-34. Believing the lie brought to him by a false prophet did not excuse the unnamed man of God from Judea for his disobedience.
The teachings of churches, ecclesiastical institutions such as seminaries and Bible colleges, or church councils be they great or small, are valid only in as much as they agree with scripture. All else is vain.

The reformers were discovering truths hidden and obscured for centuries by the church. Being progressive, truth took some time to come to the light. Several hundred years in fact, and several denominations later. Sadly, the later denominations denounced the new teachings that the Holy Spirit was bringing to light, and the churches that were founded on the reformers stagnated and never grew. Today, the reformation goes on. We must always be ready and willing to receive new light regarding truth, but only inasmuch as it agrees with scripture.

More later. God bless.
 
Freedom of Concsience.

Religious freedom was one of the most recent Biblical principle/truths that God brought to light through His word. This however did not take place during what is commonly held to be the reformation period, but far more recently in the United Staes of America. The early American pioneers did not understand religious freedom. Although having escaped papal, and/or protestant tyranny (yes, both sides persecuted their enemies) in Europe, the early church fathers in the new world in seeking freedom for themselves, were not so keen on extending that freedom to others. The early Sunday blue laws were a prime example of this, where the civil power was used to enforce religious laws. Many were fined, jailed, even whipped in some cases for not attending church on Sunday, or for working on that day.
I am not particularly well versed in American history, but I think it was the founder of Rhode Isalnd (forget his name) who first truly attempted to establish true liberty of conscience in that land. Religious freedom is now taken for granted. Unfortunately, Revelation 13 informs us that that will not endure for long. Cherish it while you can, use it to the uttermost for sharing the gospel, for the time is coming when the beast, the false prophet, and the dragon will be united in establishing a global religious counterfeit "Christian" system and they will cause all
whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life to submit to their particular brand of worship. There will only be two sides to choose from. No-one is the middle, and no atheists.

There's a couple of more things I'd like to note from the passage from 2 Thess. First, the reference to the "son of perdition" (2 Thess. 2:3). Only in one other place is there such a title used, and that is in direct reference to Judas (John 17:12).. Now it is interesting that Paul is here comparing the character of Antichrist to that of Judas. Judas was a traitor. He was an insider who who professed loyalty to the truth, did all the right religious stuff, hung with the right crowd (for the most part), was utterly sincere in his beliefs, but throughout the whole span of his relationship with the Lord, did not know Him!!! Now the same characteristics are not attributed to the Antichrist in modern thinking, yet this is precisely what Paul was suggesting. Antichrist therefore is a religious, even Christian, entity. One that professes the truth, says all the right things, does a heap of good stuff, gives to the poor etc, but bottom line is it is bereft of truth. It is a counterfiet. Like Judas, looks like, sounds like, the real thing. Deception folks. What Jesus and Paul warned us repeatedly of throughout scripture. Deception. False prophets, false Christs.

The second thing to note from the 2 Thess passage is the fact that Paul tells us that this entity will be destroyed at the second coming. (2 Thess. 2:8) So whatever it is, comes to power immediately after pagan Rome falls, and endures right up to the time of the second coming!!!
 
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